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[plixer911]

I almost feel bad being heterosexual  .

Nah, more seriously I'm far from being homophobic but having male video game character trying to F***** me in the A****  still feels wrong to me.  I don't like it at all.

[AkiKishi]

My partner is bisexual, has had many perks. But she likens to eating different foods. Most of the time she wants to eat hotdogs but occasionaly she would rather eat fish.

Because she was like that when we met. I can't really say if she was straight her personality would be different. She's quite normal , not like Anders or Isabella come acorss in DA2.
I'd probably find those personalities insulting if I were bisexual myself.

Altima Darkspells wrote...


One Sex to rule them all, One Sex to find them,
One Sex to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Which kinda describes the attitude of the people using that phrase, don't it?

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 mars 2011 - 07:24 .

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Hehe, you should have phrased that better.  That statement is about to be twisted into a pretzel.

Too late. I'm sure it is already being quoted into some abomination of a post explaining how I'm a downright terrible person who is drinking fresh blood for the skull of a baby while I'm sitting on a pile of money made by the oppression of sometbody or another.

You want gay LIs? Go ahead and argue for them, but don't expect me to support you, don't try to play the guilt card, and don't expect me to shut up if it begins to hurt the quality of the game for others. Also when is this office-place politically correct mentality going to end? Does Bioware require one person of every race and sexual orientation now? Does DA3 need transvestite LIs? If by not including (insert demand here) are they doing something horribly offensive to somebody? At this stage they would be better off by not including any romances to begin with.

Enough with your slippery slopes. It is fine as it is now, and you have yet to come up with a single valid argument as to why it is not aside from your obvious self-entitlement issues and useless "where will it end!" fallacies.

[Dark83]

Crash_7 wrote...

I can honestly say that having to navigate away from accidentally ending up in the sack with an NPC is both annoying and amusing at the same time.

I instinctively wanted to teach Fenris to read (Reading is Fundemental!), but caught the heart just in time. :happy:

Artoz96 wrote...

I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

Absolutely. Homosexuality was widespread throughout history.

[truestatic]

My big problem: no matter what pants I wear, every single romanceable NPC will want in them. This seems unlikely, and detracts from the identity of the NPC's themselves.

[Artoz96]

The Angry One wrote...

Artoz96 wrote...

I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

Hey, guess what? There were gay knights. There were gay Samurai. There were gay Spartans.
I'm glad BioWare is not limited by your personal lack of imagination or ignorance of history.

Angry one - this is history. History - Angry one. I am happy you meat each other.

So Japan... is it near Europe? Or... maybe when we talk about knights we mean samurai?  Or maybe... just imagine this... when we say medieval we mean europe (western)  from the end of Roman Empire to the time of Renaissance? You see what I mean? There is no samurais here, there is no spartans.

But ok, even if we are not talking about time and western mythology (there is no elves and dwarvs in Japan mythology). Knight is a warrior of Godб he follows bible, and samurai is warrior who follows bushido. It is quite different. If you are Knight you cant be gay.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
Exactly. The truth of the matter is certain people don't want to accept that bisexual and gay people are just like everyone else.
That's not political correctness. I'm about as PC as nuclear powered aerosol. It is a statement of fact.

This entire thing is political correctness taken to insane levels. Gaider's statement is nothing but political correct mumbo-jumbo. "Oh your the majority so you owe them this and feel guility about it."

casedawgz wrote...
Actually, it seems pretty clear that you ARE a terrible person.

I truly value your opinion good sir. I will cry myself to sleep knowing that you think this.

[v_ware]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Make a homosex option at character creation, every problem is solved.

Seriously though, David Gaider has no clue. He says that romances are for everyone - and that's not true. It's simple as that. If you are a straight man, you do not have any straight romances in the ENTIRE game as everyone is bisexual. 

So basically, David says that the romances are for everyone...but for straight people.

Eloquent, eh? 

So you wouldn't be with a bisexual girl. You love her, she loves you, but because she also likes girls, you can't romance her.

Hypocrite.

[truestatic]

Artoz96 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Artoz96 wrote...

I cant imagine gay knight, can you?

Hey, guess what? There were gay knights. There were gay Samurai. There were gay Spartans.
I'm glad BioWare is not limited by your personal lack of imagination or ignorance of history.

Angry one - this is history. History - Angry one. I am happy you meat each other.

So Japan... is it near Europe? Or... maybe when we talk about knights we mean samurai?  Or maybe... just imagine this... when we say medieval we mean europe (western)  from the end of Roman Empire to the time of Renaissance? You see what I mean? There is no samurais here, there is no spartans.

But ok, even if we are not talking about time and western mythology (there is no elves and dwarvs in Japan mythology). Knight is a warrior of Godб he follows bible, and samurai is warrior who follows bushido. It is quite different. If you are Knight you cant be gay.

I think you're thinking of a Paladin.

[Wolverfrog]

The game isn't a bloody dating simulation.

[AkiKishi]

v_ware wrote...
So you wouldn't be with a bisexual girl. You love her, she loves you, but because she also likes girls, you can't romance her.

Hypocrite.

No way dude ! When I got the chance I thought I'd hit the jackpot.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
Enough with your slippery slopes. It is fine as it is now, and you have yet to come up with a single valid argument as to why it is not aside from your obvious self-entitlement issues and useless "where will it end!" fallacies.

Oh please. Your entire argument is based around the idea that gay players are "entitled" to this content which is absolute BS. Just because you think it is fine now, doesn't mean it is so.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 24 mars 2011 - 07:28 .

[v_ware]

plixer911 wrote...
I almost feel bad being heterosexual  .

Nah, more seriously I'm far from being homophobic but having male video game character trying to F***** me in the A****  still feels wrong to me.  I don't like it at all.

A guy who likes you wants to **** you in the ass? It's not all about the sex you know.

[Altima Darkspells]

truestatic wrote...

My big problem: no matter what pants I wear, every single romanceable NPC will want in them.

Wear a skirt.  There's more room?

[v_ware]

BobSmith101 wrote...

v_ware wrote...
So you wouldn't be with a bisexual girl. You love her, she loves you, but because she also likes girls, you can't romance her.

Hypocrite.

No way dude ! When I got the chance I thought I'd hit the jackpot.

Exactly.

[truestatic]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

truestatic wrote...

My big problem: no matter what pants I wear, every single romanceable NPC will want in them.

Wear a skirt.  There's more room?

Parachute pants, bro.

[Captain Jazz]

One thing I can definitely agree with that keeps coming up in this thread - they could have done a better job. Of course they could, there's a lot they could have done better with this one, although I still think that DA2 is one of the better games in recent history.

I have to disagree with the complaint of making all LI's bi though. Sure, it seems a little unrealistic from our point of view, but there are reasons for that which apply in our world and do not apply in the Dragon Age world.
Firstly, we're all pretty much nobodies. Ok, some of us might be important in some little way, some of us might even be important in some big way, but none of us are mythic heroes of legend and wonder. Irrelevant to the issue? Nope. Hawke is, in theory, a one in a billion person, the type of person who can turn a person's head. Personally, I'm a straight male, but I can conceive of falling for another guy if they were the type of person that Hawke is supposed to be. Sure, you could argue that this makes me bi, but not in any meaningful sense, the chances are that I'm never going to meet such a guy, I'd say somewhere in the region of .01% but it is still a possibility.
Secondly, we live in a world which has been run almost entirely by patriarchal religions, which have a habit of being a little squeamish about sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular, for a couple of thousand years, the same is not true of Thedas. There is the chantry, true, but they are a matriarchal religion, except in Tevinter, and have their own pet prejudices against magic and elves.
Third, it's a ****ing game. SERIOUSLY.
Fourth, if it really makes you feel icky, you can just avoid flirting with those characters your character shares a genital design with and pretend that the option isn't there - we used to use a similar tactic in p&p games called "imagination."

I also have to disagree with what seems to be Bastal's major point. As may not be obvious from my avatar, I am a straight male gamer, yet I do not feel that I have been neglected at all.
It's fair enough to be upset about getting the same treatment as everyone else (an outrage, it's quite true) but I think I speak for everyone when I say that I really wish people wouldn't pretend to speak for me while they're really only speaking for themselves.

[mesmerizedish]

ReconTeam wrote...

This entire thing is political correctness taken to insane levels. Gaider's statement is nothing but political correct mumbo-jumbo. "Oh your the majority so you owe them this and feel guility about it."

That's not at all what Mr. Gaider said...

[The Angry One]

Artoz96 wrote...

Angry one - this is history. History - Angry one. I am happy you meat each other.

So Japan... is it near Europe? Or... maybe when we talk about knights we mean samurai?  Or maybe... just imagine this... when we say medieval we mean europe (western)  from the end of Roman Empire to the time of Renaissance? You see what I mean? There is no samurais here, there is no spartans.

But ok, even if we are not talking about time and western mythology (there is no elves and dwarvs in Japan mythology). Knight is a warrior of Godб he follows bible, and samurai is warrior who follows bushido. It is quite different. If you are Knight you cant be gay.

I suggest you read up on your history and don't come back until you stop confusing knights with crusaders.

[v_ware]

Wolverfrog wrote...

The game isn't a bloody dating simulation.

Totally, why are so many guys offended by this? It isn't the games focus. Not by a long shot, get over yourself.

Hook up with Isabela and get some boob or whatever you guys fancy in a women.

[v_ware]

truestatic wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

truestatic wrote...
My big problem: no matter what pants I wear, every single romanceable NPC will want in them.

Wear a skirt.  There's more room?

Parachute pants, bro.

HAMMERTIME!

[Ryzaki]

truestatic wrote...

My big problem: no matter what pants I wear, every single romanceable NPC will want in them. This seems unlikely, and detracts from the identity of the NPC's themselves.

NPCs will only want in your pants (well Fen and Merrill) if you initate it. 

Izzy just wants to have fun. And Anders is a clingy jealous and possive male. 

4 people to me isn't that big a deal seeing as how in Origins you could sleep with 4 different people easily. (And hell 4 at thesame time if you played your cards right). 

[Inquisitor Recon]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
That's not at all what Mr. Gaider said...

Talk of "privilege" is exactly that.

[AlanC9]

casedawgz wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Too late. I'm sure it is already being quoted into some abomination of a post explaining how I'm a downright terrible person who is drinking fresh blood for the skull of a baby while I'm sitting on a pile of money made by the oppression of sometbody or another.

You want gay LIs? Go ahead and argue for them, but don't expect me to support you, don't try to play the guilt card, and don't expect me to shut up if it begins to hurt the quality of the game for others. Also when is this office-place politically correct mentality going to end? Does Bioware require one person of every race and sexual orientation now? Does DA3 need transvestite LIs? If by not including (insert demand here) are they doing something horribly offensive to somebody? At this stage they would be better off by not including any romances to begin with.

Actually, it seems pretty clear that you ARE a terrible person.

I lol'ed.