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[Icy Magebane]

Of the companions, the only one I felt any sympathy for was Fenris. The rest of them didn't seem to have any serious problems.

[Zan Mura]

I have a weak spot for strong but slightly nerdy girls like Merrill, considering my gf is one. Still, Anders, while annoying as a person, really did a great and powerful thing when he blew up the Chantry building. Fenris' story isn't really touching to me, though I do respect his strength for surviving all that. The fact that he's a beast in combat, being a 2h and all, also adds to his believability as a character. As for Sebastian, I've no clue. Steam didn't get the collector deal so no Sebastian for me.

Overall though, I must go with Merrill. She's a good person, trying to do a good thing. Her social awkwardness and sense of personal focus combined with the necessity of survival drove her into blood magic, yet she never succumbs to the demon nor hurts anyone because of it. And yet, simply because of this choice, and because she has great respect for old lore and knowledge even where others would shut their eyes and scream blasphemy while raising their swords, everyone turns against her. Nobody tries to support her, to understand her, to help her. Nobody but the Keeper. Everyone just fears her, hates her, abuses her verbally and mentally. Eventually her entire tribe attacks her even. Without the Keeper and later without Hawke, Merrill would have been killed by her tribe or others long before you even got to meet her.

My first playthrough was with a goodie Hawke, where I deliberately loaded after the Keeper's death and took the blame for it, to avoid the bloodshed. The second time when I didn't take the blame, yet responded in a completely peaceful way with no intent towards violence, her village slaughtered itself by attacking her.

Some might argue that was bad and unrealistic storytelling. Me, I don't care. That thing and Merrill's reaction after it put the final nail on the coffin for me, making me personally (not my Hawke, but me, as myself) sick and tired of the Dalish hypocricy and arrogance in the DA universe for good, and having pretty much that same reaction about Fenris and Anders' treatment of her as well.

So yes, I feel worst for Merrill. She might have done wrong, she might have acted stupidly. But she sure as hell deserved better than how she was treated by all those zealous, warmongering trash.

[Thehealeroftruu]

I agree, it makes me wonder wtf the dalish were saying when she was gone. They all treated her like darkspawn.

[AlexXIV]

I couldn't handle Fenris' hardass attitude. Slave or not. If I allow any hardass in the game then it is my pc.

I felt bad for Anders. For some reason I like him more than in DA:A but his whole situation is really sad.

I don't feel too bad for Merrill because frankly, my Hawke taking care of her. I felt bad enough though that I can't romance anyone else since I can't have her being on her own.

Sebastian is the most stupid and self-righteous character I ever had as a companion. He can rot somewhere for all I care.

[Camenae]

AlexXIV wrote...

I felt bad for Anders. For some reason I like him more than in DA:A but his whole situation is really sad.

I agree.  Not saying that excuses what he does because it doesn't, but I still feel bad for him.  Interning for the district attorney's office, I see loads of people who have horrific pasts.  We still do our jobs, but that doesn't mean I can't  feel bad for people who've had lives with horrors I can't even imagine.

[Corto81]

I can only speak for my first playthrough, as that's the only time I listened to every single dialogue (bit too much listening to everything the 3rd time through):

Anders - completely changed from Awakening, completely disliked him, killed him after he went bananas on the Chantry... I felt it was a forced change from Awakenings and didn't like it at all.

Isabela - she's hawt, witty, independent and, along with Varric and Aveline, the only stable person you meet in the game.
My favorite character.

Varric and Aveline - each in their own way, very nicely done, believable personalities.

Fenris, Merill, Sebastion - either too naive, too zelaous or too angry. All show the emotional growth of 12 year olds, didn't like them at all, nor (like Anders) did I find them believable in how they deal with their struggles...
They feel simplified and their behavior forced and cartoony.
Well, I guess some people behave like that, but I certainly would've ditched them were I Hawke (and I was.. )... You just end up fighting alongside some of them in the end regardless of what you say to them prior to that.

The only real emotion I felt was as follows:
- for the Qunari Seerabas in Shepherding Wolves quest
- for Hawke's poor mother
- for Bethany in the 1st playthrough when I took her to Deep Roads (though that felt sudden and forced as well)
- when Isabela came back at the end of Act 2 (though it wasn't really surprising)

[Thehealeroftruu]

Why does no one like sebastian but me? Did I miss something =o

[Back2basics]

My first playthrough I brought bethany into the deep roads and felt so responsible afterwards I really liked having her around.

I also felt bad for leandra, I really thought I would be able save her and once I saw what she had become my jaw dropped in shock.

These two moments were so sad and touching, at least for me, and my character is now all alone with no family left. Tragedy seems to surround the champion. Bioware did a good job of this for sure

[Zing Freelancer]

Anders was totally ruined as a character in my personal opinion. He was too fixated on his hatred. Even when you try to romance him, all he can see is hatred. His hatred turned Justice into Vengeance.

Fenris is pretty cool character, especially when you are a female mage. At first he kinda dislikes you and wont approve of your actions. But eventually he accepts you and respects you, even goes so far as to laugh of the irony of calling a mage his ONLY friend.

His story on the other hand is poorly managed or maybe I didnt discover all of it. Regardless I was surprised how cold blooded he was, killing his own sister without even thinking twice.
He didnt seem to change one bit after learning that HE WANTED THE LYRIUM TATTOOS. He fought for them and obtained them so that his family could become free. Even so, his family would rather remain a slave instead.
After learning all of it, Fenris remains a teenager in puppetry with anger management problems.
Sigh


Merril was kinda:
Oooooh, cutish elf with cutish voice ->
Oh she is a blood mange who wish to help her people ->
She tries to restore the history of her people, okay ->
A demon told her how to, is she dumb? ->
She totally lost it!!!

Hawke's siblings, well, he does not have any. If you can call the temporary warrior or temporary mage active characters.
You welcome.

Varric got to be the most handsomest dwarf of all time! Not as awesome as ogrym, but pretty good. My Warden Commander dwarf would become good friends with Varric.

[Lithuasil]

From that selection, Merill for sure. Though I kind of felt pretty bad for Hawke herself all things considered :|

[Awildawn]

At the end of my first playthrough, I feel sad for Anders even though I chose to kill him (still don't know if it was justice or not). And somewhat sad for Isabela who, even though she provoked a war, is surely not at peace with her tormentor. (and MAma Hawke too...)

[LadyJaneGrey]

My Hawke, poor dear.  She lost her siblings, held her mother as she died, some of her friends hate her for trying to help them, and (for some reason she doesn't quite understand) she can't leave Kirkwall.

I felt some empathy for all the characters though.

(P.S.  I liked Sebastian too.)

Modifié par LadyJaneGrey, 25 mars 2011 - 12:00 .

[Teahouse Fox]

Anders -  Well, there was no way I could not feel for Anders. Every so often you would get a tiny glimpse of the humor that he showed in Awakenings, but for the most part, that person is gone. Here's the scary thing about Anders: He warns Hawke every damn step of the way that he is a messed up individual. He will admit that he's not even sure that he is an individual, and on more than one occasion that there is no Justice, and no Anders any more. Who or whatever he is now, did something out of character for both Anders and Justice. In Act 2, I have hope that he will attempt to fix what has gone wrong. In Act 3 that all goes to hell - he has no hope... He's given up and given in to whatever he has become - a healer who will commit murder and lie to his closest friends to achieve that goal.

I hope that there is something in DLC or DA3 that offers an Anders who survives a way out by separating him from Justice. After all, there is a precedent - Arl Eamon's son can be safely separated from his demon in DAO.  In my first playthrough, I did kill Anders. He fully expects to die, and takes a seat while Hawke figures it out. At that point, it seemed more a mercy than anything else.

For the rest of the endgame however, I felt bad about killing him - once the chantry was destroyed I still sided with the mages, and nothing changed in how things played out.

Varric - I didn't quite understand the whole Varric-love thing on the forums, but having played the game three times now, I think that he is the best of the Champion's companions. It is a real pity that you cannot romance him. I feel bad about him losing his brother. He may not think his brother is the greatest thing in the world, but you still feel bad for him when Bartrand does what he does.

The Arishock and the Qunari - I felt remorse at having to kill the Arishok. I liked him, in spite of his rigid doctrine of the Qun. He is sent to recover an artifact of great meaning to his people, crashes his ship in Kirkwall, not exactly the garden spot of the free marches, and must make do in a city that barely follows guest courtesy of any sort. They do not understand the culture, the political subterfuge and lies grate on them, and they are used by the political factions for various ends. They woiuld be happy to leave, but they can't protect themselves from the events that take place, and they cannot leave.

Isabela - Towards the end of Act 2, I fervently hoped that there would a quest, opportunity... something... so that I could hunt her down and kill her. I kept hoping it all the way to the end of the game.  If she had given Hawke the choice of returning the book and then taking on two coterie mages and their flunkies, or keeping the book and letting a few hundred qunari wreak havok and murder in the streets of Kirkwall, Hawke would have taken on the mages. But Isabela never gave Hawke the choice, instead throwing the city into death and chaos.That is my second DLC/DA3 wish. No remorse for her, not one bit.

Fenris - I had to warm up to Fenris. His 'all magez r bad' shtick grates on occasion, making him easier to deal with as a rival, than as a friend. He's a little too much like Anders, but he's more like Anders Lite - all the hate, half the crazy.  He was a slave in every sense, and I enjoy helping this character out. It's nice to hear in the party banter that he's becoming social and less isolated.  Interaction with this character reminds me of the prickly relationship between the human noble Warden and Nathaniel Howe in Awakenings. You feel bad that he's still so messed up.

Merrill - When I didn't think she was cute as a button, I wanted to shake her, which was about 40% of the time. There was no "throttle Merrill" dialog option, unfortunately. I shared Aveline's opinion of her.  The whole game she witnesses blood mage shennanigans, sees Anders struggling and everyone around her trying to impress why her present course of action is a really really bad idea, and she is convinced she's smarter than everyone else. In my first play, I picked the option that had me killing every single member of her clan. Because she thought she was a wiser blood mage than the rest of the world. No remorse for her at all.

Aveline - Edges out Varric as my favorite companion. Just slightly. I didn't like her much at first in the Lothering escape sequence, but she is well written, accepts humorous dialog well,  and a shame that a male Hawke can't romance her. She is saner than all the other options, and just a genuinely decent character. She comes out of the 10 years in fairly good shape and rebuilds her life after being widowed in the blight. I was amused/impressed by the fact that the game dialog changed depending on whether or not I sold Wesley's Shield. 

Sebastian - An interesting character, who in his devotion to the Chantry kind of got on my nerves. But you couldn't help but like him. He can't properly be romanced, a fact that even he seems to regret, even if you side with the mages, but only if you put Anders down for his crimes. I will admit, that his argument after the chantry is blown to glory is what puts the nails in Anders coffin. At first I did think Sebastian was in the chantry and I was all [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie].  Anders had done more or less what Isabela did, but I was waffling on Anders fate, where Isabela I was ready to do her in on the spot.

Bethany/Carver - Well, whaddaya know. The sibling angst was not invested in the sibling who dies exiting Lothering. I did feel a sense of irony that Bethany got bundled off to the Circle, but her correspondence indicated that she was happy there.  If she gets Joined to the Wardens, she's not quite so chipper, and I do feel a bit bad about her. But, hey - she had 3 hours to live and got a 30 year extension. And it was pretty cool that she comes back in the last battle after I've killed Anders and I'm wondering exactly how I'm going to get through the end game without him.

[MoMan313]

Anders:
He took in justice with good cause, but his hate for the circle corrupted justice,turning it into a half demon... and that demon fanned the flames of his hate for the cirlce even more.. losing all his sense on humor... ok.. not all.. but most.. v.v

and he turned insane... thinking there was no compromise... when he hadn't explored all the options I mind you, and blew up the friggin Chantry... Though I gotta admit... the results.. kinda worked out better then I thought... O_o

Sebastian:

First off.. I like this dude. His hot headedness made me squee in the corner like the rabid fangirl I am at 1 am trying not to wake up my family..
But I kinda feel bad for him and Elthina.. OOhhhh the painnn in his eyes when he saw the chantry blow up.. TT___TT I wanted to huuggg him! He had been sent away from his family for like 15 years, and the only figure he had was the grand Cleric which was like a surragate mother to him... It was kinda obvious by the way he screamed that was the way he felt.. And I liked the Grand Cleric.. she seemed to be the most reasonable Chantry priest I have ever meet.. It was no Wonder Seb liked her so much...

[Tempest_]

Merril's naivety angered me at times yet I felt sympathy for her when the keeper died. I felt little sympathy for Anders in the end and I refused to make him the martyr that he wanted to be.

[alaska the 1st]

I didn't really feels sorry for any of the characters, except Anders(Don't get me I really did like the cast). The reason I felt sorry for him is because I kept thinking back to DA:A, like when I gave him the cat. Man it was had for me to kill him.

Modifié par alaska the 1st, 25 mars 2011 - 01:17 .

[Babi]

I think one can feel some level of sympathy for all of the characters... except Isabela. I can't really see how she deserves sympathy... Unless I am forgetting something tragic that happen(s) to her...

[Volourn]

Isabella, and Varric.

How come on one mentions the poor dwarf who had his brother betray him. That wa suncool. Homage to the origins quest line for dwarven nobles.

Isabella because of her back story, and how she makes the right chocie and comes back despite the fact she could have gotten away scott free.

The one I feel least sympathy for is Anders. Merrill second.

[Thehealeroftruu]

Ahh I guesss I never thought of poor Varric =O

[R-F]

Merrill. Especially on my last run when I decided not to tell the Dalish it was my fault which led to a slaughter. Poor Merrill was so sad after that. Her situation was especially difficult when I was romancing her.

[Chuvvy]

Merrill or Fenris.

[paptschik]

Not Anders, that's for sure. Well, I feel bad for Anders in Awakening, but that's hardly the same character.
I feel worst for Varric and Merrill. They suffer but never do anythign intending to harm someone.
With Isabela, there's not reason to feel bad anyway (and I like Isabela the way she is, it's just..she doesn't have many problems that should affect her in an emotional way).

[yoshibb]

Hawke, for having a crappy life and then having to deal with people with crappy lives. Seriously, Hawke must be on some sort of medication after still having the ability to be sarcastic after one of his/her best friends just blew up the chantry. Not to mention everyone outside your LI leaving you over the last three years.

Seriously, Hawke's life sucks.

Modifié par yoshibb, 25 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[THEMDSpectre]

Ser Thrask - Apparently this thread is solely concerned with companion toons, or family members. That's a real shame, because nobody's mentioned Ser Thrask, the decent Templar whose daughter became an Abomination and who still tried to help mages of Kirkwall's circle. His reward: being killed by that crazy such and such Grace, the BLOOD MAGE from the Starkhaven circle and lover of the Blood Mage Decimus, who was probably to blame for the problems in the Circle there. I felt enormous pleasure in killing her, but was stupefied by my 'Hawke's' total lack of being able to act in a pre-emptive manner, both there AND THROUGHOUT the whole plot of Act 3! However that's a gripe for so many other posts, namely the Dragon Age 2 Bioware plot-prisoner bullet train from heck.

Orsino - who for absolutely no legitimate reason whatsoever suddenly descends into despair and madness like a car crash at 100 miles an hour. Seriously, who saw that coming? I absolutely love writers who are so obviously BORED that they have to consult a 'Magic 8 Ball' just to finish their story. The first time it happened I was shocked and outraged, but by now on my fourth playthru its just a dull throb at the back of my head, I call it 'Dragon Pain 2, the Syndrome'.

Hawke in Act 3 - Obviously I'm firmly in the group that is appalled and abjectly disgusted with the Dragon Age 2 writing team, to have done so very well on all of the SECONDARY plot points and done so horribly on the finale, which adds Hawke to the list because he or she is obviously a complete idiot, being totally incapable of making any meaningful change to Deranged Aid 2, Act 3. Its all just very sad. And yes, I'm bitter.