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[johook213]

I think F-C makes a good point. Everyone looked different in DA2! lol Seriously thou, I think most people just don't like the new art style. I actually liked it a lot.

[Irx]

johook213 wrote...

The great Baldur's Gate 2 did it!

BG2 did it due to copyright issues, they couldn't for some reason get a license to use the same image in BG2.
And DA1 to DA2 design style shift was a decision, not a necessity.

[johook213]

The reason for the changes isn't the point. I am just pointing out that Jaheira's changes are very similar to the DA2 elf changes. She looks very "human" in BG1, but in her BG2 photo she looks more "elven".... i prefer elves to look like elves. lol

[planed scaped]

GreyPouponWarden wrote...

They have Bajoran-looking nose bridges. No wonder the Tevinter enslaved them!

I lol'd.

I think it's a mixed bag. They're eyes are a bit too big as well as many have messed up noses. And a few have ears that are a bit too long. As someone who much much perfered Origins to DA2 I have to say though on the whole the DA2 elves look better... The ones done right that is. Such as Merill and the elven prostitues. Tomwise and the Female elf are prime examples of elves done wrong.

[steve1945]

In Origins the Elves look much like humans with some defining characteristics. I prefer this version.

In Dragon Age 2 they look like some cross between Navi and Anime/Manga characters. Frankly I hate this version. It just looks so disgusting along with the utterly, completely, ABOMINATION! that is the new Elvish accents. Well lets just say if I could have crushed Merrils face under my boot and crucify the Elves. Well Bioware would get a few good words out of me for having that option.

Frankly in my opinion its the fault of the "art style" I hesitate to call it art....its.. I can't bring words to describe how much I dislike it.

[planed scaped]

At first I thought it was just the elves in the free marches that had Irish/Welsh accents.

But it seems like every elf outside Tevinter has them now.

[steve1945]

johook213 wrote...

The reason for the changes isn't the point. I am just pointing out that Jaheira's changes are very similar to the DA2 elf changes. She looks very "human" in BG1, but in her BG2 photo she looks more "elven".... i prefer elves to look like elves. lol

Except the human with long ears and slimmer build is "elven" Tolkien invented the Elven race as it pertains to fantasy constructs. Im sure someone will quote me about Galic barbarians and their fairy folk or something equally assine and drawing from the point. But such is life.

Tolkien Elves are the MASTER ELVES!

[johook213]

elves from the animated Hobbit movie were UGLY!

[planed scaped]

Dwarves and Elves were originally from Norse mythology.

In modern context though they are nothing like their Nordic roots.

[Bathead]

Alikain wrote...

The Brigand wrote...

In Origins, elves looked like humans with pointy ears.

From the look of those pictures, in DA2 they look like deformed humans with pointy ears.

I'm not really seeing the "alien beauty" bit, really. Maybe if they had multicolored scales, reverse elbows, backwards hands, three eyelids, and no noses...

And what do you think elves are suppose to look like. they are Humanoid  beings not some fairy creatures. the only thing which should separate them from the humans is the ears and they thin bone. what we got i DA2 was disgraceful 

Um, actually that's exactly what Elves are in Old World  mythology, fairies. Dragon Age (or Tolkien, for that matter) didn't invent Elves.

[steve1945]

Bathead wrote...
Um, actually that's exactly what Elves are in Old World  mythology, fairies. Dragon Age (or Tolkien, for that matter) didn't invent Elves.

Except they did. In the context of Medieval Fantasy Genre. If  DA2 was a Nordic Epic of Grimfist StoneCaller and his epic quest to fight off Loki and the Ragnorak with the help of the Aesir and the Fair Folk then you would have a great case.

[steve1945]

johook213 wrote...

elves from the animated Hobbit movie were UGLY!

Like the Battle of the Squeeling Plains its not nice to speak of that in polite company.

[Bathead]

Wrong. Tolkien only invented his own take on elves, based only in part on Nordic legends, the British isles also had a lot of folklore involving Faerie kind, which included elves. Again Tolkien only adapted, he didn't invent.

[johook213]

steve1945 wrote...

Bathead wrote...
Um, actually that's exactly what Elves are in Old World  mythology, fairies. Dragon Age (or Tolkien, for that matter) didn't invent Elves.

Except they did. In the context of Medieval Fantasy Genre. If  DA2 was a Nordic Epic of Grimfist StoneCaller and his epic quest to fight off Loki and the Ragnorak with the help of the Aesir and the Fair Folk then you would have a great case.

No, Tolkien and D&D did not invent elves.  They had a popular take on elves, I'll give you that. 

I have seen some books and games that depict elves more closely to their fae roots, which I honestly prefer. Not all fantasy books/games follow the whole Tolkien and D&D formula. 

[steve1945]

Bathead wrote...

Wrong. Tolkien only invented his own take on elves, based only in part on Nordic legends, the British isles also had a lot of folklore involving Faerie kind, which included elves. Again Tolkien only adapted, he didn't invent.

Except he did. As I explained he "invented" the Elves in the sense of the Medieval Fantasy genre. You keep parrating that they existed beforehand yet no ones debating that. Its not even the point of the discussion and is little more then a diverson.  The fact of the matter is Elves in the sense of fantasy are Tolkien Elves. 

If you continue to promote the idea that somehow the existence of fay folk before they became a staple of the genre is somehow relevent to the changes made in DA2 perhaps in DA3 we can all make the Elves knee high? Perhaps the dwarves should be evil little creatures who steal dreams?

[johook213]

Heck, I've seen elves with the ephemeral insect wings... seen elves running barefoot thru a forest talking to the wild-life... or speaking to sea foam (water spirits naked to the human eye)... i've read about or seen a lot of different types of elves. lol

[johook213]

steve1945 wrote...

Bathead wrote...

Wrong. Tolkien only invented his own take on elves, based only in part on Nordic legends, the British isles also had a lot of folklore involving Faerie kind, which included elves. Again Tolkien only adapted, he didn't invent.

Except he did. As I explained he "invented" the Elves in the sense of the Medieval Fantasy genre. You keep parrating that they existed beforehand yet no ones debating that. Its not even the point of the discussion and is little more then a diverson.  The fact of the matter is Elves in the sense of fantasy are Tolkien Elves. 

If you continue to promote the idea that somehow the existence of fay folk before they became a staple of the genre is somehow relevent to the changes made in DA2 perhaps in DA3 we can all make the Elves knee high? Perhaps the dwarves should be evil little creatures who steal dreams?

Tolkien created a popular take on elves, but it is not the ONLY version of elves in the medieval fantasy genre.

[Tirigon]

johook213 wrote...

Tolkien created a popular take on elves, but it is not the ONLY version of elves in the medieval fantasy genre.

He created the only GOOD one.

[AkiKishi]

The elves of my culture would the Sidhe

Medivel rendering of them here, very human like.



Anime version just for fun

Modifié par BobSmith101, 25 mars 2011 - 11:56 .

[Metalunatic]

Beertastic wrote...

and from what I've seen all of them have a green eye color.

This is false. I guess it is common for elves to have green eyes, but some do in fact have different colored ones.

[DownyTif]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

They look like slight humans with pointy ears in DA:O.

They look like retarded, anorexic gremlins in DA2.

I so agree!

[PlumPaul93]

they are anorexic and have deformed faces in this game, and they look like they could pass as little kids or teenagers (not in looks but in size).

[johook213]

I still support the new elf look. There are so many different varieties of "elves" why do we have to settle with "pointy-eared humans" or "Tolkien's elves" ... Tolkien used the norse mythology elves as his inspiration... that doesn't mean everyone has to.

German folklore
Scandinavian elves (they're spirits!)
english folklore
Norse mythology
some D&D elves
anime elf. ^__^

[Wuxia]

I preferred the DAO elves. The fact that they looked human emphasised their fall from otherworldly grace to me.

[Curlain]

I prefer the DAO elves, the whole original idea of Elvenan and Arlathan and of a previous partial immortality (in terms of not aging) screamed of Tolkien (and to a lesser extent D&D) style elves, with that immortality lost (along with the land and culture) it showed that type of fantasy elf in a position of having lost all that. This meant that DA:O along with the Witcher (first in the books and then the game) showed a world beyond what many fantasy worlds featuring this type of elf show, where the elven civilisation is usually just in decline. in DA it has fully declined, and the elves left in Da:O had to deal with that.

That was one of the things that made playing in the DA world interesting was seeing this inversion (and playing it when you were an elven character), but the change in elf design means that it lacks the force it did have in DA:O and the earlier DA books. It's also hard to really accept that most humans find the new elves attractive or beautiful as the Codex suggests, but it was reasonable in the first game.

I'm afraid I very much liked the DA:O elves and that game's take on the elven race, and in my mind I just see the DA2 elves appearance as part of a more stylised art take vs a more realistic one in DA:O and that the elves really still look like they did in Origins (whether this is really true or not, that's the way I'm gonna see it )