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[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dark83 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

If something designed to please some 5% mionirty of players is going to degrade the quality of the writing and characters, don't do it.

How exactly does companions happening to have the sexual orientation to match your Hawke degrade the quality of writing and characters?

Well obviously bisexual characters are of lower quality than heterosexual ones. 

Obviously.

Also, am I the only one who's really offended by the word "homosex"? Every time I see someone use it, I want to throw up a little in my mouth. It's worse than "******."

[casedawgz]

Artoz96 wrote...

So... in game we need: black guy, latinas, chinese and white guy. Also we need: gay, lesbian, bi.

Have I mentioned everything that is needed in rpg to not insult somebody?

This really a bad way to try of being good to everyone.

It sooo funny for me when in historical film about old Britain we can see black guy )))) There were no such people in that time in Britain!

So back to DA2, so all nps's are bi... really? WHY? Because you want everybody to have equal rights? But game is not about real life, not about America, Europe or about a problem with human rights. It is a fantasy game and its time is equal to medieval. I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

So again, this game is about some place that is not equal to America, all the writers need really concern about is immersion... and it is not in any way I can belieave that all people in this place are bi. It just dont make sence!

You dont expect blasters in DA, do you? So WHY all romanceble characters are bi?

Really, gay people are a recent development? Yeah no.

[Heather Cline]

I agree with Mister Gaider. He's right that it comes down to people feeling privileged and thinking they have the right to dictate who gets what when they shouldn't.

Calamity Ranger, Isabela's romance is very satisfying and her sleeping with many people is a front as you find out towards the end of the game. She's bisexual she never hid it in DA:O and she doesn't hide it in DA2. But she uses that as a shield to keep herself from falling in love, from getting hurt. It's a well written story for Isabela's romance.

Merrill's story is also well crafted when you play through for her romance.

Another thing is that gay, lesbians and bisexuals have been around since even ancient days. They just hid it better and those that couldn't stomach marrying the opposite gender found a way around it and didn't get married. Some women lived with another woman in a house being spinsters. Men of the gay orientation married, had sex with their spouses to produce heirs because it was expected of them. But more often than not they didn't sleep with their wives beyond that. They had personal male lovers that they spent time with. Only being with the family when it was necessary for appearance purposes.

So anyone who states that there were no homosexuals or bisexuals or anything in between back in ancient history is out of their minds and are ignorant of the past.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 24 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[The Angry One]

Artoz96 wrote...

I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

Hey, guess what? There were gay knights. There were gay Samurai. There were gay Spartans.
I'm glad BioWare is not limited by your personal lack of imagination or ignorance of history.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[orbit991]

Artoz96 wrote...

So... in game we need: black guy, latinas, chinese and white guy. Also we need: gay, lesbian, bi.

Have I mentioned everything that is needed in rpg to not insult somebody?

This really a bad way to try of being good to everyone.

It sooo funny for me when in historical film about old Britain we can see black guy )))) There were no such people in that time in Britain!

So back to DA2, so all nps's are bi... really? WHY? Because you want everybody to have equal rights? But game is not about real life, not about America, Europe or about a problem with human rights. It is a fantasy game and its time is equal to medieval. I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

So again, this game is about some place that is not equal to America, all the writers need really concern about is immersion... and it is not in any way I can belieave that all people in this place are bi. It just dont make sence!

You dont expect blasters in DA, do you? So WHY all romanceble characters are bi?

In a land where you can start fires with your hands and summon demons, I'd say anything is possible. Oh yea, more latinas as well please.

[Altima Darkspells]

Ryzaki wrote...

Well obviously bisexual characters are of lower quality than heterosexual ones. 

Just like in real life!  Kirkwall really needs old men shouting at the love interests that instead of skateboarding magicking on the sidewalks but they're just kidding themselves.

Other old man grumblings can include:

"Back in my day, there were three women for every man!  And one and a half for every woman!"

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
WHAT special consideration? 
It's called an option. An option that despite the bleatings of people who don't have a clue, you don't have to deal with if you don't want to.

And even if you did.. guess what? Being straight does not give you the right to never, ever, ever be hit on by a gay person. You simply tell them no, and the world moves on. Stop acting like you're somehow being persecuted.

Funny, everyone being bisexual stinks of "special consideration" to me. Yeah it's optional, but the characters seem like less of actual individuals, and that part of the deal isn't optional.

[Rykoth]

So people are upset...

... that the love interest that they might favor, could be romancable by a female as well as a male?

First off... grow up.
Second off... grow up some more.
Third off... go learn how to be tolerant. I'm a straight male gamer and I have no friggin problem with the fact someone can romance isabela or merrill as a female. Why the hell do you think you have some sort of moral crisis going on?

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Since when is sexuality coupled to personality?

I don't know. Since forever?
Or Freud, mayhap?
As Maria_Calliban put it out really nice (before she edited her post for a people who can get offended by anyone with strong position and mind) - sexuality is't something that can be slapped into character like a label. It's an important part of a human (elven/dwarver whatsoever) character which does't just come out of nowhere.

[casedawgz]

Rykoth wrote...

So people are upset...

... that the love interest that they might favor, could be romancable by a female as well as a male?

First off... grow up.
Second off... grow up some more.
Third off... go learn how to be tolerant. I'm a straight male gamer and I have no friggin problem with the fact someone can romance isabela or merrill as a female. Why the hell do you think you have some sort of moral crisis going on?

Seriously. I'm a straight male as well and this level of intolerance and stupidity really sets my ****** to a boil.

[City6]

Artoz96 wrote...

So... in game we need: black guy, latinas, chinese and white guy. Also we need: gay, lesbian, bi.

Have I mentioned everything that is needed in rpg to not insult somebody?

This really a bad way to try of being good to everyone.

It sooo funny for me when in historical film about old Britain we can see black guy )))) There were no such people in that time in Britain!

So back to DA2, so all nps's are bi... really? WHY? Because you want everybody to have equal rights? But game is not about real life, not about America, Europe or about a problem with human rights. It is a fantasy game and its time is equal to medieval. I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

So again, this game is about some place that is not equal to America, all the writers need really concern about is immersion... and it is not in any way I can belieave that all people in this place are bi. It just dont make sence!

You dont expect blasters in DA, do you? So WHY all romanceble characters are bi?

If you can't imagine a gay knight it's because you're apparently unaware of the Matter of Britain. The Round Table myths *certainly* have gay knights. As do the other mythologies that the game draws on.

It's irrelevant anyway, as this is Thedas, where bisexuality isn't an issue, much like it wasn't an issue for much of human history is dozens of cultures. *You're* the one applying modern issues.

[Nozybidaj]

ReconTeam wrote...

Funny, everyone being bisexual stinks of "special consideration" to me. Yeah it's optional, but the characters seem like less of actual individuals, and that part of the deal isn't optional.

Hehe, you should have phrased that better.  That statement is about to be twisted into a pretzel.

[AndreaDraco]

The Angry One wrote...

Artoz96 wrote...

I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

Hey, guess what? There were gay knights. There were gay Samurai. There were gay Spartans.
I'm glad BioWare is not limited by your personal lack of imagination or ignorance of history.

Thanks, The Angry One. I was about to replying the same thing.

[Monsteroids]

The Angry One wrote...

Artoz96 wrote...

I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

Hey, guess what? There were gay knights. There were gay Samurai. There were gay Spartans.

Much of Spartan culture and Samurai culture was very homoerotic.
In fact Ancient Greece took patriarchal values to a level quite alien to today's society. The manliest of men slept with men. Sleeping with women voluntarily was seen as effeminate. Not something I'd promote, but amazing nonetheless.
Your manliness was determined by who was the bottom.

Modifié par Monsteroids, 24 mars 2011 - 07:14 .

[orbit991]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
WHAT special consideration? 
It's called an option. An option that despite the bleatings of people who don't have a clue, you don't have to deal with if you don't want to.

And even if you did.. guess what? Being straight does not give you the right to never, ever, ever be hit on by a gay person. You simply tell them no, and the world moves on. Stop acting like you're somehow being persecuted.

Funny, everyone being bisexual stinks of "special consideration" to me. Yeah it's optional, but the characters seem like less of actual individuals, and that part of the deal isn't optional.

Look you have 3 options of text with 3 possible responses and no way to change personalities the whole game and you think that a couple of optional lines take away individuality?

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
WHAT special consideration? 
It's called an option. An option that despite the bleatings of people who don't have a clue, you don't have to deal with if you don't want to.

And even if you did.. guess what? Being straight does not give you the right to never, ever, ever be hit on by a gay person. You simply tell them no, and the world moves on. Stop acting like you're somehow being persecuted.

Funny, everyone being bisexual stinks of "special consideration" to me. Yeah it's optional, but the characters seem like less of actual individuals, and that part of the deal isn't optional.

4 romances happen to be bisexual, and that makes them less individual?
What part of their personality precludes this exactly?

[Altima Darkspells]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Also, am I the only one who's really offended by the word "homosex"? Every time I see someone use it, I want to throw up a little in my mouth. It's worse than "******."

I always think of the saying "homosex" as "one sex."

Then it starts getting me on a tangent.

One Sex to rule them all, One Sex to find them,
One Sex to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Which kinda describes the attitude of the people using that phrase, don't it?

Rykoth wrote...

So people are upset...

... that the love interest that they might favor, could be romancable by a female as well as a male?

First off... grow up.
Second off... grow up some more.
Third off... go learn how to be tolerant. I'm a straight male gamer and I have no friggin problem with the fact someone can romance isabela or merrill as a female. Why the hell do you think you have some sort of moral crisis going on?

Clearly Isabela is entirely gay, but she only sleeps with men because of cultural pressure.  And because BioWare completely sold out!

It's okay, Izzy.  I still heart you.  Even if...Even if...I see you...with HIM in the Destiny trailer!  Well, me, technically, but also with HIM!

I can't believe you, you floozy!  Shhh, it's okay.  I'm not gonna hurt you.  I'm not gonna hurt you. 

Modifié par Altima Darkspells, 24 mars 2011 - 07:18 .

[Ryzaki]

Ah come on Angry One. We all know bisexuals act in a similar manner.

[mesmerizedish]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Also, am I the only one who's really offended by the word "homosex"? Every time I see someone use it, I want to throw up a little in my mouth. It's worse than "******."

I always think of the saying "homosex" as "one sex."

Then it starts getting me on a tangent.

One Sex to rule them all, One Sex to find them,
One Sex to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Which kinda describes the attitude of the people using that phrase, don't it?

Omigod, this made my day

[Satyricon331]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
Make a homosex option at character creation, every problem is solved.

Seriously though, David Gaider has no clue. He says that romances are for everyone - and that's not true. It's simple as that. If you are a straight man, you do not have any straight romances in the ENTIRE game as everyone is bisexual. 

So basically, David says that the romances are for everyone...but for straight people.

Eloquent, eh? 

Yes, exactly! You've made it so clear for everyone.  Heterosexual relationships involve more than a man and a woman, they involve each partner's past partners and potential future partners too!  I always wondered why people kept saying that heterosexuals were incapable of monogamy, and now I fellow why it's so, thanks to you.  Any heterosexual relationship necessarily involves multiple people, all of whom must have been/will be male for the woman, and female for the man.

Gee, Fell.  I really fellow the logic there.

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
And to me, personally, any male who has sex with other males is ******-, not bisexual.

Actually, I do follow the logic.  Bigots like you can't cope with reality, so you depart from reality, as the language you've made up for yourself illustrates.

Altima Darkspells wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Also, am I the only one who's really offended by the word "homosex"? Every time I see someone use it, I want to throw up a little in my mouth. It's worse than "******."

I always think of the saying "homosex" as "one sex."

Then it starts getting me on a tangent.

One Sex to rule them all, One Sex to find them,
One Sex to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Which kinda describes the attitude of the people using that phrase, don't it?

Best post ever!

[AlanC9]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

Since when is sexuality coupled to personality?

I don't know. Since forever?
Or Freud, mayhap?
As Maria_Calliban put it out really nice (before she edited her post for a people who can get offended by anyone with strong position and mind) - sexuality is't something that can be slapped into character like a label. It's an important part of a human (elven/dwarver whatsoever) character which does't just come out of nowhere.

So maybe you have to write the character differently. But in what way?Is there anything you can do with a straight character that you can't do with a bi character?

A friend of mine turned bisexual -- or realized she was bi, if you prefer -- in her 30s. She seemed pretty much the same to me before and after. So I just don't see the big deal here.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Nozybidaj wrote...
Hehe, you should have phrased that better.  That statement is about to be twisted into a pretzel.

Too late. I'm sure it is already being quoted into some abomination of a post explaining how I'm a downright terrible person who is drinking fresh blood for the skull of a baby while I'm sitting on a pile of money made by the oppression of sometbody or another.

You want gay LIs? Go ahead and argue for them, but don't expect me to support you, don't try to play the guilt card, and don't expect me to shut up if it begins to hurt the quality of the game for others. Also when is this office-place politically correct mentality going to end? Does Bioware require one person of every race and sexual orientation now? Does DA3 need transvestite LIs? If by not including (insert demand here) are they doing something horribly offensive to somebody? At this stage they would be better off by not including any romances to begin with.

[The Angry One]

Exactly. The truth of the matter is certain people don't want to accept that bisexual and gay people are just like everyone else.
That's not political correctness. I'm about as PC as nuclear powered aerosol. It is a statement of fact.

[casedawgz]

ReconTeam wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Hehe, you should have phrased that better.  That statement is about to be twisted into a pretzel.

Too late. I'm sure it is already being quoted into some abomination of a post explaining how I'm a downright terrible person who is drinking fresh blood for the skull of a baby while I'm sitting on a pile of money made by the oppression of sometbody or another.

You want gay LIs? Go ahead and argue for them, but don't expect me to support you, don't try to play the guilt card, and don't expect me to shut up if it begins to hurt the quality of the game for others. Also when is this office-place politically correct mentality going to end? Does Bioware require one person of every race and sexual orientation now? Does DA3 need transvestite LIs? If by not including (insert demand here) are they doing something horribly offensive to somebody? At this stage they would be better off by not including any romances to begin with.

Actually, it seems pretty clear that you ARE a terrible person.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Much of Spartan culture and Samurai culture was very homoerotic.
In fact Ancient Greece

..and those are related to Dragon Age setting how?
How many bi's, gays or lesbians do we actually meet in DA2? Most of the quests are related to sons, daighters, fathers, mothers, and whole lot of family business.
Now if we'd be plaing in Orlais, I would't dare to say anything even if we had three lesbians in party.