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[Talladarr]

Thankyou. I mean really? Rated M means 17+, not "Fun for the whole family!"

[cindercatz]

Myrkale wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

Yes it's necessary, but so is appropriate nudity, which they've shied away from, and so is more realistic violence, gone from this installment. DA's supposed to be adult, low fantasy fiction, but it seems like they're trying to find the perfect maximum amount of R-rated material that they can still get away with marketing to minors. Else, why the extremely awkward attempt to ride the fence in so many ways this time out? It's standard corporate practise nowdays, like PG-13 slasher flicks. Corporate think starts with the notion that this forced medium gets butts in the seats, so to speak.

As far as R/M-rated fantasy goes, the idea that you expect fantasy or fantastic media to be PG-13 is recent, as older mature fiction, whether it be books or movies or take your pick, is in plentiful supply if you look for it. Even Grimm's fairy tales were originally meant for adults, or Chaucer's Fables (sp), the original French fictionalisation of King Arthur's Tales, etc. Beowulf, even, Greek tragedy. The last few decades, people have been sanitizing everything here, and our culture's the lesser for it. When's the last time you saw Greek deities presented correctly at the theater or any breast in any fantasy film? The nineties and earlier 2/3 of the'00s were horrible about this. They even covered up Lady Justice's breast at the capital. You had a group a few months ago trying to replace all racially offensive language in Huck Finn with the word "slave", never mind that those words were there for a reason, combating racism. :-( So any time somebody bucks that trend, like HBO/Showtime shows recently, or gaming's Heavy Rain, Red Dead Redemption, or even the absurdist God of War 3 (of the games I've played in the last couple years), I applaud and support that.

As far as real world cussing goes, it's as ancient as language. Our modern moralism in America comes originally out of Victorian era Puritanism, about the most prudish, harshly strict culture in the history of the western world, and our recent Revivalist religious movement over the last few decades. Anything that combats that and makes our culture a more sane thing, our world more fun and livable, I'm for.

Sorry to get all preachy..

It's not really the past few decades that "sanitization" started to occur. It made a huge comeback in the early 1900's dropped out around 1930 or so with the Great Depression, then came back in full force in the mid 40's. I would say that around every 20-30 years some sort of sanitization of media occurs, sadly usually based off of the Fundamentalist aspects of religion. Now while I can see the arguement for this sanitization, I do not necessarily think that it is the best thing for our culture. Trying to ignore/stop the "bad' things of society never works, the 1960's are a good example of this.

True, but that's the current wave of it. Personally, I'd love to break the cycle. ;-)

[Seblin]

Some people swear, some people don't. The world is full of people who swear, its up to you to educate your children about swearing, not hide them from it. As hiding them from it is being ignorant, school yards have more swearing than this game.

By the way, the internet is full of porn. I bet they know more about sex than you could even imagine.

Welcome to real life.

[Talladarr]

Seblin wrote...
By the way, the internet is full of porn.
Welcome to real life.

That's where I learned my sex-ed =3

[marshalleck]

Seblin wrote...

Some people swear, some people don't. The world is full of people who swear, its up to you to educate your children about swearing, not hide them from it. As hiding them from it is being ignorant, school yards have more swearing than this game.

By the way, the internet is full of porn. I bet they know more about sex than you could even imagine.

Welcome to real life.

How could you crush OP's sanitized version of reality like that? So cruel, so cold. 

[Talladarr]

marshalleck wrote...

Seblin wrote...

Some people swear, some people don't. The world is full of people who swear, its up to you to educate your children about swearing, not hide them from it. As hiding them from it is being ignorant, school yards have more swearing than this game.

By the way, the internet is full of porn. I bet they know more about sex than you could even imagine.

Welcome to real life.

How could you crush OP's sanitized version of reality like that? So cruel, so cold. 

Where's the damn "Like" button xD

[Chruptak]

The only RPG game I know that has adult language is The Witcher. DA2 has nothing worth talking about...

[spookyscarlett]

It's not actually that much profanity. Then again I swear like a sailor so most of it goes over my head. I like that it's there though, it's more annoying when it's avoided in a ~think of the children~ way.

[randName]

Yes, people should use profanity more, not less; DA2 and Hawk are already prudish enough.

[Talladarr]

I completely agree

[Zkyire]

Any0day wrote...

 Now - before I go and get flamed, let me first point out that I understand some games require profanity to fit into the culture they're derived from; like grand theft auto. For an RPG though, I'm kind of surprised by the decision. I realize that DAO was advertised as having adult content, but the reality is the writing in general was more high-brow; meaning the adult content really only made sense to adults.

It just seems like the writing dropped to high school level. Perhaps this was to attract more of that audience, but it's really a turn off for my friends and I; especially those of us who want to share this with our kids. It makes it hard when a common banter is "Don't you enjoy getting flipped ass over ****** and hammered like a bent nail?" - sure, it's funny, but no where near as witty as previous titles.

..the game is rated M. Meaning not for children. And yes, this may come as a shocker, but adults swear too.

[Tripedius]

Any0day wrote...

 Now - before I go and get flamed, let me first point out that I understand some games require profanity to fit into the culture they're derived from; like grand theft auto. For an RPG though, I'm kind of surprised by the decision. I realize that DAO was advertised as having adult content, but the reality is the writing in general was more high-brow; meaning the adult content really only made sense to adults.

It just seems like the writing dropped to high school level. Perhaps this was to attract more of that audience, but it's really a turn off for my friends and I; especially those of us who want to share this with our kids. It makes it hard when a common banter is "Don't you enjoy getting flipped ass over ****** and hammered like a bent nail?" - sure, it's funny, but no where near as witty as previous titles.

It's a mature game, so you can't share it with your kids. But you seem fine to share lots of blood, exploding corpses and violence, but bending someone over for some fun (instead of gibbing them) is too much? Let me guess, you are an American? This game has a rating 17+ for a reason you know.

[Talladarr]

Indubitably

[harrier25699]

Any0day wrote...

 Now - before I go and get flamed, let me first point out that I understand some games require profanity to fit into the culture they're derived from; like grand theft auto. For an RPG though, I'm kind of surprised by the decision. I realize that DAO was advertised as having adult content, but the reality is the writing in general was more high-brow; meaning the adult content really only made sense to adults.

It just seems like the writing dropped to high school level. Perhaps this was to attract more of that audience, but it's really a turn off for my friends and I; especially those of us who want to share this with our kids. It makes it hard when a common banter is "Don't you enjoy getting flipped ass over ****** and hammered like a bent nail?" - sure, it's funny, but no where near as witty as previous titles.

The game is set in a pre-modern era, where the given perception (if HBO's Rome series is anything to go by) is that people are as crude as you like.  I'm more surpised that no one has brought up the issue of slavery and rascism towards Elves or drug addiction (lyrium) rife within the Templars.  Both much bigger and more relavent issues than talking about sex using naughty words.

[Lulia]

I agree with the OP.

I don't mind swearing, but pointless swearing just demeans some characters.

Isabela, sure, knock yourself out.

When character that seem to be quite laid back and dignified suddenly come out with s__t and it's not for comedy value - it's just trashy.

[Wulfram]

I don't remember much profanity. There seemed like there was less than ME2, certainly.

[Speakeasy13]

Any0day wrote...
I'm simply saying it was very disengaging for me to see it in an rpg.

Why? I thought for a game to be disengaging it should be more realistic? PPL swear. In the fantasy world and IRL. And if you think Bioware is making that creative choice to appeal to those of us 'who came from that culture', then I have a reality check for you: in the vast majority of cultures swearing is the norm. If you came from a culture where it isn't then you've either led a very sheltered life or have never went to school or have a job.

[Talladarr]

It's really quite pathetic how many people simply must be so sheltered to think swearing in a game is outside the norm....

[mesmerizedish]

Every instance of profanity of any sort that I heard was very in-character. It would be much more jarring to not hear Isabela talk about being flipped ****** over ass. And then Aveline can't even bring herself to repeat it. She just says "the other thing." It's all about characterization.

[Speakeasy13]

I am of the general opinion that ppl should be allow to swear as much as they want. Including children. When you really look at it, the only truly demeaning words we have are racial and anti-gay slurs. Words about defecations or sex has no intrinsic taboo value in today's society (or shouldn't have). In fact I'd say, get rid of these taboos and make swearing legitimate (well in a way it always have been).

Why do I say that? B'cuz I'm not a frat boy but a linguistic anthropologist. And I'm well aware that the promotion of a politically correct speech pattern is pretty much middle-class trying to assert their superiority. Why can't children say s__t? B'cuz physical labor is bad. Why can't they say f__k? B'cuz sex is bad for women. Do we want to keep instilling these value to our children? Is that what the OP wants?

Go ahead and live in your fantasy world. I'll hold on to my right to say whatever the f__k I want. Bottomline: no words are bad. It's bad ppl using it to hurt others that make em bad.

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 24 mars 2011 - 12:46 .

[SoulRebel_1979]

BomimoDK wrote...

Isn't this game rated Mature? Don't share it with your children. Case closed.

Exactly. It's like people who buy CDs with the Explicit Language sticker on the cover and then pop the CD in their car while their children are in the back seat and complain that the language is too harsh. 

[Speakeasy13]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Morroian wrote...

So you fine with the OTT violence for your kids but not the swearing?

Don't equate the two.  You can show violence on American television that's not allowed, say, in the UK.  You can show nudity and sexual behavior in the UK that can't be seen on broadcast or (it not likely to be seen) on basic cable in the U.S.  Different standards for different situations.  The original poster said nothing about violence.

Well but it's worth comparing no? Let's assume that both will be bad influences and children are going to imitate either when they see it. Would you rather our kids go around f**king each other and having fun, or killing each other with their guns? To me it just seem so absurd that violence (bad!) is preferred over sex (good?) on American TV.

[Talladarr]

SoulRebel_1979 wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

Isn't this game rated Mature? Don't share it with your children. Case closed.

Exactly. It's like people who buy CDs with the Explicit Language sticker on the cover and then pop the CD in their car while their children are in the back seat and complain that the language is too harsh. 

I completely and totally agree

[GholaHalleck]

cindercatz wrote...
 DA's supposed to be adult, low fantasy fiction, but it seems like they're trying to find the perfect maximum amount of R-rated material that they can still get away with marketing to minors. Else, why the extremely awkward attempt to ride the fence in so many ways this time out?

One, not marketed to kids, that great big M on the corner there expressly means "Not for you lil timmy, go back to playing pokemon, where you can knife fight with sentiant creatures."

They toned down the other parts because of all the utter nonsense they've had to deal with when they don't. Sadly games, espically console games, are still stuck in the "Age ghetto" where they all "have" to be for children. The idea that an adult wants to play video games sails over people's heads. Maybe if it had not gone to consoles they could have gotten away with more, but who can say?
Hell, you can see it in this very thread. "I want to play this with my kids! wtf bioware?!" Really? Are you that guy who played GTA3 with your 7 year old and taught him how to get your money back after getting a "Lady of th eevening"? Some games are not for kids, but sadly, the companies need to pander to the "think of the children!" set or their games can get pulled from shelves.

*Edited for filtering... ah ha... fitting!

Modifié par GholaHalleck, 24 mars 2011 - 01:02 .

[Talladarr]

I think people should get off their high horses and get the **** over it. I'm an adult, and I love gaming. Case mother****ing closed