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[Sanguinerin]

I believe it's the Deep Roads concept art that has a group of four standing in the hall. One of the figures resembles a Qunari, because it appears to have horns. Couple that with the Ketojan quest, and perhaps someone could read into it that he was supposed to be more than he was.

That little coupling plus knowing that other aspects in the game were cut for whatever reason could also lead to further speculation.

I never thought that we would have Qunari companions, but it doesn't seem far-fetched that a Qunari companion would be possible. We had Sten in Origins, and the Qunari--like the mages--were quite integral to the story. We had mage companions and could be one, so adding in the tensions of a Qunari companion could feel like a possibility. It could have been an interesting and suspicious path for Hawke, particularly with Kirkwallers such as Petrice.

Modifié par HallowedWarden, 25 avril 2011 - 06:43 .

[Eveangaline]

I would have loved ketojan as a companion. T_T or even just being able to leave him alive.

[Beerfish]

Kejotans favorite song:

Can you hear them
They talk about us
Telling lies
Well that's no surprise

Can you see them
See right through them
They have no shield
No secrets to reveal

It doesn't matter what they say
In the jealous games people play
Our lips are sealed

[Lightpanda]

Tielis wrote...

His lips are sewn shut. *shudder*

Thus making party banter...erm...hmm....

[_Aine_]

Now that I have had plenty to time to deal with it, I am happy it was the way it was. Profoundly telling about the followers of the Qun, really...

... but at the time? I went back and redid that section over and over and over exhausting every option, trying to get him to be a secret companion, or set him free, or something!

It is poignant the way it is though. Fantastic character and quest.

[High Octane 881]

Shepharding wolves was simultaneously one of my favorite and least favorite parts of the game. I found myself BEGGING to have Ketojan as a party member by the end of it. 1) because of his potential complexity, being effectively brainwashed into adhearing to and accepting a way of life that leaves him a tortured soul viewed as little more than a tool. 2) I'm sorry for anyone that feels differently but Qunari are just BAD ASS.

I'm surprised that i have such a different standpoint regarding the Qunari than many of the people here. I found the Qunari as a people to be a respectable community once i had come to understand them a little better and even the Arishokk seems to have redeemable qualities. I would love to delve further into the Qunari culture throughout the continuation of Dragon Age (DA3 location?) and was quite upset to not be given the opportunity to side with one.

On that note (excuse my ignorance) why does Sten appear so drastically different than the other Qunari. Is he a half-breed?

[bossk-office]

In Origins, I remember we could give paintings to Sten and he would appreciate fine art. There was more to him than just being mindless. He represented another culture, very different and alien yet not totally devoid of things we could relate to. In DA2, the Qunari are all simply jerks.

I know you could object to this, saying we only get to see a small subset of Qunari in DA2, but still, if all we get to see in the whole game are the jerks, the whole Qunari nation does come across as a bunch of jerks. To me, Ketojan is just another screwed-up weirdo. I have to work pretty hard to remind myself he would appreciate a pretty portrait of a goosegirl ... hell, I can’t even do it. Good riddance to him.

[Emperor Iaius I]

If he didn't immolate himself, I wouldn't have gotten his awesome blood magic enhancing amulet.

I mean, if he were a party member I could have, but since he was never intended to, self-immolation is the best outcome for everybody.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Vech24 wrote...

The wiki indicates that "Bioware had originally intended Ketojan as a potential party member but the idea was scrapped."

A shame really...I'm guessing it was a time constraint thing?

Er...no. He was never planned as a party member. I have no idea where people are getting that idea from. Every party member we intended is in the game.

Except Sebastian. 

[mesmerizedish]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

If he didn't immolate himself, I wouldn't have gotten his awesome blood magic enhancing amulet.

I mean, if he were a party member I could have, but since he was never intended to, self-immolation is the best outcome for everybody.

Hmm. I agree. Thought, that's because I'm a proponent of freedom, and it was his choice to die by the Qun.

[Paraxial]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
and it was his choice to die by the Qun.

That was a confusing moment. He believes so strongly in the Qun that he would die because it tells him to do so, it offers him the choice to live without honor or die with it. However his death is so pointless, the fear the Qunari have of mages is so extreme that their magi are barely allowed to exist.

Ketojan went out with honor and by his own free will, honor before reason for better and for worse.

[mesmerizedish]

Bible Doctor wrote...

That was a confusing moment. He believes so strongly in the Qun that he would die because it tells him to do so, it offers him the choice to live without honor or die with it. However his death is so pointless, the fear the Qunari have of mages is so extreme that their magi are barely allowed to exist.

Ketojan went out with honor and by his own free will, honor before reason for better and for worse.

I agree. It doesn't fit into my (or my character's) idea of honor or right. But, he's not forcing anything on anyone else. I fought with his captors, because I think that social relativism doesn't really apply when you're inflicting such things on others, whether or not they willingly submit to it. But by the same token, I couldn't force Ketojan to do anything at all reagarding what he did with himself. He exercised a choice, that harmed no one but himself. I wouldn't dream of forcing an intervention.

Of course, reasoned disagreement is perfectly acceptable. But that clearly didn't work

[Mary Kirby]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...


Er...no. He was never planned as a party member. I have no idea where people are getting that idea from. Every party member we intended is in the game.

Except Sebastian. 

Sebastian doesn't fit either criteria.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...


Er...no. He was never planned as a party member. I have no idea where people are getting that idea from. Every party member we intended is in the game.

Except Sebastian. 

Sebastian doesn't fit either criteria.

So you never intended for Sebastian to be in Dragon Age 2, despite advertising his DLC months before Dragon Age 2 was released?

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 27 avril 2011 - 03:46 .

[mesmerizedish]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

So you never intended for Sebastian to be in Dragon Age 2, despite advertising his DLC months before Dragon Age 2 was released?

Maybe what she means is that he wasn't planned to be in the game and is not in the game? Because he was always planned as DLC and is DLC?

[Fruit of the Doom]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

So you never intended for Sebastian to be in Dragon Age 2, despite advertising his DLC months before Dragon Age 2 was released?

Maybe what she means is that he wasn't planned to be in the game and is not in the game? Because he was always planned as DLC and is DLC?

Ah, they intentionally omitted him from the game so we would have to pay an extra $7 for an archer.

Did they intentionally omit the ending too?  I wonder how much that will cost...

[Maria Caliban]

If you claim DLC *is* part of the game then you can't say that Sebastian isn't part of the game. Likewise, if DLC *isn't* part of the game, then Sebastian was probably not intended to be part of the game.

[mesmerizedish]

I think the point is that he was not, in fact, omitted as he was always intended to be additional content. And I quite liked the ending. It makes me optimistic that DAIII won feature Hawke as a protagonist.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 27 avril 2011 - 03:57 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

It would qualify as "additional content" if they developed him after the game was released.

They rather obviously developed him long before, and deliberately omitted him from the game so they could charge us extra money for him.

[Sundance31us]

I would have gladly traded Isabela for Ketojan if that had been an option.

[High Octane 881]

Bible Doctor wrote...
That was a confusing moment. He believes so strongly in the Qun that he would die because it tells him to do so, it offers him the choice to live without honor or die with it. However his death is so pointless, the fear the Qunari have of mages is so extreme that their magi are barely allowed to exist.

Ketojan went out with honor and by his own free will, honor before reason for better and for worse.

This is precisely why i would love to see another (more Qunari) Qunari party member! Well ok....in a roundabout way. Imagine that kind of devotion: willingness to die simply for existing outside the will of your master, except funnelled into a more fulfilling endeavor. The Tal Vashoth already exist but as an entity in themself even though they are not of the Qun. I personaly feel it is not so farfetched to assume that the hero in an upcoming installment of DA could perchance across a wandering Qunari who has abandoned the Qun in search of closure for his (insert motivating and possibly selfish obsession). The hero would then be able to not only delve deeper in the understanding of the Qunari ways but also gain a powerful ally/rival as he chooses to assist in/dissuade the Lone Qunari's quest.

[Paraxial]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
They rather obviously developed him long before, and deliberately omitted him from the game so they could charge us extra money for him.

It bothers me that you are shocked by this. Bioware/EA did this with Origins and Mass Effect 2 as well. They'll probably do it with Mass Effect 3 too, strange practice I agree but it's going to happen regardless of the ****ing we do on the forums.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Bible Doctor wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...
They rather obviously developed him long before, and deliberately omitted him from the game so they could charge us extra money for him.

It bothers me that you are shocked by this. Bioware/EA did this with Origins and Mass Effect 2 as well. They'll probably do it with Mass Effect 3 too, strange practice I agree but it's going to happen regardless of the ****ing we do on the forums.

Oh, I'm not shocked.  Not anymore.

I'm just still bitter about this pathetic "Item Pack #1" they just announced.

EDIT:  On a sidenote, Shale was technically free if you bought DA:O new.  I thought it was fair trade off, considering how enormous the used game industry has become.  Additionally, Shale is superior to Sebastian by a factor of about  2.1 million.

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 27 avril 2011 - 04:13 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

Maybe, just maybe... EA could have invested that additional funding in making a new dungeon or two so I wouldn't have to go through that same damn cave AGAIN.

But that would require them to have some degree of professional integrity...

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 27 avril 2011 - 04:24 .