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[thendcomes]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

there is no difference in the ARW chest by taking the loan or not taking the loan

Unless you can prove this, you should desist making this claim.  At the very least, you should entertain the possibility (or probability) that taking the offer will lower the Deep Roads payload.  

In my 5 playthroughs, the difference between getting ~5g and ~20g has been accepting Dougal's offer or financing yourself.  The official strategy guide, although not right in a few cases, also corroborates these findings on page 55 when it says "Due to the slight reduction in profits from the Deep Roads expedition, you should only accept his offer if..."

[SuicidalBaby]

there is no difference in the ARW chests by taking the loan or not taking the loan

[thendcomes]

proof?

[rumination888]

Seems to be based on your level. I did a quick Deep Roads run at level 19(cheated, obviously) and gained ~25 gold at the end. No rune of fortune either.

Modifié par rumination888, 14 mai 2011 - 02:23 .

[thendcomes]

That doesn't explain away the dichotomous payload, but it's certainly possible. I was level 14 and got just under 22g both times I financed, with ROF. Maybe your level being higher than mine increased the payout?

[SuicidalBaby]

The game doesnt change if I have what you call proof or not. I ran the deep roads twice after the discusion started without rof or +better item. I was also specifically talking about the chests at the very end, not overall payout of the deep roads. Which your precious book couldn't be more wrong about.

I have 2 legal pad pages full of identical level drops from 2 runs. One financed by Dougal, one not. There is 1 small difference which is simply a random rare from the chest that produces random rares, which happen to drop on the financed run.

The ARW is completely random regardless of the loan as drops vary from 7.59g with max rof/+coin to 37.37s with no rof.

The Crypt Treasure chest is fixed, coin and items. It is unaffected by RoF, +better equipment, taking the loan, or not taking the loan.

The back center chest is entirely random beyond the 4 trash drops. It can drop gold either way. On several occasions it has dropped +3.40g while I was maxing rof, +coin, and better items. It has also given nothing but trash.

The financed chests value were:
left: 4.05g right: 4.12g

The unfinanced chests value were:
left: 4.17g right: 4.32

If that minuteness is the difference youre going to hang your hat on....

My word is my proof.
Again, there is no difference in the ARW chests by taking the loan or not taking the loan.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 14 mai 2011 - 09:53 .

[SuicidalBaby]

In my 5 playthroughs....

"To me, you are a slug in the sun. You are privy to a great becoming but you recognize nothing. You are an ant in the afterbirth. Before me you rightly tremble. But you owe me more than fear. YOU OWE ME AWE."

bit dramatic, but I think you get the point.

[motoko2000]

stumbled on this thread through google searching... amazing guide, *just what I needed* : concise precise and rigorous.

thanks a lot for taking the time to test all of this, Suicidalbaby and AKODin!! *off to blood mage compendium linked in your sig*

[AKOdin]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

The unfinanced chests value were:
left: 4.17g right: 4.32

In the interests of more data- My most recent unfinanced chest values were:

left: 5.21 g right: 5.06 g.

(Had max RoF gear)

Modifié par AKOdin, 21 mai 2011 - 08:16 .

[thendcomes]

SuicidialBaby wrote...
My word is my proof. 

Who do you think you are that your word is enough to silence a discussion?  Are you a developer?  Anyway, data is proof.  The trend I saw on my playthroughs was worth questioning your unsupported claim, and you provided data. 

SuicidialBaby wrote...
The ARW is completely random regardless of the loan as drops vary from 7.59g with max rof/+coin to 37.37s with no rof.

That looks about what I've seen too, although I was able to get over 8g.  I had just under 36% increased gold (1 rof on chest, although could be 2 if I had Sir Isaac's, 1 head, 1 boots, 2 glove, 1 amulet, 1 belt, 3 shield, 1 on varric).

SuicidialBaby wrote...
The Crypt Treasure chest is fixed, coin and items. It is unaffected by RoF, +better equipment, taking the loan, or not taking the loan.

I can't contest this for sure, although I was pretty sure I received different amounts from the Crypt chest in different playthroughs.  For instance, in an earlier post I mentioned receiving 8g from the Crypt chest, and my last playthrough I received over 10.  Do you know if accepting the demon's offer or not has any impact?

SuicidialBaby wrote...
The financed chests value were:
left: 4.05g right: 4.12g

The unfinanced chests value were:
left: 4.17g right: 4.32

Also in the interest of adding more data, on my very last playthrough, I financed and got just under 6g in both chests, with 36% extra gold.

[SuicidalBaby]

Who do you think you are that your word is enough to silence a discussion?
You have a serious case of not identifying the subject of a sentence. I was talking about the chests, just the chests, being altered by the variable of taking the loan. You were taking about the payout of the entire deep roads. Now, as one might affect the other, they are not the same thing. Stop confusing the statement. What I did post was already evident if I had posted it or not by simply playing the game. Given equal levels, the value in the chests remains the same if the loan is taken or not. It was not to silence the discussion, but clarify a point of confusion in order to discover what the loan does affect.

Are you a developer?
Nope, just the guy playing the game who is paying attention to how it works and responding to those who ask questions with the knowledge I have accumulated. What I stated didnt need to be proven so much as observed.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 15 mai 2011 - 10:26 .

[tivadar27]

I'd like to post a suggestion for the initial guide.  I believe you've stated that this is a guide strictly if you want to make a lot of money, and not for things like optimizing builds.  I'd agree, that's as it should be.  Given that, I think having info like "Visit Hightown Apparel: Buy Backpack" is a bit superfluous.  Sure, most people are going to buy the backpacks in the game, but it's certainly not a requirement for making a lot of gold.  Also, I'd suggest removing the additional clearing out of areas (Sundermount, up to Eustice's Pommel).  The first time I went through this, I actually thought that there was a crafting resource near the Pommel that I had to make it to.  Granted, if I had paid a bit more attention, this wouldn't have happened, but still, I'm not sure it belongs in the guide.

Perhaps one way to handle it, if you really want to have this information present, is to add a section below the basic guide to include additional suggestions (such as clearing out Sundermount when you're there).  Also, not looting the Sundermount corpses should *definitely* be put in the body of the guide and not as a footnote...

I will say, the guide is awesome.  Just wanted to post a couple suggestions.

[Mr_Raider]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

 Enemy drops are not generated till death and are, for the vast majority, random.

Is it at death or on looting the corpse? I.e. can I swap my RoF gear after the battle.

[thendcomes]

You can swap in RoF gear after the battle. The gold and drops are generated at death, but the +gold modifier isn't accounted for until you loot.

[Kaylord]

Could you add some cornerstone sums, how much money you could make with your guide at the end of each act? Just wondering if its worth for example to put two fortune runes on Fenris or better give him spirit oder fire runes for running around under mage aoe.

[SuicidalBaby]

1 spirit ward = 90% when placed in companion's armor
1 RoF = 10% more coin when placed in companion's armor

there are testimonials throughout this thread concerning accumulated wealth.

[thendcomes]

Finished another play through, this time a solo archer.  I used the console to swap in companion "RoF bots" to loot, however at no point did I abuse the console to enable extra gold making that was not possible in a game where the console was disabled.  This had the advantage of being able to sell accessories and weapons that my archer would not be using, as well as armor upgrades that had no rune slot.  Also I was able to keep a party of Varric & Aveline for Act 1, and Varric, Aveline, and Fenris for Act 2 and 3, which maximized profits.  

Act 1:

I immediately bought Varric's Armor and Amulet of Influence and rushed RoF.  Then I put 3 RoF into Rosamund's and any gear I was planning on having for a while.  Unfortunately I don't have Sir Isaac's Armor so that would have been 10% extra gold for practically the whole act.  

Total spent: 95.43g

Going into Deep Roads, I had around 60g, which means I made about 150g in Act 1 pre Deep Roads. 

Act 2

I don't remember how much money I had to start Act 2, so I don't know how much I made in the Deep Roads.  I'll speculate and say 40g.  To start Act 2, I bought Fenris' two armor immediately, and rushed Family Matter for Varric's armor upgrade and Raiders on the Cliff for Aveline's.  After that I was sitting at a little under 100% +coin for all of Act 2.

Total spent: 121g

I finished the Act around 200g, which means I made about 221g in Act 2. 

Act 3

Rushed Varric and Fenris' last Armor upgrade.  I was sitting on around 110% +gold until I picked up the Robes and Rune of Valiance, at which point I switched.  Still, I was swapping out the good stuff for RoF gear on big payloads.  Eg. the crates in Castillion's Landing had around 33-35g with all my gear, and either of the other 2 would occasionally have 12g.  

Total: 520g

In my game right now before The Last Straw, I have 38g.  Which means I made around 358g during Act 3 !  

Total gold made in game: about 769g.  I dinged 26 as I went around opening the last chests that I had left.

Modifié par thendcomes, 27 mai 2011 - 03:05 .

[Zharkhan]

Soooooo, im in the beginning of Act 2 and I only have around 10G. I dont have any rune of fortunes b/c I got DA2 Sig Ed recently and PSN is down so I cant go to Black Emporium. Will I be able to make 250G (for the robe and staff for blood mage) in time? should i wait for the PSN store to be back up so I can go to black emporium and buy the runes or can i continue playing and still make the 250G by Act 3? Any suggestions/advice?

[AKOdin]

250g in the last two acts? Yes, you should have no problem clearing that amount, even without RoF's. To be sure you have enough, follow standard tactics- ie, don't buy any consumables (like potions or bombs), look everywhere, etc...

How do you only have 10g in the "beginning of Act 2?" How far into the "beginning" are you?

[Kaylord]

Thanks! Helps really a lot!!

[Zharkhan]

AKOdin wrote...

250g in the last two acts? Yes, you should have no problem clearing that amount, even without RoF's. To be sure you have enough, follow standard tactics- ie, don't buy any consumables (like potions or bombs), look everywhere, etc...

How do you only have 10g in the "beginning of Act 2?" How far into the "beginning" are you?

well i didn't know how costly the final equipments for blood mage would be so I wasted quite a lot on compaion armors and other staves. But thanks! thats helps a lot! I'll try to get RoF as soon as PSN store comes back up...

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Is there a chance of there being minor updates to the guide for the new Item Packs?

[SuicidalBaby]

not unless someone else comes up with them. I am not buying that DLC.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Well I only mention it because Courage (Shield in the Warrior Pack) is another 2 Slot Shield that scales up throughout the game. Also believe the armor that comes in all of the sets is better than Ser. Issac's armor and Blood Dragon sets

[SuicidalBaby]

you should read the faq.