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[GodBID]

My take is that Cassandra / Leliana is looking for the Warden and Hawke to make a "Fantastic Four" setup for DA3, could be fun but how would bioware handle that, some people like the warden more, some people like hawke more etc, which one would end up as a NPC companion, or would you be able to control 2 different teams with one leader of each. lots of possibilities and issues

[IronWolf1987]

I can't be the only one who would be incredibly disappointed if both Hawke and the Warden were just gone. Neither of them have had their stories finished (except for ultimate sacrifice warden), and both were left on major cliffhangers. Why do people keep insisting that their stories are done and over? In my mind both were just getting warmed up.

[Jarcander]

CarlSpackler wrote...

etonesmith1 wrote...

their both hanging out with Darth Revan!

Heh, that thought crossed my mind as well.

Ah yes...

Warden = Revan
Hawke = Jedi Exile (not BW, I know)

Oh Bioware, you do love your traditional storylines. I imagine Warden and Hawke will find the Emp... Tevinter Empire that will then make its grand return to rule the know gal... Thedas. I would like to roll a Qunari Bounty Hunter for my main.

Modifié par Jarcander, 25 mars 2011 - 03:06 .

[Lithuasil]

IronWolf1987 wrote...

I can't be the only one who would be incredibly disappointed if both Hawke and the Warden were just gone. Neither of them have had their stories finished (except for ultimate sacrifice warden), and both were left on major cliffhangers. Why do people keep insisting that their stories are done and over? In my mind both were just getting warmed up.

Because playing a hero with so much baggage would be tediously boring?

[IronWolf1987]

Playing a hero who you've had adventures with before is boring now? I guess that's why characters like Kratos, Drake, Sam Fisher, Solid Snake, James Bond, Commander Shepherd only ever starred in one game/story.

[Lithuasil]

There's exactly two options if you got to play as the warden again. Either they find a big evil that is even more generic and threatening then the archdemon (which is hardly possible without bending the canon backwards), or the ****storm about how bioware sucked the epic out of the warden, will dwarf the one this forum experiences right now.

[IronWolf1987]

Right, and I'm sure not offending the overly negative forum goers is the top of Bioware's priority list.

[Jarcander]

Lithuasil wrote...

There's exactly two options if you got to play as the warden again. Either they find a big evil that is even more generic and threatening then the archdemon (which is hardly possible without bending the canon backwards), or the ****storm about how bioware sucked the epic out of the warden, will dwarf the one this forum experiences right now.

Obviously the Qunari will conquer Thedas in DA3. In DA2, there is reference that if Qunari had wanted, they would've easily conquered Tevinter Imperium, but they haven't, because they are gathering their strenght. It's possible for yet another Archdemon to wake up while this is happened, thus, enabling you to play one part of the game as warden and the other one as Hawke facing off the Qunari.

[Lithuasil]

Let's hope to god it's not - but if they're going to continue the trend of making stories about humans, rather then stories about generic heroes, then a new person is a much better vessel then someone who has already saved the universe the last time around. And bioware knows that, that's why we played hawke in DA2.

[zebrakeys]

I hope in DA:3 that the Warden and Hawke meet.I would like to play both so when they do met I can make them make a baby bred from pure awesome and kick ass.
Warden Hawke Jr. growing up and being completely and totally amazing=DA:4
There you go Bio ware did your job for ya, no need to thank me.

[Lithuasil]

Jarcander wrote...


Obviously the Qunari will conquer Thedas in DA3. In DA2, there is reference that if Qunari had wanted, they would've easily conquered Tevinter Imperium, but they haven't, because they are gathering their strenght. It's possible for yet another Archdemon to wake up while this is happened, thus, enabling you to play one part of the game as warden and the other one as Hawke facing off the Qunari.

This may just be me, but facing of two "greatest threads in the universe" for the price of one, that's a game I would not want to play.

[IronWolf1987]

I believe it was Fenris who said that about the Qunari. While I like Fenris I don't know that he's the one to make that call considering he is biased as hell against Tevinter and has background in being a slave/bodyguard not a military officer. The Qunari might be able to take on Tevinter or even the whole of Thedas, but we really don't know that since we're never actually shown the full strength of either sides.

[GodBID]

IronWolf1987 wrote...

I believe it was Fenris who said that about the Qunari. While I like Fenris I don't know that he's the one to make that call considering he is biased as hell against Tevinter and has background in being a slave/bodyguard not a military officer. The Qunari might be able to take on Tevinter or even the whole of Thedas, but we really don't know that since we're never actually shown the full strength of either sides.

Are you sure about The Qunari being able to take on Tevinter alone, because i think my hawke alone has wiped out at least 2 platoons worth of Qunari soldiers, does not look good for the Qunari imo

[IronWolf1987]

Lithuasil wrote...

Let's hope to god it's not - but if they're going to continue the trend of making stories about humans, rather then stories about generic heroes, then a new person is a much better vessel then someone who has already saved the universe the last time around. And bioware knows that, that's why we played hawke in DA2.

Better in what way? Better in that it would be easier to tell such a story or that a story about a human is better if said human doesn't save the world? 

Furthermore why couldn't the next chapter in the Warden's story be more personal in nature? Is there some rule out there saying that if a character was once a generic hero they can never be anything more?

[Lithuasil]

There's no such rule, but making such a story, with all ties long sewered, compelling, is much, much, much harder. Once you've killed an archdemon, driving bandits of your farms lawn just doesn't give the same kick anymore.
Sure it's possible, but imho not worth the effort, and I'm pretty sure bioware agrees.

[Jarcander]

GodBID wrote...

Are you sure about The Qunari being able to take on Tevinter alone, because i think my hawke alone has wiped out at least 2 platoons worth of Qunari soldiers, does not look good for the Qunari imo

Hawke is imba, but he/she is just one human and so he/she is easily overrun. Also, I imagine the gunpowder guns Qunari have might be on a heavy dps side.

[TillyBomas]

Well.... The Qunari according to what is said in the game, had fought most of Thedas to a standstill. The Tivinter Imperium, a bad ass (story anyway) empire that used to rule most of Thedas, uses forbidden blood magic, and is ruled by powerful mages can't take back one island from the Qunari.

In DA:3 odds are, it will be an exalted march. Now, what side the player plays on, or if he even does one, is beyond me. As for the DA2 story, I respected the Qunari, and had wished there was another option. (BTW, I sold Isabella up river. Varric says she never returns, or they never saw her again, but then during the end scene, says that the Champion ran off with her.. doesn't make sense to me..)

The thing that aggrivated me the most, however, was that very little transfered over from DAO. In my original game (First play through, no stratagy guides, no hints and tips, or anything. Ultimate Sacrifice, Not Friends with Alistar, Warden Killed Logain.) I played a Dalish Elf Warrior that was a Berserking Reaver. I killed Cassandra/Lilliana, when I went to destroy the Ashs. So.. WTF is she doing in this game?

Also, why is there never a mention of a Dragon called Andrastee mentioned in any rumors or anything about attacking Fereldin. Now I have played DAA, and I must say I was not impressed by it in the least bit. I thought it was kinda crappy. But regardless, in that file (somehow I survived, since I also reloaded the match, and was 'revived' i guess. Meaning the Canon ending was the Dark Ritual Ending.... and ended up destorying the Fortress and Anders was killed, along with justice.

To me, there was allot that made this game meh.... I still enjoy it, and am doing my second play through right now, but there are things that would have made it loads better.

[GodBID]

Jarcander wrote...

GodBID wrote...

Are you sure about The Qunari being able to take on Tevinter alone, because i think my hawke alone has wiped out at least 2 platoons worth of Qunari soldiers, does not look good for the Qunari imo

Hawke is imba, but he/she is just one human and so he/she is easily overrun. Also, I imagine the gunpowder guns Qunari have might be on a heavy dps side.

You have a vaild point, DAMN YOU TECHNOLOGY!

[IronWolf1987]

Lithuasil wrote...

There's no such rule, but making such a story, with all ties long sewered, compelling, is much, much, much harder. Once you've killed an archdemon, driving bandits of your farms lawn just doesn't give the same kick anymore.
Sure it's possible, but imho not worth the effort, and I'm pretty sure bioware agrees.

You're pretty sure are you? So I take it you talked with Head writers then? Or did they make a post or announcment stating as such that it simply isn't worth the effort to continue the stories of Hawke and the Warden despite leaving them both on cliffhangers? By the way did they mention why they felt it was doable to continue with Shepherd's story in Mass Effect 2 despite that in the previous Mass Effect Shepherd basically saved the entire galaxy? I wonder why in Mass Effect it works, but they feel it won't in Dragon Age.

Also since you seem to be on the same page as the people writing Dragon Age's story, could you explain to me why thought it important to make a lot of references to the Warden and his/her decisions despite wanting to drop their story? Maybe I'm just weird, but if I was writin the story and I was done with the warden, I'd try to make as little reference as possible to them, and try to steer my audience away from the warden.

[Lithuasil]

You didn't need to know george lucas personally, to know that the romance in revenge of the sith would suck, after watching Hayden christensen trying to act for a whole movie.
There's no need to get all defensive on me - I'm just saying what I hope, and what I deem likely. Unlike many of the "ohmigawd dragon age is ruined!!11" doomsayers, I never once claimed clairvoyance.

[IronWolf1987]

But that would imply that the romance in the RotS was bad not because of writing or direction, but because of the performance of the actor. So what is it in particular about the Warden or Bioware that you feel the continuation of the Warden's story would be generic and/or boring?

[Lithuasil]

Aside from the fact that roleplaying in origins was impossible (for me)
The shear amount of possible wardens, combined with the shear amount of possible endings, would mean that they'd need like what, two hundred introduction levels to bring us on hawke-level intimacy with the warden? The warden, for all we know, has no ties, no family, no home, and went through some mirror. I honestly can't see how they'd introduce him as the PC in Da3 (unlike hawke, who could well work)

[Statulos]

Lithuasil wrote...

Let's hope to god it's not - but if they're going to continue the trend of making stories about humans, rather then stories about generic heroes, then a new person is a much better vessel then someone who has already saved the universe the last time around. And bioware knows that, that's why we played hawke in DA2.

Agreed on that. Dragon Age is not Mass Effect and I do not want to play the same character again and again. New perspectives breing new narrations and that´s exactly what I want.

[EDarkness]

IronWolf1987 wrote...

I can't be the only one who would be incredibly disappointed if both Hawke and the Warden were just gone. Neither of them have had their stories finished (except for ultimate sacrifice warden), and both were left on major cliffhangers. Why do people keep insisting that their stories are done and over? In my mind both were just getting warmed up.

I agree.  So much left over from the Warden that needs to be solved, and it just wouldn't sit well with me to have some other no-name character finish the job.  Why build up heroes just to leave them sitting alone somewhere to rot?  That really ticked me off about Revan in KOTOR.

Aside from the fact that roleplaying in origins was impossible (for me)
The
shear amount of possible wardens, combined with the shear amount of
possible endings, would mean that they'd need like what, two hundred
introduction levels to bring us on hawke-level intimacy with the warden?
The warden, for all we know, has no ties, no family, no home, and went
through some mirror. I honestly can't see how they'd introduce him as
the PC in Da3 (unlike hawke, who could well work)

Heh, you gotta have imagination with this kind of stuff.  The thing is they can start ALL wardens at the same point and work up a few bits of text to explain how they got there.  We already know the Warden is "gone", so something happened.  They can explain that and we can move on from there.  This is not hard and writers do it all the time.  If Bioware is as good at crafting a story as they claim to be, then this shouldn't be a problem. 

Modifié par EDarkness, 25 mars 2011 - 05:38 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

IronWolf1987 wrote...

But that would imply that the romance in the RotS was bad not because of writing or direction, but because of the performance of the actor. So what is it in particular about the Warden or Bioware that you feel the continuation of the Warden's story would be generic and/or boring?

RotS = Return of the Saint?