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[edgarbh01]

What about if the Warden is being revered as an Archdemon by the darkspawn (since he killed one and thus demonstrated he is far superior than the Old Gods) or he becomes consumed by the taint in his blood, thus making him "evil"...

I know this is nuts but I'd love to see Alistair and the others fight against that godlike hero who once protected the world, alone, as he always was in his fate. Not without that epic dramatic "touch" of having them watch as he decays and turns into an antihero (not villiain).

Personally I'd love to see the warden kick everybody's ass, lol.

And have Hawke receiving a cool decapitation move, DAO-like. (YES i HATE DA2)

DA:O FTW

[esper]

The one who the players controls doing the fight... doh.

[Storm Farron]

Hawke. no questions asked

[Icinix]

The Grey Warden.

Hawke is a kitty.

[greekmonkey95]

naughty99 wrote...

Haven't fought her yet, but Meredith looks a lot tougher than the Archdemon TBH.

The Ancient Rock Wraith was certainly much stronger than the Archdemon. 

But you are right about the Potion-Fu - DW Rogue Hawke would have to assassinate the Warden in one blow or he will never die because of the hundreds of cheap potions the Warden carries around.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA jeez... this is the funniest thing Ive heard all day. Meridith and the Rock Wraith stronger than the Archdemon?! Not a chance. You had to balista the crap out of the Archdemon. One balista shot wouldve killed Meridith and the Rock Wraith. The Archdemon would tear them up. Hawke would never stand a chance against the Archdemon even with his whole party. Plus the Archdemon has a huge horde of darkspawn. The templars stopped helping Meridith.

[jcainhaze]

Hawke should be in DA3 as a Mabari poop scooper boy.

[PrinceLionheart]

Well if the Warden is the Dalish Elf, then Hawke already massacred his clan.

[Phazor58]

Warden would win. Just all around a bigger badass.

[Heimdall]

Their power is equal, according to the law of protagonist power equicocacy I just made up.

[Aetika]

 The Warden 

[Vincent Laww]

I'm going to say the character that would most likely win in a duel is the one that garners the most sympathy.

Modifié par Vincent Laww, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:34 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Their power is equal, according to the law of protagonist power equicocacy I just made up.

And you'd be correct. This is just like those "Which Superhero's would win" debate, and basing it on feats (or in Batman's case prep time) when in reality, the fight would end by the whim of the writer.

[chunkyman]

Warden. He has the style that Hawke lacks.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The Grey Warden is a true hero ... Champion of Kirkwall just jerks around! lol

[Funkjoker]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Their power is equal, according to the law of protagonist power equicocacy I just made up.

Well, exceptions prove the rule, no? Especially in this case. Warden > else.

[The Warden is YOUR character. Hawke's not. Think about it. Even if this is untrue, the above equation still stands :-) ]

[SkittlesKat96]

We can't be 100% sure but in my personal opinion I think the Grey Warden would probably best the Champion.

I'm not anti-Hawke or anti-DA 2 but it just seems to me that the Grey Warden/HOF is way more experienced and has achieved much more than Hawke has.

I think the fight would come close though.

Also here is an additional thought: How about its just up to the player over who is better? They are the players characters (well Hawke is technically not your character but that is arguable and comes to an argument of extents) and its a role playing game so really I think it should be up to the player.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:53 .

[BillWatson08]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Well if the Warden is the Dalish Elf, then Hawke already massacred his clan.

Says who? The Dalish clan survives whenever I play it.

[SkittlesKat96]

BillWatson08 wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Well if the Warden is the Dalish Elf, then Hawke already massacred his clan.

Says who? The Dalish clan survives whenever I play it.

It is possible to massacre them though (I think I did though not by choice )

[staindgrey]

Well, my personal opinion, the two can't be properly matched up because there are so many variables behind who exactly the character is. Most want to claim the Warden is automatically stronger because he/she slayed an archdemon, but that's not a fair assessment-- he/she led an army against an archdemon. Hawke couldn't lead an army against its own people like the Warden could against a Blight, but Hawke did successfully fight off an ancient evil in the depths of the Deep Roads, the Qunari Arishok and his small army, one of the original Magisters, and, just like the Warden, a high dragon.

So, if it were a squad on squad fight, I'd give the advantage to some over the others. It'd go like this...

Morrigan > Merrill
Wynn < Anders
Zevran < Fenris
Alistair > Carver/Bethany
Leliana > Isabela
Ohgren < Varric
Sten > Aveline
Shade > Sebastion


By that count, it's Warden's team 5, Hawke's team 3. Considering the Warden has a free-willed golem and the daughter of Flemeth at his/her back, I'd take that team over Hawke's team if I were a betting man.


However, I'd want Hawke to win in a one-on-one fight. I'm simply far more attached to my Hawke than my Warden.

[Zubie]

I always felt the warden was a more skilled and experienced fighter than Hawke. Though I guess it would depend on the warden's origin a bit.

[Heimdall]

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Their power is equal, according to the law of protagonist power equicocacy I just made up.

Well, exceptions prove the rule, no? Especially in this case. Warden > else.

[The Warden is YOUR character. Hawke's not. Think about it. Even if this is untrue, the above equation still stands :-) ]

Hawke was my character.  Maybe I just created a character that fit into what Bioware was going for but I was able to role play the character I was going for.

Anyway, the Warden isn't really much more experienced.  Hawke has been racking up a pretty exotic kill list in comparison.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

The Champion of Kirkwall may exist in the past but he certainly doesn't exist when Cassandra interrogated Varric. No one knows what happen to him/her. What we see is only imaginary character based on Varric's exaggeration. There is no proof that Hawke ever kills the ancient evil in Deep Road or flip 6 feet high or explodes the hurlocks's bodies or slays the high dragon etc..The only proof we knows is Leliana ( who only acknowledge Hawke's existence in the past ) and the fact that the war already started. Varric's account cannot be taken on face value. It requires further studies and verified testimonials from various individuals. Therefore, Champion of Kirkwall vs The warden thing is silly.

[Heimdall]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The Champion of Kirkwall may exist in the past but he certainly doesn't exist when Cassandra interrogated Varric. No one knows what happen to him/her. What we see is only imaginary character based on Varric's exaggeration. There is no proof that Hawke ever kills the ancient evil in Deep Road or flip 6 feet high or explodes the hurlocks's bodies or slays the high dragon etc..The only proof we knows is Leliana ( who only acknowledge Hawke's existence in the past ) and the fact that the war already started. Varric's account cannot be taken on face value. It requires further studies and verified testimonials from various individuals. Therefore, Champion of Kirkwall vs The warden thing is silly.

Hogwash.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The Champion of Kirkwall may exist in the past but he certainly doesn't exist when Cassandra interrogated Varric. No one knows what happen to him/her. What we see is only imaginary character based on Varric's exaggeration. There is no proof that Hawke ever kills the ancient evil in Deep Road or flip 6 feet high or explodes the hurlocks's bodies or slays the high dragon etc..The only proof we knows is Leliana ( who only acknowledge Hawke's existence in the past ) and the fact that the war already started. Varric's account cannot be taken on face value. It requires further studies and verified testimonials from various individuals. Therefore, Champion of Kirkwall vs The warden thing is silly.

Hogwash.

I guess you never realize DA 2 is a story being told by unreliable third person narrator who narrates the event that happen years ago? That's too bad. 

Edit: Here's something for you to understand what unreliable mean.

Aveline: Why are you still here, Varric?
Varric: Starkhaven's too pretentious for me and Cumberland's too boring.
Aveline: You always say you hate commitment, but here you are, six years later, still at Hawke's side.
Varric: Aveline, I thought you'd have noticed by now: I lie a lot.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 18 janvier 2012 - 02:11 .

[PrinceLionheart]

easygame88 wrote...

I always felt the warden was a more skilled and experienced fighter than Hawke. Though I guess it would depend on the warden's origin a bit.

That's debatable really. Hawke has spent his/her entire life training just like some of the versions of the Warden (Hawke even joined the army if s/he was a Rogue/Warrior.)

The only advantage the Warden has on Hawke is defeating the Archdemon. That's one hell of advantage though.