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[Cody211282]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

No, it isn't. Nor are the giant boobs on every female. But hey, 14 years olds like that kinda stuff, so Bioware threw it all in there. I amazed it didn't have a hard rock soundtrack too.

Only 14 year old olds like boobs?  Maker, I guess I haven't aged in a while!

Every game has females with large breast because it is usually a male designing it (not to be stereotyping, but in general when I watch Behind The Scenes vids it's males doing character model work) and virtual characters are the creation of someone's imagination.   Let me ask you a very blunt question: How often to you imagine a girl with small ******?

No one would question a female making a character with a huge lump on his crotch.

Now saying that, I disagree with you entirely, because I've found that most females in DA2 do not have large breast.  However, people who like to pick apart games then go and complain on their forums will only even recognize the females with large breast and ignore the ones without.  Either A:) Because they have large breast or Because small breast would disprove their argument and  dissolve their reason to complain on the forums.

Sadly you cant win, ether 1) All the girls have huge awesome ****** and people complain about it, or 2)some of them do and some have small to normal sized ones(like a certain elf) and people complain that she lookslike a 12 year old and everyone who slept with her is a pedo.

So, what if, we do a ****** test?   We agree on a moderate size to give to all females a generic not to large, not to small size, and just reuse that model for each and every female with only facial features and clothing chan---"THESE MODELS ARE RECYCLED!"

Ah, Maker damn it all!

Honestly this game had more varity in the body models then DA:O did, bothe Morigan and Liliana were the same from the neck down, were Isabella and Merril are diffrent.

And on a more shallow note I like a varity of boobs in my games so I think this a good job in that regard!

[Shannara13]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

I love how people aren't bothered by the fact that their kids would be exposed to committing cold blooded murder in the game but swearing is too much.

I love how you think the two have to be inter-related. 

Realistically, my kids aren't going to learn how to go out and murder a dude playing Dragon Age 2. 

They will, however, learn how to cuss like a Rivani sailor. 

Different parts of the brain, my son. Different parts of the brain. 

Do your kids go to a public school? If you answer yes then video games are the least of your concerns for them learning to swear.

Actually, I don't have kids (And I'd probably homeschool if I did), but that doesn't have bearing on the discussion; I can't control what they hear outside my home, but I can control what they hear inside my home. 

Not that any of this matters, since I was rebutting your strange allusion that somehow I should feel morally obligated to be against fake violence before I should feel obligated to be against real cursing. 

If violence commited by a video game character is fake then why isn't cursing commited by a video game character fake?

[Gentleman Moogle]

Sen4lifE wrote...

*El-Snip*

Then to your argument, kids would perceive murdering street merchants for a couple extra coins would be the "perfect world?"

Try to make this argument less contradictive and counter-productive before you reply again.

Actually, you'll find that I addressed that in my first post. But I'll elaborate; (Also, not sure how 'kids' came to be involved, but what the hoo-hah.)

The murders in a game are not usually 'vulgar' or 'imperfect' enough to trigger the 'jar me out of my immersion' sensor, unless they're specifically designed to be of SAW-level violence. Modern graphics just aren't good enough -- or if they are, the developers wisely steer clear of upping the 'squick' factor -- to depict violence of a level that would shock a person out of the game.

Now, if when we hit a dude with a sword, his intestines dropped out in a realistic fashion, he evacuated his bowels, puked, fell over and died horridly, THAT would jar your brain out of its 'perfect world-o-vision' dealie (Again, not the technical term, and probably not even the best metaphor, but it's late and it's the best my brain can come up with.)

[Sen4lifE]

Johnny20 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

No, it isn't. Nor are the giant boobs on every female. But hey, 14 years olds like that kinda stuff, so Bioware threw it all in there. I amazed it didn't have a hard rock soundtrack too.

Only 14 year old olds like boobs?  Maker, I guess I haven't aged in a while!

Every game has females with large breast because it is usually a male designing it (not to be stereotyping, but in general when I watch Behind The Scenes vids it's males doing character model work) and virtual characters are the creation of someone's imagination.   Let me ask you a very blunt question: How often to you imagine a girl with small ******?

No one would question a female making a character with a huge lump on his crotch.

Now saying that, I disagree with you entirely, because I've found that most females in DA2 do not have large breast.  However, people who like to pick apart games then go and complain on their forums will only even recognize the females with large breast and ignore the ones without.  Either A:) Because they have large breast or Because small breast would disprove their argument and  dissolve their reason to complain on the forums.

Listen, I love boobs as much as the next guy, but the breasts on the ladies of Dragon Age 2 are ridiculous. I understand some lovely wenches have big boobs, but EVERY female in this game has them. You start to wonder what kinda mind this game was catered for, after the sixth time you get hit in the eye, with a nipple.

"...EVERY female..."

Merrill.  You have lost this argument.

If you really think every female in Dragon Age 2 has big boobs, evidently your opinion of small boobs is insatiable.

casedawgz wrote...

Any0day wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Compare
that with DA2 (And I'll admit, I didn't find the language too intrusive
except for a few points with Isabella and Varric); the cursing there
sometimes seems artless, like the writers thought they had to make their
characters cuss to make them appear more 'street' or something. I'm not
saying it was bad writing, but there were points when the cursing
yanked me out of my immersion because there was just too much of it. 

This
really sums up how I feel about it. I'm certainly not offended, I'm
just really worried if this is the continual direction the dialog will
ultimately go. I just can't get engaged in an RPG using vulgarities so
rampently and unnecessarily.

What about the
Witcher? I personally can't stand that game for reasons I'll not list
here, but most people on this forum seem to love it and it's replete
with profanity that makes much less sense than the profanity in DA2.

The Witcher tried to hard in my opinion, I lost interest.

[Any0day]

Sen4lifE wrote...


Then to your argument, kids would perceive murdering street merchants for a couple extra coins would be the "perfect world?"

Try to make this argument less contradictive and counter-productive before you reply again.

There actually is no contradiction. There have been many studies involving children and what they percieve as ''real'' in a video game. Unless they are mentally challeged, children understand violence for the most part is not reality. Taking into consideration all the violence there is in a morning on sunday cartoons; you're never going to see any cursing, but you'll definitely see some cartoon character getting bludgeoned by a huge hammer.

Modifié par Any0day, 24 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[Sen4lifE]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

*El-Snip*

Now, if when we hit a dude with a sword, his intestines dropped out in a realistic fashion, he evacuated his bowels, puked, fell over and died horridly, THAT would jar your brain out of its 'perfect world-o-vision' dealie

No it wouldn't.

[casedawgz]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

No, it isn't. Nor are the giant boobs on every female. But hey, 14 years olds like that kinda stuff, so Bioware threw it all in there. I amazed it didn't have a hard rock soundtrack too.

Only 14 year old olds like boobs?  Maker, I guess I haven't aged in a while!

Every game has females with large breast because it is usually a male designing it (not to be stereotyping, but in general when I watch Behind The Scenes vids it's males doing character model work) and virtual characters are the creation of someone's imagination.   Let me ask you a very blunt question: How often to you imagine a girl with small ******?

No one would question a female making a character with a huge lump on his crotch.

Now saying that, I disagree with you entirely, because I've found that most females in DA2 do not have large breast.  However, people who like to pick apart games then go and complain on their forums will only even recognize the females with large breast and ignore the ones without.  Either A:) Because they have large breast or Because small breast would disprove their argument and  dissolve their reason to complain on the forums.

Listen, I love boobs as much as the next guy, but the breasts on the ladies of Dragon Age 2 are ridiculous. I understand some lovely wenches have big boobs, but EVERY female in this game has them. You start to wonder what kinda mind this game was catered for, after the sixth time you get hit in the eye, with a nipple.

"...EVERY female..."

Merrill.  You have lost this argument.

If you really think every female in Dragon Age 2 has big boobs, evidently your opinion of small boobs is insatiable.

casedawgz wrote...

Any0day wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Compare
that with DA2 (And I'll admit, I didn't find the language too intrusive
except for a few points with Isabella and Varric); the cursing there
sometimes seems artless, like the writers thought they had to make their
characters cuss to make them appear more 'street' or something. I'm not
saying it was bad writing, but there were points when the cursing
yanked me out of my immersion because there was just too much of it. 

This
really sums up how I feel about it. I'm certainly not offended, I'm
just really worried if this is the continual direction the dialog will
ultimately go. I just can't get engaged in an RPG using vulgarities so
rampently and unnecessarily.

What about the
Witcher? I personally can't stand that game for reasons I'll not list
here, but most people on this forum seem to love it and it's replete
with profanity that makes much less sense than the profanity in DA2.

The Witcher tried to hard in my opinion, I lost interest.

Merrill has the elf model. All the human girls have improbably gigantic cantalopues.

[Cody211282]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

*El-Snip*

Now, if when we hit a dude with a sword, his intestines dropped out in a realistic fashion, he evacuated his bowels, puked, fell over and died horridly, THAT would jar your brain out of its 'perfect world-o-vision' dealie

No it wouldn't.

PLus they have a game that does that, it's called manhunt.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Shannara13 wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

I love how people aren't bothered by the fact that their kids would be exposed to committing cold blooded murder in the game but swearing is too much.

I love how you think the two have to be inter-related. 

Realistically, my kids aren't going to learn how to go out and murder a dude playing Dragon Age 2. 

They will, however, learn how to cuss like a Rivani sailor. 

Different parts of the brain, my son. Different parts of the brain. 

Do your kids go to a public school? If you answer yes then video games are the least of your concerns for them learning to swear.

Actually, I don't have kids (And I'd probably homeschool if I did), but that doesn't have bearing on the discussion; I can't control what they hear outside my home, but I can control what they hear inside my home. 

Not that any of this matters, since I was rebutting your strange allusion that somehow I should feel morally obligated to be against fake violence before I should feel obligated to be against real cursing. 

If violence commited by a video game character is fake then why isn't cursing commited by a video game character fake?

...... Because words are real and have power when spoken?

Seriously, I don't even know how to respond to this. I'm a dude on the internet using a fake name... if I write "f*ck* (uncensored, of course), how in the world could you ever make the argument that it's a fake curse?

If a character in a video game uses a real word, it's not like that word has no meaning attached to it. When Varric says "I'm just sh*tting you" (and it occurs to me at this point that you're probably just trolling me and I'm wasting my breath), he's not saying "I'm in the mood for a lovely ham sandwich with my evening tea", is he? 

Seriously, your argument makes no sense. 

[Dermain]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Because our brains don't perceive reality and virtual reality in the same way. A swear word in a book, movie or game is far more noticable there than it would be in real life, due to the whole 'our brain perceives virtual reality as more perfect than real reality' diatribe I went on back there. 

A character who swears as punctuation in a game is far more noticable and jarring than he would be in real life. 

Have you taken a general psychology course? If you have either the teacher was horrible, or you did not pay attention. A child that is exposed to constant swearing in real life is going to swear regardless of if s/he hears/reads it in a film/book. Just being exposed to it would cause a "problem", so of course let us all stuff our children in bubbles and leave them there. Problem solved.

On to other matters:

Profanity, and use of it, is not a "modern" invention. Profanity has been in use since language was first used. You can find profanity and every language, even the "dead" ones. Please crawl out of that bubble you were shoved in as a child, and observe the real world for once.

[Thalorin1919]

I don't get it.

I mean, you guys are making a bigger deal about the size of breasts then others.

Who cares? There breasts. They aren't going to shatter the world. I mean, really. Do you honestly want the developers to spend time making a variety of different sizes of breasts or something rather then working on actual...important stuff?

And profanity should be expected.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

*El-Snip*

Now, if when we hit a dude with a sword, his intestines dropped out in a realistic fashion, he evacuated his bowels, puked, fell over and died horridly, THAT would jar your brain out of its 'perfect world-o-vision' dealie

No it wouldn't.

...

Arrrrgh, I lay mortally wounded, skewered by the pointed edge of your infallible argument! Well played, sir, the way you parried my every argument with well thought-out criticism was masterful. 

Seriously, now we're practically two steps away from calling each other 'stupid-head'. I think I'ma stop here. 

I should know better by now than to try to have a decent debate on an internet forum. 

[Sen4lifE]

casedawgz wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

No, it isn't. Nor are the giant boobs on every female. But hey, 14 years olds like that kinda stuff, so Bioware threw it all in there. I amazed it didn't have a hard rock soundtrack too.

Only 14 year old olds like boobs?  Maker, I guess I haven't aged in a while!

Every game has females with large breast because it is usually a male designing it (not to be stereotyping, but in general when I watch Behind The Scenes vids it's males doing character model work) and virtual characters are the creation of someone's imagination.   Let me ask you a very blunt question: How often to you imagine a girl with small ******?

No one would question a female making a character with a huge lump on his crotch.

Now saying that, I disagree with you entirely, because I've found that most females in DA2 do not have large breast.  However, people who like to pick apart games then go and complain on their forums will only even recognize the females with large breast and ignore the ones without.  Either A:) Because they have large breast or Because small breast would disprove their argument and  dissolve their reason to complain on the forums.

Listen, I love boobs as much as the next guy, but the breasts on the ladies of Dragon Age 2 are ridiculous. I understand some lovely wenches have big boobs, but EVERY female in this game has them. You start to wonder what kinda mind this game was catered for, after the sixth time you get hit in the eye, with a nipple.

"...EVERY female..."

Merrill.  You have lost this argument.

If you really think every female in Dragon Age 2 has big boobs, evidently your opinion of small boobs is insatiable.

casedawgz wrote...

Any0day wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Compare
that with DA2 (And I'll admit, I didn't find the language too intrusive
except for a few points with Isabella and Varric); the cursing there
sometimes seems artless, like the writers thought they had to make their
characters cuss to make them appear more 'street' or something. I'm not
saying it was bad writing, but there were points when the cursing
yanked me out of my immersion because there was just too much of it. 

This
really sums up how I feel about it. I'm certainly not offended, I'm
just really worried if this is the continual direction the dialog will
ultimately go. I just can't get engaged in an RPG using vulgarities so
rampently and unnecessarily.

What about the
Witcher? I personally can't stand that game for reasons I'll not list
here, but most people on this forum seem to love it and it's replete
with profanity that makes much less sense than the profanity in DA2.

The Witcher tried to hard in my opinion, I lost interest.

Merrill has the elf model. All the human girls have improbably gigantic cantalopues.

Bethany.

Aveline.

Bethany did have large breast in prologue, but that was Varric's fantasized version of her.

[casedawgz]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

I don't get it.

I mean, you guys are making a bigger deal about the size of breasts then others.

Who cares? There breasts. They aren't going to shatter the world. I mean, really. Do you honestly want the developers to spend time making a variety of different sizes of breasts or something rather then working on actual...important stuff?

And profanity should be expected.

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

[Sen4lifE]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

*El-Snip*

Now, if when we hit a dude with a sword, his intestines dropped out in a realistic fashion, he evacuated his bowels, puked, fell over and died horridly, THAT would jar your brain out of its 'perfect world-o-vision' dealie

No it wouldn't.

...

Arrrrgh, I lay mortally wounded, skewered by the pointed edge of your infallible argument! Well played, sir, the way you parried my every argument with well thought-out criticism was masterful. 

Seriously, now we're practically two steps away from calling each other 'stupid-head'. I think I'ma stop here. 

I should know better by now than to try to have a decent debate on an internet forum. 

You did make a mistake by saying, "your brain," because I wouldn't.  Realism immerses me more into my fantasy worlds.  Generalization only leads to failure.

[Sen4lifE]

Cody211282 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

*El-Snip*

Now, if when we hit a dude with a sword, his intestines dropped out in a realistic fashion, he evacuated his bowels, puked, fell over and died horridly, THAT would jar your brain out of its 'perfect world-o-vision' dealie

No it wouldn't.

PLus they have a game that does that, it's called manhunt.

Sounds like I need me a copy.

[Cody211282]

Sen4lifE wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

*El-Snip*

Now, if when we hit a dude with a sword, his intestines dropped out in a realistic fashion, he evacuated his bowels, puked, fell over and died horridly, THAT would jar your brain out of its 'perfect world-o-vision' dealie

No it wouldn't.

PLus they have a game that does that, it's called manhunt.

Sounds like I need me a copy.

Good luck, I think it only came out on xbox and PS2.

[marshalleck]

Johnny20 wrote...

 I amazed it didn't have a hard rock soundtrack too.

Because if there's one kind of music the 14 year olds are all into, it's Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith!

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 mars 2011 - 07:39 .

[casedawgz]

marshalleck wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

 I amazed it didn't have a hard rock soundtrack too.

Because if there's one thing the 14 year olds are all into, it's Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith!

Win.

[Sen4lifE]

Cody211282 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Sen4lifE wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

*El-Snip*

Now, if when we hit a dude with a sword, his intestines dropped out in a realistic fashion, he evacuated his bowels, puked, fell over and died horridly, THAT would jar your brain out of its 'perfect world-o-vision' dealie

No it wouldn't.

PLus they have a game that does that, it's called manhunt.

Sounds like I need me a copy.

Good luck, I think it only came out on xbox and PS2.

I am a console gamer.

[Johnny20]

marshalleck wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

 I amazed it didn't have a hard rock soundtrack too.

Because if there's one kind of music the 14 year olds are all into, it's Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith!

Alright, whatever kids listen to these days. How the hell should I know.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

 There's certainly MORE of it than in other Bioware games.

The writing in general is worse I find, especially just about anything that comes out of Hawke's mouth.

[Any0day]

Profanity, and use of it, is not a "modern" invention. Profanity has been in use since language was first used. You can find profanity and every language, even the "dead" ones. Please crawl out of that bubble you were shoved in as a child, and observe the real world for once.

I will agree that profanity definitely existed in archaic times, but to try and argue (if that is indeed what you are doing) that it was used as openly as it is today is just asinine; especially for the English language. Charles Benton ironically provided an argument for its use that is as true today as it was when he wrote it over a century ago. Benton noted that “the essence of profanity is a Vandalic desecration of those inner temples, without excuse save the depraved desire to show contempt for that which is dear to another.”

Or, to paraphrase, profanity in its many forms is an assault on the reader and what they hold as dear, a form of mental shock that when used correctly, can jolt the reader.

Perhaps the best guidance for the use of profanity in any artistic medium can be summed up in a set of questions:

Is this usage appropriate for the setting?
Does this usage achieve the message I wish to purvey?
Am I using this profane term because no other will suffice?
And finally am I willing to risk isolating my audience?
When measured against these questions, profanity does still carry a risk, but if the artist is honest in answering them, profanity can be a powerful tool. The end result, the line between a profound piece of art and a profane piece of garbage, might actually be best determined by borrowing from the Supreme Court’s ruling on pornography. In the words of Justice Stewart “I know it when I see it.”

[casedawgz]

Any0day wrote...

Profanity, and use of it, is not a "modern" invention. Profanity has been in use since language was first used. You can find profanity and every language, even the "dead" ones. Please crawl out of that bubble you were shoved in as a child, and observe the real world for once.

I will agree that profanity definitely existed in archaic times, but to try and argue (if that is indeed what you are doing) that it was used as openly as it is today is just asinine; especially for the English language. Charles Benton ironically provided an argument for its use that is as true today as it was when he wrote it over a century ago. Benton noted that “the essence of profanity is a Vandalic desecration of those inner temples, without excuse save the depraved desire to show contempt for that which is dear to another.”

Or, to paraphrase, profanity in its many forms is an assault on the reader and what they hold as dear, a form of mental shock that when used correctly, can jolt the reader.

Perhaps the best guidance for the use of profanity in any artistic medium can be summed up in a set of questions:

Is this usage appropriate for the setting?
Does this usage achieve the message I wish to purvey?
Am I using this profane term because no other will suffice?
And finally am I willing to risk isolating my audience?
When measured against these questions, profanity does still carry a risk, but if the artist is honest in answering them, profanity can be a powerful tool. The end result, the line between a profound piece of art and a profane piece of garbage, might actually be best determined by borrowing from the Supreme Court’s ruling on pornography. In the words of Justice Stewart “I know it when I see it.”

Way to copypaste your whole argument from http://www.bradleyro...literature/     and give no credit to your source. Seems like you were trying to take credit for the argument. Tsk, tsk.

Modifié par casedawgz, 24 mars 2011 - 07:52 .

[Shannara13]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...


...... Because words are real and have power when spoken?

Seriously, I don't even know how to respond to this. I'm a dude on the internet using a fake name... if I write "f*ck* (uncensored, of course), how in the world could you ever make the argument that it's a fake curse?

If a character in a video game uses a real word, it's not like that word has no meaning attached to it. When Varric says "I'm just sh*tting you" (and it occurs to me at this point that you're probably just trolling me and I'm wasting my breath), he's not saying "I'm in the mood for a lovely ham sandwich with my evening tea", is he? 

Seriously, your argument makes no sense. 

My arguement is that video game violence doesn't make kids go kill people because they can differeniate between fantasy and reality and there is no reason that differentiation can't encompass the swearing in the game.