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[SmokePants]

Rivercurse wrote...

SmokePants wrote...
 It's really not a hard concept to buy.

Then buy it all you like.  I however, dont see it happening.

There's really nothing to "buy". Either you understand how osteogenesis works or you don't. There are several modern manufacturing techniques that "grow" metal by encouraging free metal atoms to stick to and coat a metal object or surface. You might not see it happening, but it's happening. Being stubborn isn't going to make you right.

I just find it kind of ridiculous, out of all the completely impossible things in the ME universe that no one ever talks about, the most nit-picked ideas are the ones that are actually plausible.

Modifié par SmokePants, 24 mars 2011 - 01:13 .

[Rivercurse]

You're misunderstanding me. I have no knowledge (nor interest) about whether it's possible to grow metal irl. I wouldn't know what field of study osteogenesis even relates to but I can tell you right now, it wouldn't be my thing. My initial post related to the concept of the Reapers metallic shells growing throughout their life cycle. In terms of the ME canon, I can't see that happening, nor being relevant to anything even if it did

[Ahriman]

Rivercurse wrote...

I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

[P3G4SU5]

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...
I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

Whenever I see this image I ask myself how the developers went from this to the terminator model we see in the game. The organism in this concept image actually looks like a Reaper organism and seems to capture the whole idea of the Reapers growing new offspring from human material so much better than the metallic, three-eyed rip-off we were presented with.

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 24 mars 2011 - 03:07 .

[Fat Headed Wolf]

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...
I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

Whenever I see this image I ask myself how the developers went from this to the terminator model we see in the game. The organism in this concept image actually looks like a Reaper organism and seems to capture the whole idea of the Reapers growing new offspring from human material so much better than the metallic, three-eyed rip-off we were presented with.

I would guess one of the reasons they scrapped it was because it would be kinda hard to fight. Looking at it, I don't see how it would move or what-not. Still, I prefer it to the final design. I don't see why we couldn't have had it instead. 

[P3G4SU5]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...
I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.

*Snip*

How about this?

Whenever I see this image I ask myself how the developers went from this to the terminator model we see in the game. The organism in this concept image actually looks like a Reaper organism and seems to capture the whole idea of the Reapers growing new offspring from human material so much better than the metallic, three-eyed rip-off we were presented with.

I would guess one of the reasons they scrapped it was because it would be kinda hard to fight. Looking at it, I don't see how it would move or what-not. Still, I prefer it to the final design. I don't see why we couldn't have had it instead.

There didn't necessarily need to be an end boss fight with the Reaper larva IMO, even so, an end boss fight could have been managed differently without actually involving the Reaper larva.

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 24 mars 2011 - 03:23 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

But why give terminator baby eyes if it's not going to use them?

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

But why give terminator baby eyes if it's not going to use them?

Ssssssshhhhhh......

Just go with it......

[jamesp81]

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...
I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

Whenever I see this image I ask myself how the developers went from this to the terminator model we see in the game. The organism in this concept image actually looks like a Reaper organism and seems to capture the whole idea of the Reapers growing new offspring from human material so much better than the metallic, three-eyed rip-off we were presented with.

Agree that this is awesome concept art.  It is also....extremely disturbing.  Not HR Giger disturbing, but getting there.

[Merchant2006]

I really do think that would have been far more effective in the endgame. Sure it seems really odd for it to detach and then fight you, but it'd have been awesome instead of the giant T>9000 Termireaper. Anyhow, what's done is done I guess.

I also like that theory of Reapers growing. I'm sure we'll definately find out in Mass Effect 3 regarding how the Reapers come to be etc etc but the fact that Reapers are a hybrid organic-synthetic being I wouldn't be surprised if the Reapers could 'evolve' and grow to a certain extent. Cool aid.

[noisecode]

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...
I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

Whenever I see this image I ask myself how the developers went from this to the terminator model we see in the game. The organism in this concept image actually looks like a Reaper organism and seems to capture the whole idea of the Reapers growing new offspring from human material so much better than the metallic, three-eyed rip-off we were presented with.

I'm probably the only person in exhistance who saw the human reaper and thought "That makes sense; it's a reaper, and the Grim Reaper has a Skeleton face, so this one does."

Terminator rip off never entered my mind.  To each thier own; i suppose everyone sees things differently.

[Ashlag]

Merchant2006 wrote...



I really do think that would have been far more effective in the endgame. Sure it seems really odd for it to detach and then fight you, but it'd have been awesome instead of the giant T>9000 Termireaper. Anyhow, what's done is done I guess.

I also like that theory of Reapers growing. I'm sure we'll definately find out in Mass Effect 3 regarding how the Reapers come to be etc etc but the fact that Reapers are a hybrid organic-synthetic being I wouldn't be surprised if the Reapers could 'evolve' and grow to a certain extent. Cool aid.

This looks very husklike, which I like. Sort of husk-fetus hybrid thing. I think it would have been really cool in the game. But I was ok with the terminator-baby my first playthrough of ME2, it just got dumb the next couple of times.

[Hathur]

Regarding the "metal doesn't grow" comments.. technically that's not true.. it does .. or can... grow. Most known metals are highly malleable (hence why humans love them).. they can be shaped, sculpted, expanded, shrunk.

One needs only take a 1 foot long iron rod and apply strong heat to it for some time and you can easily turn that 1 foot long rod into a 3 foot or longer rod... albeit, thinner. Granted the metal hasn't increased in mass, but it sitll altered its shape and size.

Also, we're basing the notion or concept that metal "can't grow" on current understandings of physics... as a species we have a long way to go when it comes to understanding the universe (let alone our own Earth which we still know almost nothing about if it isn't on the planet's surface).. Who's to say technology couldn't be developed that allows metal to grow in the conventional sense (increased mass, molecules etc.. the way organic life grows)...

It's not a far stretch to say that nanites couldn't be used to introduce additional material to a metal at the molecular level to thereby cause "growth" in it (a genuine increase in mass as opposed to mere expansion).

Modifié par Hathur, 24 mars 2011 - 06:25 .

[Tilarta]

P3G4SU5 wrote...

OP - What did you mean by, "Sovereign was mistaken for a Reaper spaceship several times until the truth was discovered."? Don't you mean Geth?

It depends on who you ask.

I'm not counting the Council's opinion, since they are so desperate to believe the Geth are responsible, they have convinced themselves of a complete and utter improbality: that a vessel so far beyond the technology of any galactic power could have been created by the Geth.

I'm actually going from the opinions of those who were closer to the truth and actually knew that Sovereign had something to do with the Reapers, even if they didn't know exactly what.

To quote the line Commander Shepherd delivers when meeting Sovereign:
"Sovereign isn't just some Reaper spaceship Saren found, it's an actual Reaper!"
Which indicates that the team knew something nobody else did.

As for living metal, it is technically possible.
Metals have a similar molecular structure to viruses, so it wouldn't take much to create a "living metal" if you knew how.
Also, most of our blood is composed of an iron based molecule (haemoglobin), so if living metal wasn't possible, we'd be dying of oxygen starvation right now.

I'm assuming the Reapers somehow have the technology to fuse the organic characteristics of donor tissue and the technological aspect of the mechanical parts to create a living machine.

As for why the Reaper is not really shaped like a human if it managed to fully mature, I imagine Reapers have favored the "cuttlefish" shape and have specified this is the shape the mature Reaper will take, regardless of the donor DNA the source genetic material comes from.
As long as the Reaper possesses the DNA of the host species, it's still going have the characteristics the Reapers desired, even if it looks like every other Reaper.
Also, most beings have a common skeletal structure, ribs, skull, spine etc.
The Reapers probably have a process to integrate this "skeleton" into a Reaper shell, regardless of the different shapes the DNA fusion causes it to take (I'm imagining the DNA forms the Reaper material into an imitation of the living being it's being sourced from).

But this would result in certain Reapers having different shapes, depending on which species the DNA is sourced from.

Harbinger has a blunter nose and 4 yellow "eyes" on his "head", which sets him apart from the other Reapers.
I'm theorizing he is a Prothean Reaper, created much in the same manner as the Human Reaper, which could explain the differences in his appearance.
If this is true, he's the youngest Reaper, the first to be completed in relatively recent times.

I'm assuming most of the other Reapers are from older races that were culled in previous times.
Or possibly not at all, if the Reapers only create a new Reaper when they find a race worthy of converting into a Reaper.

With all the races the Reapers have destroyed, only the Keepers and the Protheans were worth keeping around as slaves?
Well, the Keepers are off that list now, the Reapers want to kill them because the Protheans broke their link to the Reapers.

[AcidRelic]

Rivercurse wrote...

I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

They are FAR more advanced in technology, maybe some form of nanotech or something that keeps them growing as they age or just when they need to?? They are also part organic and organics grow.

What I find odd is that so many look alike but from what I understood from lore, maybe
I'm wrong, is each reaper represents a different race that was .... converted
into a reaper like we saw and destroyed.

Modifié par AcidRelic, 24 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Have any of you had a good look at the inside of the derelict reaper Specifically the structure above the spike cluster (where you can have the conversation).

You can see the form of something i think is the derelict reapers larvae hanging from the ceiling, it looks rather insectoid with a pointy head and something that looks like it could be eyes.

Damn i haven't got a save in that area so i could make a vid of it

[CroGamer002]

Nice theory.

[GreenDragon37]

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

This was a thousand times better than what we saw in the end. It actually feels... creepy. It's not a terminator. I wonder what made them change?

[Heavensrun]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

This was a thousand times better than what we saw in the end. It actually feels... creepy. It's not a terminator. I wonder what made them change?

In addition to other points that have been made about the ability of the thing to move and be fightable (and honestly, the only reason it resembles a "terminator" is because they both resemble a human skeleton, anyway)  I imagine there might have been some undesirable controversy in having the end boss of your game be a giant human fetus.

[GreenDragon37]

Heavensrun wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

This was a thousand times better than what we saw in the end. It actually feels... creepy. It's not a terminator. I wonder what made them change?

In addition to other points that have been made about the ability of the thing to move and be fightable (and honestly, the only reason it resembles a "terminator" is because they both resemble a human skeleton, anyway)  I imagine there might have been some undesirable controversy in having the end boss of your game be a giant human fetus.

Screw the controversy! They should have gone ahead with it! It would have truly been... creepy.

[DxWill10]

Harbinger has a blunter nose and 4 yellow "eyes" on his "head", which sets him apart from the other Reapers.
I'm theorizing he is a Prothean Reaper, created much in the same manner as the Human Reaper, which could explain the differences in his appearance.

I'm assuming most of the other Reapers are from older races that were culled in previous times.
Or possibly not at all, if the Reapers only create a new Reaper when they find a race worthy of converting into a Reaper.
.

I doubt Harbinger is a prothean reaper. 1st off, he's the leader, and I have a feeling he's been the leader longer than 1 extinction cycle.  Also, EDI specifically states she believes they attempted to make a prothean reaper, and failed.  She's only speculating, but I'm thinking whatever EDI says is true.

Modifié par DxWill10, 25 mars 2011 - 01:48 .

[Bluko]

Having a proper sense of scale will help you a lot...



Seriously it's not that difficult to comprehend how the Reaper larva could end up looking like the other Reapers when it is finished, cause it's so freaking tiny it could fit in a leg a segement of a fully grown Reaper!

[Tilarta]

Wow, it'd have to grow a lot to become a fully grown Reaper then.

No wonder all the races culled by the Reapers went extinct, you'd practically have to melt down an entire species to get just one Reaper.

[Gentleman Moogle]

There was a theory going around a while back that the "Bug" structure of the reapers wasn't actually the true reaper, but was more akin to a carrying device. Armour, weapons, holds for the Husks, stuff like that. Kinda like Power Armour for a real Reaper, while the "Core" was what actually was the True Reaper.

The way I've always looked at it; the Baby Reaper wasn't that much bigger than the Reaper Core we fought in the damaged reaper in the IFF mission, and the method of killing it was the same. I think the "Reaper" is actually the core, and the rest of it is just a gigantic ship made to carry the thing.

[Pwener2313]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

P3G4SU5 wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...
I don't really buy the idea of metal growing..

Nobody has still posted original concept art, strange.



How about this?

Whenever I see this image I ask myself how the developers went from this to the terminator model we see in the game. The organism in this concept image actually looks like a Reaper organism and seems to capture the whole idea of the Reapers growing new offspring from human material so much better than the metallic, three-eyed rip-off we were presented with.

I would guess one of the reasons they scrapped it was because it would be kinda hard to fight. Looking at it, I don't see how it would move or what-not. Still, I prefer it to the final design. I don't see why we couldn't have had it instead. 

Not really, just put Shep and squad in one of those floating honeycombs and have us shoot at different weak spots while the Collectors and the Reaper shoot at us.