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[dantares83]

I am wondering did anyone sympathise with her near the end.. b4 I met her, I tot she is gonna be a total b**** but when I saw her relative sad face and explanation (when she is making u to choose), I had just a tiny winy bit of sympathy for her (even though I am a pro-mager since Origins)...

i mean she was defintely corrupted by her beliefs (and her own experience) and of course, the lyrium idol did no help... but I can see why she thinks mages r dangerous n blah blah blah... but then no matter, still cannot support a Hitler like character even though I was tempted to support the templars after what Anders did...

Modifié par dantares83, 24 mars 2011 - 01:05 .

[Vhalkyrie]

Sympathize? Not really. But I found my second playthrough easier to side with the templars after learning Orsino was not quite the guy I thought he was by enabling Quentin's 'research', which lead to killing mother, then using the research to become the Harvester himself. Never been able to look at him the same again.

I have been anti blood mage since Origins, so I certainly agreed with her cause, just disagreed with her methods. I executed everyone in the game involved with blood magic, and spared mages who willingly returned to the circle without using blood magic. I spared the mages at the end who surrendered without resorting to blood magic, despite Meredith's wishes.

[Rhostadt]

When I first encountered her at the end of Act II and the beginning of Act III, I respected her more than I thought I would; it was the respect for an opponent, and the strength of her character's portrayal. I might have sympathized with her views and position, if she had sought to hold Anders accountable for his actions. But she merely used it as an excuse to pursue her own agenda, not seek justice and protect the city. So, as a religious person myself, I find her to represent all the worst aspects of organized religion, both presently and historically. She perverts her responsibilities and abuses her power in order to fuel her selfish hatreds.

[rwscissors702]

What with all the blood mages and demons you have to fight to get there I'm with her until she decides I need to die too. My first play through I sided with the mages and felt dirty when Orsino turned to blood magic.

[Vhalkyrie]

rwscissors702 wrote...

What with all the blood mages and demons you have to fight to get there I'm with her until she decides I need to die too. My first play through I sided with the mages and felt dirty when Orsino turned to blood magic.

Me too!  My first playthrough I was pro-mage all the way up to Orsino.  I expected to be able to talk him down and have him join me against Meredith.  But he dropped his own crazy bomb.

[HolyJellyfish]

I quite like Meredith, actually. Up until the whole ridiculous "OMG LYRIUM IDOL!" plot twist, which I didn't particularly care for.

But she is a very tragic character.

[wowpwnslol]

Meredith should have been a romance. I imagine she would be very feisty in bed.

[Spatchmo]

I liked Meredith as a character, and her voice actress did a fantastic job, but by the time we actually meet her for the first time she has already been tainted by the idol and by the end of the game she is full blown crazy. So no, I never sympathized with her. Maybe if we would have been able to meet her before she gets her light saber, though she was apparently pretty crazy to begin with.

[Raiil]

I loved Meredith. As someone totally pro-mage, she was an amazing nemesis. I pitied her, because between the idol and the pressure, she cracked. She truly, wholly believed she was doing the right thing and until the end, I don't think she hated mages. She was simply devoted to duty.

[hoorayforicecream]

If you side with Meredith at the beginning of Act 3, you actually get an opportunity to learn why she's so axe-crazy (spoilers follow).

Her sister was a mage, and she and her family tried to keep her sister away from the circle for all the reasons that you're familiar with. Everything was fine until her sister became demon possessed and killed the rest of her family along with another 70 innocent people before the templars were able to put her down.

Meredith has since been dealing with a gigantic case of PTSD, which the Lyrium Idol and its effects have been able to cultivate into a giant crusade.

[Dave of Canada]

Too bad not a lot of people hear her sister story or else you'd see a lot more people feel sorry for Meredith, it's unfortunate everybody is mage-centric and doesn't give her a chance.

[Eveangaline]

I don't like the templars, but I understand that the influence of the idol probably made her very different than normally, and that it was possible that all the crap the templars pulled under her wasn't always her fault (She even rejected the tranquil solution if I recall).

Still, by the end she's clearly gone mad and the idol was wreaking havoc with her mind, not a good person to be in power, and she was not willing to give the power up.

[ThatDancingTurian]

One thing I really dislike is that you keep hearing everyone say she's a monster throughout the entire game but we're never shown any hints at all of her acting like a monster, just a bunch of mages resorting to blood magic and hearsay. I tired of the endless comments about her being mad and evil as opposed to actually seeing any of it for myself until the very end.

I never felt like all of the blood mages were reason enough to hate her ("Oh, but Meredith led us to this!"), people need to take responsibility for themselves and every time I tried to give them an out they still chose blood magic.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 24 mars 2011 - 02:41 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

OP......not in the least, she can DIAF, before I have to scrap with 'her'.

[Loc'n'lol]

She's sort of a well-intentioned extremist.
Well, until you realize she's actually bat**** insane.

[HyperLimited]

No. She was a crazy b**** high on lyrium that needed a good stabbing. 

[Kilshrek]

A person with a penchant for self-fulfilling prophecy? Not very much. Crazy lady went on a power trip and made half the mages in Kirkwall tranquil for sneezing. And opened the way for abuse by such creatures like Ser Alrik. Couldn't kill her soon enough. Orsino was no better in the end but Meredith, like Isabela, got the ball rolling.

[hoorayforicecream]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

One thing I really dislike is that you keep hearing everyone say she's a monster throughout the entire game but we're never shown any hints at all of her acting like a monster, just a bunch of mages resorting to blood magic and hearsay. I tired of the endless comments about her being mad and evil as opposed to actually seeing any of it for myself until the very end.

I never felt like all of the blood mages were reason enough to hate her ("Oh, but Meredith led us to this!"), people need to take responsibility for themselves and every time I tried to give them an out they still chose blood magic.

I get the feeling this is intentional. The majority of people who say that Meredith is a monster are mages... but if you look at the mages you deal with, many of them turn to the blood magic and demons pretty quickly. I got the feeling that she wasn't as crazy or monstrous as they made her out to be. I think the real issue is that there were quite a few templars who were acting like bullies and miscreants for sure, and those qualities were ascribed to Meredith by association.

[dewayne31]

meredith wanted to kill my sister and later both of us. i have answer for that. Hey, meredith what do you want on your tombstone lol...sorry i have slice of pizza in my hand

[Eveangaline]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

One thing I really dislike is that you keep hearing everyone say she's a monster throughout the entire game but we're never shown any hints at all of her acting like a monster, just a bunch of mages resorting to blood magic and hearsay. I tired of the endless comments about her being mad and evil as opposed to actually seeing any of it for myself until the very end.

I never felt like all of the blood mages were reason enough to hate her ("Oh, but Meredith led us to this!"), people need to take responsibility for themselves and every time I tried to give them an out they still chose blood magic.

I get the feeling this is intentional. The majority of people who say that Meredith is a monster are mages... but if you look at the mages you deal with, many of them turn to the blood magic and demons pretty quickly. I got the feeling that she wasn't as crazy or monstrous as they made her out to be. I think the real issue is that there were quite a few templars who were acting like bullies and miscreants for sure, and those qualities were ascribed to Meredith by association.

But also consider the number of her own templars willing to turn on her. Or say she's clearly going the wrong way. I loved her as a character, but she was quite clearly going off the deep end maybe even before the idol.

[dantares83]

so why did Bioware seeks to create so much hatred even b4 we meet her... i was totally hating her even b4 i mete her..

[hoorayforicecream]

Eveangaline wrote...


But also consider the number of her own templars willing to turn on her. Or say she's clearly going the wrong way. I loved her as a character, but she was quite clearly going off the deep end maybe even before the idol.

I don't disagree, though I think that her methods were more or less ok up to when I met her in Act 2 (note: no glowy sword when Hawke meets her). Furthermore, up until the end of Act 2, she hadn't actually done anything that badly - the only templar that I remember who had real concerns about her was Thrask, and the apostates whom Thrask asked you to help were actually blood mages after all. I'll also note that any mages Hawke sends back to the circle do end up writing Hawke and letting him/her know what's going on. It only becomes scary in Act 3, once she has the glowy sword. The templars besides Thrask who betrayed her didn't do so until Act 3.

Honestly, I don't think Meredith is blameless... but I do think that the tales of her monstrosity were probably exaggerated a bit.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 24 mars 2011 - 03:24 .

[Sarah1281]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

One thing I really dislike is that you keep hearing everyone say she's a monster throughout the entire game but we're never shown any hints at all of her acting like a monster, just a bunch of mages resorting to blood magic and hearsay. I tired of the endless comments about her being mad and evil as opposed to actually seeing any of it for myself until the very end.

I never felt like all of the blood mages were reason enough to hate her ("Oh, but Meredith led us to this!"), people need to take responsibility for themselves and every time I tried to give them an out they still chose blood magic.

Well, Meredith is so damn reclusive it's hard to see anything. We do know that between Act 2 and 3 she prevents the mages from even going outside of the Gallows. We know that she was aware of Ser Alrik being nuts and did nothing to deter him even if she did turn down his plan. We know that she either allows her templars to make their own judgement calls about making mages Tranquil which is just ASKING for the power to be abused or she approved of tranquilities like Karl's where he had already been Harrowed and so it was illegal. We know that if that idiot runaway mage's father hadn't pled for his son and been noble then Meredith would have had him killed for running to a nearby tavern to drink and search for sex.

[Vhalkyrie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

One thing I really dislike is that you keep hearing everyone say she's a monster throughout the entire game but we're never shown any hints at all of her acting like a monster, just a bunch of mages resorting to blood magic and hearsay. I tired of the endless comments about her being mad and evil as opposed to actually seeing any of it for myself until the very end.

I never felt like all of the blood mages were reason enough to hate her ("Oh, but Meredith led us to this!"), people need to take responsibility for themselves and every time I tried to give them an out they still chose blood magic.

Well, Meredith is so damn reclusive it's hard to see anything. We do know that between Act 2 and 3 she prevents the mages from even going outside of the Gallows. We know that she was aware of Ser Alrik being nuts and did nothing to deter him even if she did turn down his plan. We know that she either allows her templars to make their own judgement calls about making mages Tranquil which is just ASKING for the power to be abused or she approved of tranquilities like Karl's where he had already been Harrowed and so it was illegal. We know that if that idiot runaway mage's father hadn't pled for his son and been noble then Meredith would have had him killed for running to a nearby tavern to drink and search for sex.

There is a letter to Ser Alrik that both the Divine AND Meredith rejected his proposal for the Tranquil solution.  Ser Alrik continued to do so, in a secret cave, against their orders.  No evidence whatsoever to support the claim that either looked away.  Ser Alrik was clearly very disappointed in the decision.

Also, running away from the Circle IS a crime punishable by death.  If you ever played Awakenings, that's how your Warden meets Anders.  Anders ran away from the Circle, and the Templars caught up with him in Vigil's Keep.  The Warden invoked the Right of Conscription and made Anders take the ritual.  He would have been a dead man if the Templars dragged him back to the Circle anyway, so he had no choice but to become a Grey Warden.

If Meredith was truly a monster, she would have ignored the pleas to spare the boy's life, as it was completely within the law to do so.

She actually performed several acts of mercy in Act 1 and 2.  By Act 3, she had completely descended into madness, along with everyone else.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 24 mars 2011 - 04:00 .