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[Thehealeroftruu]

Of all the Companions in DA2, who do you feel bad for the most?

Anders:  First off, we all remember this wonderful funny, sarcastic guy from Awakening, but here in DA2 he's all sad, and not one bit of funny other than a poor memory on his cat.  He hates templars and the circle so much it drove him to blow up the chantry.  I felt really bad for him knowing he felt that strongly about it, and if you kill him, all he says is how he is proud he'll be remembered as a hero.  He's pretty delusional towards the end if you ask me, I couldn't help but feel terrible for him. I can't decide if it's Justice/Vengeance that makes him that way, or if it's just years or torment.

Fenris:  Fenris obviously had a hard past as a slave, because his anger towards his master is about the only thing that keeps him going, I'm not sure if I feel bad for him or if I'm just annoyed of him, because his first memory is getting his lyrium tattoos.  If you side with the mages, he gets mad at you and betrays you completely.  If you are a mage... he takes his anger out on you more than once. 

Merrill: It was her choice obviously, but she was pretty much exiled from her clan for trying to restore history using the eluvian, I never got far in her story to be honest, but I always felt bad that she was blinded by the Eluvian to focus on other things.  Her whole clan got killed because of her blood magic, although I do blame the Dalish for.. "Over reacting"  She lost her whole clan, and seemed pretty upset about it from what I could tell.

Sebastian:  I feel especially bad for Sebastian the most because he's been through quite a bit, yet he still loves the Maker and he rarely, if ever, complained about anything.  To start off, he was a son of the Vael's, then his whole family was murdered by the work of a desire demon.  After all of that he was fine, always in the chantry, (IMO he might have looked up to the Revered Mother as a real mother)  Then Anders had to blow up the chantry, and you witness him break down.  I felt especially bad then, especially after all that has happened to him. 



Just my thoughts on the 4 companions that I felt sympathy for while playing. (Two Playthroughs)

Your thoughts?

[Thehealeroftruu]

Oh, and I felt no sympathy for Isabella at all, not once.

[Malanek]

It would be out of Anders or Merill, both extremely tragic. Also Bethany and Carver depending on what exactly happens to them.

[Thehealeroftruu]

I feel stupid because I brought Carver along on the act one deep roads quest, so i didn't get to see his story go further, that's one of the main reasons I didn't list him or Bethany. (Why do one sibling and not the other? :-P)

[The Angry One]

It's a love/hate thing with Anders for me. His plight is sympathetic, but his solutions were outright stupid.
He was naive and foolish to merge with Justice. Maybe Justice was too, obviously both completely underestimated the danger of such a thing.
Anders presumed too much about spirits, when in the end they're exactly like demons in that they can't help what they are, and that doomed him.

[Statulos]

Sebastian? I really wanted to kick his ass and ask where his maker is now while doing so when he turned his back.

I simply cannot stand indoctrinated people.

[Thehealeroftruu]

I felt for him, maybe it was his accent that made me feel worse though :-P

[Statulos]

People who threaten people with an invasion because of a tantrum are simply ridiculous.

In fact I really like him going. Maybe the stupidity of a mage is the trigger he needed to stop being a selfish spoiled kid and take over his responsabilities.

[Thehealeroftruu]

Statulos wrote...

People who threaten people with an invasion because of a tantrum are simply ridiculous.

Dragon Age 3:

Ferelden VS Orlais.

A mabari chews a Orlesian shoe.

Orlais throws tantrum, kills dog. (We all know how much those Orlesians love their shoes)

Ferelden throws tantrum

3


2


1



WAR

[The Angry One]

Sebastian has just seen his home and his mother-figure and only "family" he had left alive go up in a fireball because of a delusional abomination.
He has the right to be angry.

Yes, he really should've taken his kingdom before then, but that's a genuine character flaw. He's torn between the life he's chosen and the responsibility forced on him.

[Camilladilla]

Sebastian's reaction at the end of the game is pretty understandable although swearing vengeance on Kirkwall is a tad ridiculous. However, I'll give Bioware props if he comes back in a later DLC and acknowledges that it was just something said in the heat of the moment, because you know, people NEVER say stupid things when they're emotionally distraught.

[Kartikeya]

Anders and Sebastian for sure. For Anders it's a long, slow, seemingly unavoidable descent into madness and desperation. He knows it's happening and has no idea how to stop it, outright says, at least if you're romancing him, that he'll end up betraying you and that everything is going to end badly, and knows full well what he's doing and that he'll almost certainly get killed by, if you played that way, either his romantic interest or someone he's trusted for six years. At that point he wants to die. If he doesn't die, then he has to live with all the consequences of what he did (which, revolution or no, will be very, very ugly).

Sebastian loses his entire family. It is, granted, a family he's been somewhat estranged from for a while, but he clearly felt for them, and is angry enough to abandon what he feels is his true calling in order to get (the irony that ends up being present in this word) justice. He finds out the entire thing was some stupid political ploy brought about by a demon and someone he thought was his mother's friend. Then he ends up making the most ominous oath in the game by swearing to protect the Grand Cleric from whatever danger may come. And completely fails at it, because a man he's been adventuring around with, or at the very least has known, for years, whom he has not turned in despite his reservations, kills her and everyone else who happened to be in there (which might have been him, as he points out) for the sole reason of pushing the Templar/Mage conflict into open war. And he does it right in front of him. AND, depending on Hawke's actions, another person he has trusted for years, who helped him get justice for his family, may very well NOT execute this person. Even if Anders is killed, Sebastian still has to live with the fact that he was, in the end, powerless to protect every single person important to him outside of Hawke's party.

[The Angry One]

Basically, we know that Sebastian loved the Grand Cleric, and we know he has a streak of irrational hot head in him (this is the same guy who fired an arrow through the notice that same Grand Cleric was holding in a fit of pique).
I don't doubt that he was making idle threats out of rage. It's not even a guarantee that anyone in Starkhaven will follow him anywhere, he's just rightfully upset.

[Thehealeroftruu]

His breakdown at the end of the game is what really got my attention towards him. His sadness was.. well it was bad.

[Kartikeya]

The Angry One wrote...

Basically, we know that Sebastian loved the Grand Cleric, and we know he has a streak of irrational hot head in him (this is the same guy who fired an arrow through the notice that same Grand Cleric was holding in a fit of pique).
I don't doubt that he was making idle threats out of rage. It's not even a guarantee that anyone in Starkhaven will follow him anywhere, he's just rightfully upset.

This is pretty much how I felt, yeah. Do I think he's going to do his best to kill Anders? That's very likely. I don't believe he actually means he's going to destroy the entire city because of him (although I would not be entirely surprised if he tries to make good on this. Rage and grief can make people do terrible things. Just look at Anders.)

[Camenae]

I hate what Anders did at the end, but before that I felt bad for him throughout the game. The man heals people for free for a "living". I'm sure we all know someone who are or are ourselves overworked and underpaid and so know how that can embitter somebody pretty quickly, and that's without the unimaginable mental strain of having a spirit or whatever inside one's head.

For me, asking Anders to move in is pretty much a charitable deed as much as anything else. I would have asked him to come live in my house before I asked those dwarves, even if I weren't in a relationship with him.

Sebastian had a pretty good life before he met Hawke. The amnesia protects Fenris from memories that are less straightforward than the pain from his lyrium markings. Isabela and Merrill as far as I'm concerned those b*tches deserve whatever they get. THEIR consciences certainly don't seem to bother them very much.

But Anders is constantly trapped in his own mind, feeling bad about things that he's responsible for and also not responsible for. I'm surprised he didn't suicide-bomb the chantry. Seemed like a fitting solution for his predicament.

[Clonedzero]

i feel bad for merril. she's not trying to be evil or bad or anything, she's trying to do good. her intentions are pure. she's just using blood magic as a tool to help her people learn more about themselves, but everyone reacts with such pure fear and hatred of her because of it.

[Fangirl17]

Anders for me. After recently listening to Anders party banter in Awakening and refreshing my mind of who Anders used to be it was heartbreaking to see what he has become. But at the same time Im furious at him for lying to Hawke, destroying any chance of compromise, and killing innocent people. He's such a tragic character and I miss the person he used to be. Im looking forward to seeing how my opinion changes of him after one of my characters romance him.

In the first part of the game I did feel bad for Fenris but by Act 3 in a friendship romance with him he seems happier,still a little grumpy but happy. Fenris doesnt depress me as much as Anders. When all of the Act 2 and early Act 3 Fenris drama is over I feel as though Hawke and Fenris has a nice,stable relationship. I guess what Im trying to say is that Fenris's character development is far less depressing than Ander's. But Im completely bias because Im a Fengirl x3 Thats how the Fenris in my game turned out,in someone else's Fenris could still hate everything and betray you at the end Im guessing.Hmm now Im wondering how much Hawke influences the companions..

[ComeOnEA]

In my last playthrough Anders killed that innocent mage that we saved from the templars and as a result I kicked him out the party. Then he returns years later and kills even more innocent people in the Chantry. Dude is a murderer, damn him.

I also can't feel sorry for Merrill, I told that idiot over and over, stop hanging with them demons, stop playing with that mirror its evil. So when she has to stab the keeper, she wanted to feel all sad, I wasnt having it, you wouldnt listen to anyone and this is the result, live with it.

Bethany on the deep roads without Anders is the most sympathetic imo.I figured I protected you from everything with all these battles we've been through I can keep you safe. I failed her.

I didnt know that I can save her life on my first playthrough. Im gonna replay that character and save her.

Modifié par ComeOnEA, 24 mars 2011 - 06:11 .

[Statulos]

The Angry One wrote...

Basically, we know that Sebastian
loved the Grand Cleric, and we know he has a streak of irrational hot
head in him (this is the same guy who fired an arrow through the notice
that same Grand Cleric was holding in a fit of pique).
I don't doubt
that he was making idle threats out of rage. It's not even a guarantee
that anyone in Starkhaven will follow him anywhere, he's just rightfully
upset.

Sure, but threatening to assault a whole city because the particular perpetrator of a crime lives there sounds like an SS worth tactic.

Modifié par Statulos, 24 mars 2011 - 06:16 .

[Thehealeroftruu]

ComeOnEA wrote...

In my last playthrough Anders killed that innocent mage that we saved from the templars and as a result I kicked him out the party. Then he returns years later and kills even more innocent people in the Chantry. Dude is a murderer, damn him.

I also can't feel sorry for Merrill, I told that idiot over and over, stop hanging with them demons, stop playing with that mirror its evil. So when she has to stab the keeper, she wanted to feel all sad, I wasnt having it, you wouldnt listen to anyone and this is the result, live with it.

Bethany on the deep roads without Anders is the most sympathetic imo.I figured I protected you from everything with all these battles we've been through I can keep you safe. I failed her.

I didnt know that I can save her life on my first playthrough. Im gonna replay that character and save her.

I wonder how Justice, assuming he was still... Justice (like in awakening) would have felt with all anders did.  There were times in awakening that I felt Justice could go on a rampage killing innocents just so he could get justice on one person.  Maybe that was just me though

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

For mother-what-was-her-name, who experienced Indiana Jones situation but did't find a fridge to hide in.

[nicodeemus327]

Thehealeroftruu wrote...

ComeOnEA wrote...

In my last playthrough Anders killed that innocent mage that we saved from the templars and as a result I kicked him out the party. Then he returns years later and kills even more innocent people in the Chantry. Dude is a murderer, damn him.

I also can't feel sorry for Merrill, I told that idiot over and over, stop hanging with them demons, stop playing with that mirror its evil. So when she has to stab the keeper, she wanted to feel all sad, I wasnt having it, you wouldnt listen to anyone and this is the result, live with it.

Bethany on the deep roads without Anders is the most sympathetic imo.I figured I protected you from everything with all these battles we've been through I can keep you safe. I failed her.

I didnt know that I can save her life on my first playthrough. Im gonna replay that character and save her.

I wonder how Justice, assuming he was still... Justice (like in awakening) would have felt with all anders did.  There were times in awakening that I felt Justice could go on a rampage killing innocents just so he could get justice on one person.  Maybe that was just me though

I totally felt that way about Justice in Awakening too. He was an interesting character. He gave the fade creatures a lot of depth.

It seems to work from what I understand of fade creatures. They are very single minded and focus on a single emotion to the extent of all else. It's why I think the new anders/justice character is so interesting. It's really two people in one.

Modifié par nicodeemus327, 24 mars 2011 - 08:58 .

[Thehealeroftruu]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

For mother-what-was-her-name, who experienced Indiana Jones situation but did't find a fridge to hide in.

Haha, probably one of the first sentences on these forums that actually made me laugh in real life.

[Lianaar]

The Grand Cleric: she believed that her role is not to take a political stance, but to sooth the people and ensure peace as long as possible. She was not rush to decide and was on the side of something she saw as truth after listening to all parties. She had common sense, she used her head for more then linking her ears together. She was there for people, none was too unimportant for her to talk with. Did she make mistakes? Yeah, but still, she was a voice of reason and died because she was not willing to act on emotion.

Hawke, yes, I know this is selfish, but just like Flemeth, I had all the sympathy for my Hawke, that I could relate to. I felt sorry for 'myself' Losing a family, having more enemies then you can count and an obligation of the Champion you didn't necessarily wanted and every other and his next wanted you to solve their issues, and you had to because it affected you too. At times she just wanted to sit down next to the Grand Cleric and proclaim: these people are just idiots.

Fenris: for he couldn't cope with freedom. The chains were not on his hand, but on his mind. If he is capable to remove them? Who knows.

Keeper: she let her fears rule over her and decide the fate of her clan.

Anders: for he died in act 2. Whatever remained was no longer him. His death was a slow agony. It was the opposite of making tranquil, but he lost all the same.

Varrik: he did so much for people, and he got back quite little actually.

The adopted kids of the blood mage fugitive. Keldon and his sister. Cullan (he always know Meredith is sick, but he didn't know how he can step up and when, but at least he wasn't nuked, right?)