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[DrGulag]

If bioware keeps making continuously better games, selling continuously more units, while the Baldurs gate fanclub cries their eyes out - I'm perfectly content with that.

You don't seem to understand that if Bioware decides to stick with this concept the old guard wont be crying when the next Dragon Age comes out. It will probably receive mediocre ratings from professional reviewers again and at the same time the old fanbase will have moved on.

There will always be a company that will try to provide a suitable product if there is enough demand in the market.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 02:51 .

[Lithuasil]

For all I know, that old guard desperately overestimates their own impact. What I can say with certainty, is that taste isn't their strong point. (But then, we live in a world where Gothic 3 outsold Dark Messiah, so it might well be my own faith into humanities brain that is overoptimistic)

[DrGulag]

For all I know, that old guard desperately overestimates their own impact. What I can say with certainty, is that taste isn't their strong point

So you are basically saying that Bioware has been making *****y games before this one? Why did you even buy the game then? Or are you just mad, because most people see DA2 as a mediocre release eventhough you like it so much?

ps. You wouldn't even be trolling here if games like Baldurs Gate and all the other older "inferior" Bioware releases didn't sell millions of units so please be quiet about the impact their fanbase has had.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 03:02 .

[Lithuasil]

What I'm saying is they've made continuously better games since those days. And every single time they released a new one, people had their heads stuck in buckets and complained. Change, it's a scary thing, isn't it?

[papality]

you seriously think this is a better game than the first knights of the old republic, both mass effects, and the first dragon age? go check yourself into a psych ward, you're clearly unbalanced

[GodBID]

When i first started DA2 my mindset was "This is NOT DAO" going into DA2 with the mindset that it's a follow up of DAO is what caused a lot of people to go nerdrage mode on DA2, fact is they are 2 completely different games i happen to like both sides of this particular coin.

[Lithuasil]

papality wrote...

you seriously think this is a better game than the first knights of the old republic, both mass effects, and the first dragon age? go check yourself into a psych ward, you're clearly unbalanced

Technically it kind of is, yes. But hey, at least I'm balanced enough to *not* get defensive and insulting, if someone on the internet has a different opinion.

[Foolsfolly]

papality wrote...

you seriously think this is a better game than the first knights of the old republic, both mass effects, and the first dragon age? go check yourself into a psych ward, you're clearly unbalanced

QFT.

It's not a horrible game it's just a disappointment of a game. You expect more from BioWare than you do most companies out there. This didn't live up to the brand or developer name that you'd have expected.

[papality]

im only partially insulting, i do seriously want to know in what aspects is DA2 superior to every previous bioware game

[Jarcander]

A masterpiece is something in which you won't find anything to improve.

[Brawne]

It actually got me interested in the lore and world of Dragon Age so I ordered DA:O Ultimate Edition.

[royceclemens]

It's the damnedest thing, the most singular thing I've come across in all my years of perusing various media.

You got your folks who'll defend DA2 to the rafters and then you got your folks who'll cling to DAO by the very atoms on the tips of their fingernails, but me? I can't do it.

DAO and DA2 are completely interlocking. They're puzzle pieces. Each succeeds wildly where the other fails horribly. Never quite seen anything like it.

Modifié par royceclemens, 25 mars 2011 - 03:16 .

[Lithuasil]

papality wrote...

im only partially insulting, i do seriously want to know in what aspects is DA2 superior to every previous bioware game

It's superior to it's predecessor in pretty much every single element. It's story is vastly better then what Mass effect has going on (not that a strong overaching plot is what I want out of a space opera game, mind you), and as much as I loved Kotor - it's old. I'm willing to give the kotor story the benefit of Star Wars, but just look at the gameplay for a second - how far we've come from moral choices that are either "steal childrens lunch money" or "buy orphans a new house", to moral dilemmas that actually matter to us as players, and that our companions might or might not agree on. 

The thing is - back in the day, it always felt better, that's what memory tells us. That's what you call nostalgia. But being a better game means "what would I rather be playing right now". And after playing through DA2 a couple of times, I have a hard time even sitting through the origin missions.

[Foolsfolly]

DAO and DA2 are completely interlocking. They're puzzle pieces. Each succeeds wildly where the other fails horribly. Never quite seen anything like it.

I just want a better plot. If DA2 had better pacing and a plot that had some drive then I'd be one of big defenders.

I love the crafting change, I love the combat speed and variety. I love the dialogue. I love the side quests.

....but the central pillar of the game, its main plot, is missing. It leaves the game feeling hollow.

[GodBID]

royceclemens wrote...

It's the damnedest thing, the most singular thing I've come across in all my years of perusing various media.

You got your folks who'll defend DA2 to the rafters and then you got your folks who'll cling to DAO by the very atoms on the tips of their fingernails, but me? I can't do it.

DAO and DA2 are completely interlocking. They're puzzle pieces. Each succeeds wildly where the other fails horribly. Never quite seen anything like it.

It's odd isn't it, DAO and DA2 are two completely different games.

And i have major gripes with both of em the biggest for DA2 being the god damn PARATROOPING MOBS that just jump out of airplanes when im not watching and landing ontop of my friggin head during fights >_<

[Lithuasil]

I honestly liked the plot of DA2 quite well. That said, I've also been telling everyone who wanted to listen, that Dragon age needs a new magic system, and essentially the melee system from dark messiah.

[johook213]

Jarcander wrote...

A masterpiece is something in which you won't find anything to improve.

In that case, I don't think a masterpiece exists. 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Emperor Iaius I wrote...

Babi wrote...

I liked DA:2 better than DA:O, overall. While it has some flaws, I couldn't stop playing once I started.

This, pretty much. I've replayed DA:O a zillion times of ocurse, but there were times when it did feel like a chore (Deep Roads!), even on the first, fresh playthrough. That didn't happen here.

Except they took that chore a little too far in the other direction and made the world into a play pen. They really need to find a happy medium.

[papality]

Lithuasil wrote...

papality wrote...

im only partially insulting, i do seriously want to know in what aspects is DA2 superior to every previous bioware game

It's superior to it's predecessor in pretty much every single element. It's story is vastly better then what Mass effect has going on (not that a strong overaching plot is what I want out of a space opera game, mind you), and as much as I loved Kotor - it's old. I'm willing to give the kotor story the benefit of Star Wars, but just look at the gameplay for a second - how far we've come from moral choices that are either "steal childrens lunch money" or "buy orphans a new house", to moral dilemmas that actually matter to us as players, and that our companions might or might not agree on. 

The thing is - back in the day, it always felt better, that's what memory tells us. That's what you call nostalgia. But being a better game means "what would I rather be playing right now". And after playing through DA2 a couple of times, I have a hard time even sitting through the origin missions.

"what would i rather be playing right now."
DA2 was so lame that before getting to act 3 i bought MLB2k11 and a subscription to star trek online, and completed a new DA:O playthrough before i could convince myself to at least finish the game so i would be able to discuss it better

[johook213]

papality wrote...

you seriously think this is a better game than the first knights of the old republic, both mass effects, and the first dragon age? go check yourself into a psych ward, you're clearly unbalanced

I hate Star Wars, am no a sci-fi fan, and I don't find FPS to be fun.  So yes, I think DA2 is more enjoyable than KOTOR and both Mass effects.  This is, of course, 100% based on my own preferences and very biased..... but in all honestly, most of the feedback DA2 has received is also...

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Seriously, this isn't a masterpiece by any means. You can't re-texture the same dungeon over and over again and call it a masterpiece. Masterpieces aren't created when constrained by deadlines and bottom lines.

[Lithuasil]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Except they took that chore a little too far in the other direction and made the world into a play pen. They really need to find a happy medium.

As I said (oh so often) - a proper combat system would go a long long way.

[papality]

johook213 wrote...

papality wrote...

you seriously think this is a better game than the first knights of the old republic, both mass effects, and the first dragon age? go check yourself into a psych ward, you're clearly unbalanced

I hate Star Wars, am no a sci-fi fan, and I don't find FPS to be fun.  So yes, I think DA2 is more enjoyable than KOTOR and both Mass effects.  This is, of course, 100% based on my own preferences and very biased..... but in all honestly, most of the feedback DA2 has received is also...

enjoyable is fine, that's subjective, he said it was superior in every way, implying objective standards that DA2 far and away exceeds its competitors in, which is just not true

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Lithuasil wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Except they took that chore a little too far in the other direction and made the world into a play pen. They really need to find a happy medium.

As I said (oh so often) - a proper combat system would go a long long way.

The combat system was fine and had would have not improved on the fact that you had one city to explore with the same squared off alleys. Or the other 4 locations with re-skinned dungeons.

[DrGulag]

It's superior to it's predecessor in pretty much every single element. It's story is vastly better then what Mass effect has going on (not that a strong overaching plot is what I want out of a space opera game, mind you), and as much as I loved Kotor - it's old.

First of all. Instead of comparing the games directly...

Darkest of Days has better visuals than Doom (OMG CAN IT BE TRUE) but it's still an awful game....

....you should see how the old games fared at the time and what kind of critical acclaim they received.

Then you can analyze if the company is still making good choices. Origins was chosen as game of the year by IGN and many other websites. How many awards did KOTOR and Baldurs Gate win?

Dragon Age 2 isn't going to win anything <- I'm ready to put my money on the line. . 

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 03:44 .