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[ad1dash0lm3s]

Invalidcode wrote...

The game is 18+.

Don't pull the children card, if one were a parent playing DA2 in front of their kid and they heard whatever you don't want them to, blame yourself!

Exactly! And unless your kids live a completely sheltered life they are hearing these words anyways whether it be outside, on tv, read them on the internet. They are in everyday life now a days.

[steelfire_dragon]

people swear in front of  kids all the time, learning it from a game is no different than walking down 34th and vine and hearing  some porn star swearing


as to the OT: is it, no, would it be out of place if it was not there, yes it would.


BTW I would not want toshare certain games with children, mine yours anyone elses.

[Talladarr]

The Minority wrote...
It didn't feel unnecessary in my opinion. Seemed like a believable amount of profanity to me. And for those who say "it's rated M or 18+", this doesn't always apply. For example I began playing M games at 12 years old, and 5 years later here I am as a decent human-being.

I', sorry, I know you're trying to agree with us here, but this is our point. M games are DESIGNED for 18+(or they're SUPPOSED to be) audiences in mind, hell, you have to show your ID just to buy an M rated game! I guess my point right now is that if children get their hands on these game, that isn't our problem, it's the problem of whoever GAVE that child the game.

The Minority wrote...
Point is, profanity isn't as bad as the blood, sex, and slavery in the game.

NONE of that is even remotely bad in this game. I've seen more explicit content visually on "How I Met Your Mother". As far as the blood, true, the enemies don't need to EXPLODE when you kill them with magic, but once again, RATED M. The best contrast for a rated M game SHOULD(weather it is or not is a different matter entirely) be an R rated movie. In that there's more cursing/swearing, pools of blood are the norm, and last I checked there were lots of movies about Rome/Egypt/ancient slave countries. On ALL fronts, this game was REALLY quite mild to be honest.

[nijnij]

I was much more shocked by the pools of blood and exploding people to be honest. I mean, words are just words. It says a lot about our society that people get more shocked about vocabulary and naked bodies than actual violence.

[Any0day]

nijnij wrote...

I was much more shocked by the pools of blood and exploding people to be honest. I mean, words are just words. It says a lot about our society that people get more shocked about vocabulary and naked bodies than actual violence.

I think this may be my last response, but this reply seems to sum up the amount of ignorance people replying have - I suppose it's asking too much to actually read the first page before replying.

This entire thread had really nothing to do with ''the children,'' nor did I display any ''shock'' toward profanity. You assume a lot, just like most posting on this thread - including what 'society' I may be apart of. Your reply along with so many others stating "this is an M-rated game, yada yada" just come off as foolish and asinine.

What this thread was about was questioning whether or not profanity (which includes more than just F-bombs) are generally appropriate to a fantasy setting from an artistic point of view. I'm sorry so many of you fail to grasp that concept.

Do you know why? Because you are complaining about the profanity... When you SHOULD have entitled the thread: "Did Bioware forget how to write?!" -.- Because through 7 pages of thread you are not complaining about the swearing persay (or so you continuesly say after page 1) but of how the writing is childish and maladroit . . . 

Which I completely agree with. I also think the swearing is absolutly necessary, just done porely and in bad taste. Though I didn't knotice it at all, coming from a family that swears at the dinner table. It made me giggle like a school child. I had problems with the REST of the game. 

Yes, perhaps I should have chosen my words better. I'm glad you agree.

Modifié par Any0day, 25 mars 2011 - 03:03 .

[nijnij]

Oops, I didn't mean it as a personal attack or anything, I mean, I'm part of society just as well as you are as far as I'm concerned, it was just a very general remark I was making... That we take violence for granted in fantasy games while profanity (which I'm not fond of at all to tell you the truth) comes off less realistic or more disturbing on an immersion point of view is interesting, that's all. I actually rather agree with your point. Ron Gilbert (creator of Monkey Island) said somewhere that how much mature content you put in a game tends to reflect how immature you are, I thought it was funny. Although I think the level of writing in DA2 improved in spite of that element.

If I keep offending people unwillingly I may stick to reading the boards...

Modifié par nijnij, 25 mars 2011 - 03:22 .

[Oliver Sudden]

Talladarr wrote...

I will give you that point, but that doesn't mean that rated M games are for the family, they're rated M for a freakin reason!

And that reason is ... catering to adolescent obsessions?

[Any0day]

nijnij wrote...

Oops, I didn't mean it as a personal attack or anything, I mean, I'm part of society just as well as you are as far as I'm concerned, it was just a very general remark I was making... That we take violence for granted in fantasy games while profanity (which I'm not fond of at all to tell you the truth) comes off less realistic or more disturbing on an immersion point of view is interesting, that's all. I actually rather agree with your point. Ron Gilbert (creator of Monkey Island) said somewhere that how much mature content you put in a game tends to reflect how immature you are, I thought it was funny. Although I think the level of writing in DA2 improved in spite of that element.

If I keep offending people unwillingly I may stick to reading the boards...

I appreciate you taking the time to actually read what was written, and no I wasn't offended. I suppose I'm just getting very defensive because around half the replies here say the exact same thing, and it isn't even directly responding to the original argument. Appologies if I came off as harsh 

[Fishy]

nijnij wrote...

I was much more shocked by the pools of blood and exploding people to be honest. I mean, words are just words. It says a lot about our society that people get more shocked about vocabulary and naked bodies than actual violence.

So you're going to let's your  kids call you name but he won't be able to play a violent video game?
It's just words like you said.Who care if your kid call your wife a ****.Just make sure he don't play violent game.

[Cutlass Jack]

The language was fine. In many cases it was completely appropriate. If pirates didnt swear constantly and talk about booty (both kinds) then something is terribly wrong. Likewise, people serving as grunts in the military.

As mentioned above the exploding bodies should concern people much more than some colorful dialogue.

[Sen4lifE]

Any0day wrote...

nijnij wrote...

I was much more shocked by the pools of blood and exploding people to be honest. I mean, words are just words. It says a lot about our society that people get more shocked about vocabulary and naked bodies than actual violence.

I think this may be my last response, but this reply seems to sum up the amount of ignorance people replying have - I suppose it's asking too much to actually read the first page before replying.

This entire thread had really nothing to do with ''the children,'' nor did I display any ''shock'' toward profanity. You assume a lot, just like most posting on this thread - including what 'society' I may be apart of. Your reply along with so many others stating "this is an M-rated game, yada yada" just come off as foolish and asinine.

What this thread was about was questioning whether or not profanity (which includes more than just F-bombs) are generally appropriate to a fantasy setting from an artistic point of view. I'm sorry so many of you fail to grasp that concept.

Do you know why? Because you are complaining about the profanity... When you SHOULD have entitled the thread: "Did Bioware forget how to write?!" -.- Because through 7 pages of thread you are not complaining about the swearing persay (or so you continuesly say after page 1) but of how the writing is childish and maladroit . . . 

Which I completely agree with. I also think the swearing is absolutly necessary, just done porely and in bad taste. Though I didn't knotice it at all, coming from a family that swears at the dinner table. It made me giggle like a school child. I had problems with the REST of the game. 

Yes, perhaps I should have chosen my words better. I'm glad you agree.

I understand your point of some things character's say may not be creative enough and resort to prophantity in moments where it might just seem childish.

On the other hand: you turned almost everyone away from your point as soon as you mentioned "especially people who want to share this with their kids."

[SirOccam]

Is the profanity necessary? Probably not, but then again neither is any particular word.

Is it natural? Yes. Does it indicate a lack of maturity? Not here, no.

Suprez30 wrote...

nijnij wrote...

I was much more shocked by the pools of blood and exploding people to be honest. I mean, words are just words. It says a lot about our society that people get more shocked about vocabulary and naked bodies than actual violence.

So you're going to let's your  kids call you name but he won't be able to play a violent video game?
It's just words like you said.Who care if your kid call your wife a ****.Just make sure he don't play violent game.

That makes no sense. A child cursing at his mother is indeed a problem that should concern parents, but not because of the word. How about because the child apparently has little to no respect for his or her parents? If a child said his or her mother was a moron, wouldn't that be just as bad? This is what bugs me about people's reactions to so-called "bad words." In most cases, if you take the offending word away, the problem will still be there (if indeed there was a problem there to begin with.)

For example, someone using a racial slur is a problem, sure, but the problem isn't in their diction. It's in their bigotry, racism, and/or insensitivity. Those things wouldn't magically disappear if you somehow succeeded in banning them from using a particular word.

On the other hand, I don't think any of the profanity in DA2 was a problem in the first place. The game would not be better if Cassandra interrupted Varric with "Baloney!" or something like that. It would just sound lame and artificially whitewashed. The language used should reflect characters' true emotions and state of mind. And the truth is, most people curse from time to time. Some people overdo it, sure, but then again, some people's irrational fear of certain words is equally immature. At that moment, "bullsh*t" really was the right word for her to use.

[halO bendeR]

I didn't notice a 'problem' with profanity in my playthrough of the game; Compare it to other M rated titles like Gears of War, and I think you'll find it was rather reserved.
Isabela's comments made sense given her background and personality, some other characters I don't think swore at all.
I don't see how the inclusion of profanity is indicative of the quality of the writing one way or the other; It's all in how you use it.

Personally I enjoyed many of the characters and quests this time around more than I did in DA:O. It really bugs me that people who don't like the game will matter-of-factly throw out the idea that DA2's quality of writing has suffered without backing it up with proof.
To me, it seems more like an attempt to poison the well to further support the notion that DA2 is a poor quality game. Please, if you disagree with me, provide me with proof that such is not the case.

Modifié par halO bendeR, 25 mars 2011 - 06:12 .

[mousestalker]

I must admit I very much prefer profanity along these lines

[Zkyire]

It's ridiculous that there has been an EIGHT PAGE DISCUSSION over whether there should be swearing in a game made for ADULTS.

[AkiKishi]

I just seem to tune it out. The only line I remember is the don't **** with Aria line from ME2. Probably because it really drew attention to itself.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 25 mars 2011 - 06:38 .

[ToJKa1]

Sitting here now, i can't remember a single instance of swearing in DA2. So i apparently don't find it out of place.

[DSGrant]

Personally, I felt the level of profanity in the game was appropriate. It wasn't over the top, and it was generally used in key moments of dialogue that helped emphasize a dramatic event.

I was however disappointed by the toned down romance scenes. In Origins, they at least get down to their underwear when they are about to have sex. In DA2, it's like some heavy make-out session (even though it's made fairly clear that they had sex). I applauded Bioware for taking that brave step in Origins; but I lost a little respect for them when they pandered to the parental outcry over that in DA2. Parents (me being one of them) shouldn't buy their kids a very appropriately rated mature game and then turn around and complain about what's in it.

Ok, I'll slowly step away from the soapbox now.....

[nijnij]

@OP : it's okay, next time I'll try to contextualize a little more ^^.

Modifié par nijnij, 25 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[Knal1991]

mousestalker wrote...

I must admit I very much prefer profanity along these lines

I'd agree  XD

[barenas]

QwibQwib wrote...

This game isn't meant for -18

Most kids under 18 hear a lot worse at school or in their neighborhood.

[My name is Sam]

It amazes me how horrible most of you are at reading.
The OP wasn't speaking on behalf of his children, he specifically stated otherwise, and this thread isn't about Violence vrs. Cussing.
I suggest rereading the entire first page, and perhaps you'll all realize your error?

[Merced652]

simfamSP wrote...

If the game contains mature content, it is up to the parents to decide weather his child is mature enough to view such content. Play the game yourself and then you will see. To me, age is very overrated (if that's the appropriate term) I can easily point out children at the age of 12-15 who are more mature than an adult of 21. And when I say mature I mean in it in a very general sense.

People confuse seriousness and maturity to often. In the case of DA2...Well I disagree with you entirely, but if gives me no right to 'bash' or 'flame' you. If a game says it's 18 it's 18.

If you refer to logic. Well the medieval fantasy has evolved from the Lord of the Rings. Aslong as swearing is used cleverly I see no reason not to use it. But if a conversation leads to this:

Varric: Hawke you ****ing idiot
Hawke: **** you and your mum
Varric: Your dead
Hawke: Don't insult my dead you mother****ing asslicking ****
Varric: Dude I was just joking
Hawke: Ok lulz

Then I understand... But it's not so then; no.

You know i almost want to say that would've been an improvement. 

[Any0day]

halO bendeR wrote...

I didn't notice a 'problem' with profanity in my playthrough of the game; Compare it to other M rated titles like Gears of War, and I think you'll find it was rather reserved.

Why would I want to compare Dragon Age to Gears Of War? How about we compare Star Craft 2 with Half Life(?). They're apples and oranges. I've already stated: if I'm playing a game such as Grand Theft Auto, Bad Company, or even Mass Effect, I may expect modernized profanity given the culture it was derived with respect to. --- and I like those games! If I'm unwinding from a long day at work and need something funny, maybe I'll throw on GTA4 and do funny things because I enjoy that type of maturity level for that particular genre. That doesn't mean that particular level of maturity is something I expect or accept in other differing genres; such as fantasy. I've always equated fantasy with puzzles and intellectual challenges (notice by the way there were no puzzles or riddles in this game, felt really cheapened by that); what I don't expect is Avaline calling everyone a son of a **** - a word funny enough I can't say on these forums.

Isabela's comments made sense given her background and personality, some other characters I don't think swore at all. 
I don't see how the inclusion of profanity is indicative of the quality of the writing one way or the other; It's all in how you use it.

All characters swore to an extent throughout the game - and modern swearing stands out like a swore thumb in medieval fantasy, especially when they mix it with this sort of fantasy vocabulary. You can definitely argue that it's just Isabela's character, but honestly - does it belong, is the question. Would it makes sense to throw a suit of armor on say, Niko from grand theft auto, and throw him in as a party member? - Your argument also doesn't really level up either when you take into account that it isn't just Isabela that swears; although she might be the main offender, she's no where near the only contributor.  You are right, though, if it's used correctly, it can be very powerful.

Personally I enjoyed many of the characters and quests this time around more than I did in DA:O. It really bugs me that people who don't like the game will matter-of-factly throw out the idea that DA2's quality of writing has suffered without backing it up with proof.

I think the game aswell as many examples from the past and other titles in the genre can be proof enough. At any rate, I was dissappointed with the overall story (lack of maturity aside) - and my view on the game overall is already up in the sticky.

Modifié par Any0day, 25 mars 2011 - 10:23 .