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[Mylene]

i really dont understand,this woman was willing to put herself at risk for freeing slaves,yet she betrayed hawke and ran away like a coward and put the lives of citizens of kirkwall in danger so that she could save her life from Csatillon?
what the hell is wrong with her?

Modifié par Mylene, 24 mars 2011 - 05:27 .

[Maria Caliban]

She was willing to free slaves when there was no immediate danger to herself. After being hunted by Castillion for a few years and what with the large, angry, and violent Qunari also wanting the relic, leaving was a better option.

Isabela tends to act on spur-of-the-moment considerations.

Notice that if you keep her in Act 3, she's fine with letting Castillion remain a slaver so she can have a boat. She's not looking into the face of two hundred frightened men, women, and children stuffed into a hold so their plight doesn't move her.

Edit: I agree she's inconsistent. I just think that it makes sense for her character to be inconsistent.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 mars 2011 - 05:34 .

[hoorayforicecream]

She doesn't think long-term. That's who she is. That's how she behaves. During her first friendly "Questioning Beliefs" conversation (act 2, 50% friendship), she'll offer to buy you a drink, saying something like "Coin is for spending". If you choose the 'nice' conversation option, Hawke will say something about saving it to buy a ship, and Isabela will wave it off, saying that Hawke's ruining her fun with good sense.

She has a heart of gold, but the general attention span of a small bird.

[Thiefy]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

She has a heart of gold

Maria Caliban wrote...

Notice that if you keep her in Act 3, she's fine with letting Castillion remain a slaver so she can have a boat.

[Mylene]

Maria Caliban wrote...

She was willing to free slaves when there was no immediate danger to herself. After being hunted by Castillion for a few years and what with the large, angry, and violent Qunari also wanting the relic, leaving was a better option.

 

i dont think leaving was a better option.
the reasons are:
1.she has been successfully hiding from Castillon for at least 3 years,i doubt her hiding from him for more years would be a problem.
2.if she returned the relic to the Qunari,there would be no more angry qunari chasing after her,and the qunari rebellion in kirkwall wouldn't have happened.
3.actually,at that specific moment,qunari is an immeadiat threat while Castillon is a long-term one.

[ProfessionalPirate]

Isabela's inconsistent, and a inconsistent woman, will consistentlsy be inconsistent. Its the consistent ones you have to watch out for, because you can never tell when they'll do something incredably.... stupid.

Man, I have been waiting to use that!

[hoorayforicecream]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

She has a heart of gold

Maria Caliban wrote...

Notice that if you keep her in Act 3, she's fine with letting Castillion remain a slaver so she can have a boat.

Nobody ever said she was consistent. In fact, if you'll notice, the first two responses in this thread (mine included) are agreeing that she's inconsistent. She's fine with Castillon remaining a slaver, because she has her immediate attention set on the ship. If she was in front of slaves, she'd probably be just as happy gutting Castillon and saving them.

[Thiefy]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

She has a heart of gold

Maria Caliban wrote...

Notice that if you keep her in Act 3, she's fine with letting Castillion remain a slaver so she can have a boat.

Nobody ever said she was consistent. In fact, if you'll notice, the first two responses in this thread (mine included) are agreeing that she's inconsistent. She's fine with Castillon remaining a slaver, because she has her immediate attention set on the ship. If she was in front of slaves, she'd probably be just as happy gutting Castillon and saving them.

I'm noy arguing consistancy, I'm arguing the "heart of gold". just because someone does something nice sometimes does not make them have a "heart of gold".

[Mylene]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

She doesn't think long-term. That's who she is. That's how she behaves. During her first friendly "Questioning Beliefs" conversation (act 2, 50% friendship), she'll offer to buy you a drink, saying something like "Coin is for spending". If you choose the 'nice' conversation option, Hawke will say something about saving it to buy a ship, and Isabela will wave it off, saying that Hawke's ruining her fun with good sense.

She has a heart of gold, but the general attention span of a small bird.

if she had a heart of gold,how could she simply leave so much people behind just like that in the game?

btw,it is said that even if she returned later,she still didnt give back the relic right?and if you turn her in to the qunari,she would run away again right?then what's the point in returning? (i've only played the game once and she never returned)

[Malja]

If she does return, the purpose is to give back the relic.

[hoorayforicecream]

Mylene wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

She doesn't think long-term. That's who she is. That's how she behaves. During her first friendly "Questioning Beliefs" conversation (act 2, 50% friendship), she'll offer to buy you a drink, saying something like "Coin is for spending". If you choose the 'nice' conversation option, Hawke will say something about saving it to buy a ship, and Isabela will wave it off, saying that Hawke's ruining her fun with good sense.

She has a heart of gold, but the general attention span of a small bird.

if she had a heart of gold,how could she simply leave so much people behind just like that in the game?

btw,it is said that even if she returned later,she still didnt give back the relic right?and if you turn her in to the qunari,she would run away again right?then what's the point in returning? (i've only played the game once and she never returned)

She does come back and returns the relic to the Qunari at the end of Act 2, surprising herself and blaming Hawke's influence. The Arishok then demands that she be given to them as well, and Hawke can either give her to them, duel the Arishok one on one, or fight the Arishok and all of the other Qunari in the room. If Hawke gives Isabela to the Qunari, she does not return to Kirkwall, but steals the relic again and escapes. If Hawke fights the Arishok (duel or no), she returns for good.

Edit: A good comparison is probably Han Solo. He and Isabela have a lot in common.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 24 mars 2011 - 07:41 .

[Mylene]

^^all right,she would'v been so much better if she had returned.unlucky me,she never returned in my first playthrough.

Modifié par Mylene, 24 mars 2011 - 07:47 .

[bambooxfox]

What I appreciate about the end of Isabela's Rival path is that she admits to being selfish and constantly ignoring the consequences of her sometimes amazingly foolish actions. It's hardwired into her nature - or so she believes - but Hawke can try to convince her otherwise. I actually like this character growth resolution more than her Friendship path, where it doesn't seem like she's really learned anything. Except that she'll pull through for Hawke alone. Maybe. xD

[hoorayforicecream]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

I'm noy arguing consistancy, I'm arguing the "heart of gold". just because someone does something nice sometimes does not make them have a "heart of gold".

Just noticed this.  If you don't believe Isabela has a heart of gold, can you please provide some examples of characters (in DA or not) who do? I always thought that the whole, "heart of gold" meant some or all of these qualities:

- A selfish outer persona, but coming back to help when necessary (e.g. Han Solo, end of Episode 4)
- Pretending not to care for someone with a rough or grumpy exterior, but actually caring for them (e.g. Rick Blaine, Casablanca)
- Occasionally doing good deeds, but downplaying their role in them, pretending that it wasn't intentional, or forcing people to pretend they never happened (e.g. Dr. Cox from Scrubs)

These are all behaviors that Isabela exhibits over the course of the game.

[Taura-Tierno]

She's selfish on the surface, so it definitely fits. She doesn't fright easily, so she has no problem fighting slavers ... but it seems Castillion really, really frightens her, so I don't see it as inconsistent of her to run away. Many people would save themselves rather than risk their lives, even if it were to stop a Qunari invasion.

That she comes back because of Hawke (if she feels loyalty to him) says a whole lot more about her as a character, I think.

[Xeranx]

bambooxfox wrote...

What I appreciate about the end of Isabela's Rival path is that she admits to being selfish and constantly ignoring the consequences of her sometimes amazingly foolish actions. It's hardwired into her nature - or so she believes - but Hawke can try to convince her otherwise. I actually like this character growth resolution more than her Friendship path, where it doesn't seem like she's really learned anything. Except that she'll pull through for Hawke alone. Maybe. xD

Are you saying that in order for Isabela to have that character growth she must be in a relationship with Hawke?

[hoorayforicecream]

Xeranx wrote...

Are you saying that in order for Isabela to have that character growth she must be in a relationship with Hawke?

No, just 100% rivalry.

[Xeranx]

Oh ok.  Sorry, I misread your post.

Modifié par Xeranx, 26 mars 2011 - 02:33 .

[Bari9060]

I would compare her to Captain Jack Sparrow as opposed to Han Solo, but it is the same archetype, so it works

[RazorrX]

I do not think she is as much afraid of Castillon, as she is of the armada which he is a part of and which therefore is also hunting her. She kept in Kirkwall (imo) to find the relic because IF she got a ship the armada would be after her (maybe not so much hunting but more of a - you see her sink her thing).