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[Euno17]

AlanC9 wrote...

Euno17 wrote...
For example, I'm not one to like one of my male 'companions' to hit on me during the game (or thinks of me sexually - it's uncomfortable to me as a player ) so if I want, I should be be able to change my companions to straight males or straight females if I so choose. 

If I had bought this game - I wouldn't want to feel like I got a game only to feel uncomfortable about every single one of my companions. That's just me /shrug. I can't say how other straight males think/feel so I can't voice their opinions. 

Hmm... what if compnions only hit on your PC if you've expressed a sexual interest already? Would you be OK with that design?

I guess its' possible, I'm not entirely sure. I just can't get away from feeling uncomfortable/awkard if I knew one of my companions (who I constantly fight next to) were gay and well to be frank, if they were talking a certain way/using particular hand motions.

That's just the way that I feel.

Wanting to keep my distance from one of my companions (for uncomfortable reasons) to me is not a good thing.
To me, the companions are an extenstion of the player - in that they represent you and your ideals. Can they have different opinions/styles then you? Sure but in my opinion people tend to use companions that they are comfortable with in terms of random conversations/cut-scenes etc. Maybe one companion is evil but a side of you likes that while another companion is a 'love interest' so you like to keep her in the group...etc...

If I had a gay guy/bi in the group - I wouldn't want to fear/think to myself every time a cut-scene comes around, 'don't let this guy speak . . . ' or maybe feel like i have to block out what he says in order to enjoy my gaming experience. I'd just be afraid of having to feel uncomfortable. I dont' want to have that kind of stuff in my games because I just want to relax and be comfortable. BUT I do think there should be an option for the Gay community (so they have 'love interest characters etc') so they can enjoy the gaming experience just as much as me.



 

[Captain Jazz]

Artoz96 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Artoz96 wrote...

Angry one - this is history. History - Angry one. I am happy you meat each other.

So Japan... is it near Europe? Or... maybe when we talk about knights we mean samurai?  Or maybe... just imagine this... when we say medieval we mean europe (western)  from the end of Roman Empire to the time of Renaissance? You see what I mean? There is no samurais here, there is no spartans.

But ok, even if we are not talking about time and western mythology (there is no elves and dwarvs in Japan mythology). Knight is a warrior of Godб he follows bible, and samurai is warrior who follows bushido. It is quite different. If you are Knight you cant be gay.

I suggest you read up on your history and don't come back until you stop confusing knights with crusaders.

Ohh... dont be so rude :innocent: It is Your history as such as mine. So, you dont believe me... it insults me sooo much. But... maybe you will believe wikipedia.

"The verb "to knight", i.e. to make someone a knight appears around 1300,
and from the same time, the word "knighthood" shifted from
"adolescence" to "rank or dignity of a knight".

The ideal of chivalry as the ethos of the Christian warrior, and the transmutation of the term knight from the meaning "servant, soldier", and of chevalier "mounted soldier", to refer to a member of this ideal class, is significantly influenced by the Crusaders, on one hand inspired by the military orders of monastic warriors, as seen retrospectively from the point of view of the beginning Late Middle Ages" (Late Middle Ages starts from 1300).

http://en.wikipedia....eval_knighthood

"influenced by the Crusaders"

"influenced by" =/= "same thing as"

And since when does any of that have anything to do with sexuality? Even if knights and crusaders actually were the same thing, where does it say that every crusader was heterosexual? This might sound crazy to you, but it's possible to believe in and follow god and be gay at the same time.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
I never cried discrimination with DA:O, so you're full of crap. Bye bye.

Yet it seems it wasn't enough for you either, it has to be all or nothing else your not being treated fairly. Bye.

[AkiKishi]

Captain Jazz wrote...
This might sound crazy to you, but it's possible to believe in and follow god and be gay at the same time.

Not unless you make up your own god ,or throw your own interpretation on the bible.

Filament wrote...
And the only reason that choice was added was to please some 5% of gamers who believe they are entitled to this content. All of the LIs being bisexual? Statistically this is pretty damn unlikely. Tell me, what about DA1 wasn't enough and led to Bioware taking such insane steps?

I feel lucky then, one in college and one who is with me now and I have children with. From my time with them I think you are more likely to meet bisexual people if you are with someone who is bisexual. Just my experience.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 mars 2011 - 08:00 .

[AlanC9]

ReconTeam wrote...

I find all of this distasteful, but being part of the majority means it doesn't matter right? <_< 

The majority finds this distasteful?

[Artoz96]

AllThatJazz wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Artoz96 wrote...

So... in game we need: black guy, latinas, chinese and white guy. Also we need: gay, lesbian, bi.

Have I mentioned everything that is needed in rpg to not insult somebody?

This really a bad way to try of being good to everyone.

It sooo funny for me when in historical film about old Britain we can see black guy )))) There were no such people in that time in Britain!

So back to DA2, so all nps's are bi... really? WHY? Because you want everybody to have equal rights? But game is not about real life, not about America, Europe or about a problem with human rights. It is a fantasy game and its time is equal to medieval. I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

So again, this game is about some place that is not equal to America, all the writers need really concern about is immersion... and it is not in any way I can belieave that all people in this place are bi. It just dont make sence!

You dont expect blasters in DA, do you? So WHY all romanceble characters are bi?

Really, gay people are a recent development? Yeah no.

@Artoz96 And also, there have been black people in Britain since Roman times at least. Not to mention that Queen Charlotte (wife of George III) was of African descent.

Personally, I think the fact that Bioware have chosen to include as much content for those who don't represent a majority of their demographic as for those who do, speaks highly in their favour.  That the DA team have not accounted for 'privilege' is brilliant.

I also find it hard to believe that most straight male gamers honestly care one way or the other whether such content is there.  If such is, in fact, the case, then I'm really happy to be married to someone who takes a different view. 

Never mention history, NEVER, there are so many people who really dont know it...

So you expect Romans to get slaves from north africe and send them to Britain? More then 1000 miles away? What for? They had slaves in Britain.  We can talk about maybe 50-100 black people sent to Britain like personal slaves. And, as you understand it is nothing because we talk about medieaval time. And Roman empire left  it in 410 Ad. 

Nearly forgot... wife of George III, really? Old britain? Time of knights? I thought that George III lived in 18th century. :innocent:

[mesmerizedish]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Not unless you make up your own god ,or throw your own interpretation on the bible.

In fairness, this is what every single Christian denomination does. The Catholics are just the only ones who are honest about it.

[AkiKishi]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Not unless you make up your own god ,or throw your own interpretation on the bible.

In fairness, this is what every single Christian denomination does. The Catholics are just the only ones who are honest about it.

I know.  I just wanted to put it out there before this turned into religion wars.

[Euno17]

For example, I'm not one to like one of my male 'companions' to hit on me during the game (or thinks of me sexually - it's uncomfortable to me as a player ) so if I want, I should be be able to change my companions to straight males or straight females if I so choose.

Hasn't that ever happened to you in real life? Happens to me all the time... I am approached or flirted with by someone who is maybe not my preference. Usually I turn them down (which you can do by not clicking on the heart and reminding the NPC "hey, that's not how I swing"). It's not like everyone wears a sign that says GAY or STRAIGHT and sometimes you have to go out on a limb and flirt a little, maybe the person turns you down, or maybe they are interested. When a character like Anders comes forward it makes me think he's that much more immersive. NPCs shouldn't respond to your whims, flirting with you only when you flirt with them. When has that been the case in real life? Last I checked I can't 'toggle' people hitting on me when I'm out in the real world.

And if people are really upset about losing 10 points of friendship, then maybe he or she should tote Anders along on a templar quest and mouth off about templars and how they suck; it's not difficult to earn it back.

In real life, I don't get approached by /flirted with gay guys but turn them down and continue along the friendship as if nothing happened. That's just the way it goes. If a gay guy hit on me, it'd just be too weird to continue the friendship. I'd imagine a-lot of girls do the same things to their nerdy/weird guy friends. It's just to awkward.

Also, okay perhaps I agree with the 'NPCs should be immersive' tag. In-fact my thoughts in this thread were directed to the idea of having gay/bi companions but don't make all of them bi. I never said that there SHOULDN'T be gay companions - I just rather not fight along side of them is all. There should be different choices for different people (different companions).

[casedawgz]

Artoz96 wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Artoz96 wrote...

So... in game we need: black guy, latinas, chinese and white guy. Also we need: gay, lesbian, bi.

Have I mentioned everything that is needed in rpg to not insult somebody?

This really a bad way to try of being good to everyone.

It sooo funny for me when in historical film about old Britain we can see black guy )))) There were no such people in that time in Britain!

So back to DA2, so all nps's are bi... really? WHY? Because you want everybody to have equal rights? But game is not about real life, not about America, Europe or about a problem with human rights. It is a fantasy game and its time is equal to medieval. I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

So again, this game is about some place that is not equal to America, all the writers need really concern about is immersion... and it is not in any way I can belieave that all people in this place are bi. It just dont make sence!

You dont expect blasters in DA, do you? So WHY all romanceble characters are bi?

Really, gay people are a recent development? Yeah no.

@Artoz96 And also, there have been black people in Britain since Roman times at least. Not to mention that Queen Charlotte (wife of George III) was of African descent.

Personally, I think the fact that Bioware have chosen to include as much content for those who don't represent a majority of their demographic as for those who do, speaks highly in their favour.  That the DA team have not accounted for 'privilege' is brilliant.

I also find it hard to believe that most straight male gamers honestly care one way or the other whether such content is there.  If such is, in fact, the case, then I'm really happy to be married to someone who takes a different view. 

Never mention history, NEVER, there are so many people who really dont know it...

So you expect Romans to get slaves from north africe and send them to Britain? More then 1000 miles away? What for? They had slaves in Britain.  We can talk about maybe 50-100 black people sent to Britain like personal slaves. And, as you understand it is nothing because we talk about medieaval time. And Roman empire left  it in 410 Ad. 

Nearly forgot... wife of George III, really? Old britain? Time of knights? I thought that George III lived in 18th century. :innocent:

Somebody has never read Othello. There have been Black people in Europe for hundreds and hundreds of years.

[v_ware]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I never cried discrimination with DA:O, so you're full of crap. Bye bye.

Yet it seems it wasn't enough for you either, it has to be all or nothing else your not being treated fairly. Bye.

You're just awfull in discussing. I suggest you take a class.
Or just get over yourself and don't be butthurt by gay people, just because they're DIFFERENT.

[Mad-Max90]

Maker NO, I don't know who to defend the Templars or the mages, but seriously this is getting old, it's already been done, no one can fix that

[Nozybidaj]

Euno17 wrote...
That's just the way that I feel.

I understand what you are saying, and appreciate your honesty.  See it as a challenge though, as an oppurtunity to overcome your uneasiness in a safe environment.  Life is going to throw lots of uncomfortable situations your way, use this as a chance to overcome them.  You seem like you are a reasonable and open minded person, maybe making yourself uncomfortable would be a good thing.

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I never cried discrimination with DA:O, so you're full of crap. Bye bye.

Yet it seems it wasn't enough for you either, it has to be all or nothing else your not being treated fairly. Bye.

You're the one whining about fair treatment, not me.

[Bluumberry]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Maker NO, I don't know who to defend the Templars or the mages, but seriously this is getting old, it's already been done, no one can fix that

This made me lol.

[AkiKishi]

v_ware wrote...
You're just awfull in discussing. I suggest you take a class.
Or just get over yourself and don't be butthurt by gay people, just because they're DIFFERENT.

Was that by intent because it was really funny.

[Mad-Max90]

Hmhm butthurt...by gay people...was that a poor choice of words or the greatest pun ever intended

[John Epler]

And we're done.

Some folks seem unable to discuss this in a civil manner. Let me be clear - homophobic comments and slurs directed against those whose sexuality differs from yours is in no way an acceptable part of discourse on these forums. If you find it uncomfortable, then I suggest you simply steer clear of the threads. If you're unable to discuss this topic without resorting to slurs and insults, then I suggest you steer clear of the threads.

At the same time - ad hominems and insults from the other side of the fence are also unacceptable. We try to let people discuss what they want (so long as it remains on-topic), but this is done with the understanding that they try and keep a civil and constructive forum environment. If you're unable to do so, then I'd suggest you don't post. If someone's being offensive or insulting, let a moderator know. Vigilante forum justice is not and will never be how this forum operates.

Locking. If people want to discuss this sort of thing civilly and calmly, they're more than welcome to. However, this has been neither civil nor calm.

[John Epler]

Let me add that I will be going through the thread and handing out bans and warnings as appropriate. There is a certain level of civility that is expected on these forums - if you can't maintain it, then you are not going to be welcome here.