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[Lianaar]

I did enjoy reading Dante Alligheri, but I am unsure about the depth. It reflected the era he lived in in my books. Though again, it was one of the few books of the era that I did enjoy reading.

[Lithuasil]

DanteCousland wrote...

Self inserted fan fiction, not sure what your on about?. I was on about the divine comedy a famous poem, by dante algihieri basically dante goes through purgatory paradise and hell and he describes what he sees and his thoughts.

Exactly that. They guy wrote a book about himself and the poet he adores the most, teaming up to kick satans ass.
I didn't say it was a bad read mind you, especially recognizing its age, but it's about as shallow and broody as you could get during that time.

[DanteCousland]

Needless to say I only brung up the Divine Comedy to prove a point to someone, Even when I romanced Fenris he still seemed broody.

[DanteCousland]

@Lithuasil fair enough but he is a very complex character in my books.

[Wulfram]

There's a dialogue between Merrill and Isabela that makes me sad for both of them. Neither of them are happy with who they are.

[DanteCousland]

I get the drift they kind of want to be each other. Merril wants to live a bit, enjoy life and Isabela doesnt want to be such a shallow spunk dumpster.

[JediMB]

Since I didn't approve of Fenris' dislike for mages, I was dead set on that I'd end up on the Rivalry path with him. As it turns out, my friendly nature and hatred of slavery put a stop to that, and before I stopped playing (due to bugs), Fenris had just told me that I'm his first friend.

I think I'm going to have to Yaoi-romance him at some point. Just because.

(I usually play female characters.)

Modifié par JediMB, 24 mars 2011 - 05:51 .

[leeboi2]

So the characters from games such as CoD have much deeper characters?...Yeah, really...

[Grissium]

Yeah I wasn't an Isabella fan at first at all, I only had her because I wanted a rogue and needed melee in my party build. But as the game progressed I really came to like her character, she had some hidden depths, and was surprisingly loyal to me. The thing is in Isabella's mind Hawke isn't the center of the story, she is

[Lianaar]

DanteCousland wrote...

I get the drift they kind of want to be each other. Merril wants to live a bit, enjoy life and Isabela doesnt want to be such a shallow spunk dumpster.

I am not sure Isabel wants to change her life. She merely thinks other people might deserve more then what she has. Isabel made a few decisions that caused her to lose a lot, and she is struggling with the concept of having a real friend. It is not easy to accept this and act in a way that differs from what life has thought you. I think she believes in a short life and that she shall not live to grow old (because of her occupation). As a dueler, she strives for making a name for herself too. She probably was betrayed one too many times.

I did not like her at all, but especially watching her "friendship" to Aveline evolve made me reconsider. She turns out to be a rather caring person.

[Arppis]

DanteCousland wrote...

I used dante because I love the story of dantes inferno and I thought the name sounded cool. I have never played DMC....

Ah? Dante is a cool name. I would love to try Dante's inferno sometime.

DMC series is awesome, but it is difficult to master. Once you get hang of it, you'll blast trough your advessaries thou!

[JediMB]

It's a bit of a cliché, but Isabela has that whole "I don't want to hurt the people I'm close to, so I won't allow myself to get close to them" attitude. As such, she's never had much need for loyalty in either direction, but that can obviously change.

[Grissium]

Lianaar wrote...

I did not like her at all, but especially watching her "friendship" to Aveline evolve made me reconsider. She turns out to be a rather caring person.

I forgot about that bit, that was pretty cool as well.

[Arppis]

JediMB wrote...

It's a bit of a cliché, but Isabela has that whole "I don't want to hurt the people I'm close to, so I won't allow myself to get close to them" attitude. As such, she's never had much need for loyalty in either direction, but that can obviously change.

What? That's the best attitude of them all! I always RP a hero like that, the kind of who rides in to the sunset leaving everything behind him, torwards the new adventures! 

[JediMB]

Arppis wrote...

JediMB wrote...

It's a bit of a cliché, but Isabela has that whole "I don't want to hurt the people I'm close to, so I won't allow myself to get close to them" attitude. As such, she's never had much need for loyalty in either direction, but that can obviously change.

What? That's the best attitude of them all! I always RP a hero like that, the kind of who rides in to the sunset leaving everything behind him, torwards the new adventures! 

Until you realize that the people you left behind were actually important to you, and turn around.

Modifié par JediMB, 24 mars 2011 - 06:08 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

All the characters have some depth beyond "insert-necessary-worldview-to-make-player-care-here"; it's just a matter of how much time the player wants to put into the choices and relationships.  I still don't love all the characters, but switching up the parties and selecting different options made me understand them much better.

[RevanchistStenn]

I won't agree about Isabela, but I did find Fenris irritating almost the second he got on screen. His lyrium-lined skin motif is great. Artistically, he looks good. But his personality I found to be really disappointing. He just gave me nothing that I wasn't already expecting. Every part of his personal quest felt very obvious. There were only moments that I really appreciated his character, when he did things I didn't expect, like laugh at one of my jokes. I don't mind that he's incendiary and hateful of magic. Those make sense of his character. But the only time you ever see him drop the kid outside of a Hot Topic routine in my experience is in the split second interactions with characters like Varric and Sebastian. I wanted way more of that. Fenris likes gambling and hanging out at the bar? Awesome. Fenris is actually considering Sebastian's religious point of view? Cool. But he spends the vast majority of his time talking about his stained soul with little sense of irony, and I just struggled to take him seriously. He's a guy who only sort of won me over later, on accident.

[Arppis]

JediMB wrote...

Arppis wrote...

JediMB wrote...

It's a bit of a cliché, but Isabela has that whole "I don't want to hurt the people I'm close to, so I won't allow myself to get close to them" attitude. As such, she's never had much need for loyalty in either direction, but that can obviously change.

What? That's the best attitude of them all! I always RP a hero like that, the kind of who rides in to the sunset leaving everything behind him, torwards the new adventures! 

Until you realize that the people you left behind were actually important to you, and turn around.

Hehe, I'll return when they need me the most.

[Cyberfrog81]

"I like big boats, I cannot lie." - Isabela

It's not like that's going to change.

[Arppis]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

"I like big boats, I cannot lie." - Isabela

It's not like that's going to change.

True dat. Sometimes characters don't have to be super complex.

(cool hair your dwarf has!  )

[cglasgow]

You have to admit that anybody who can stop in the middle of a stereotypical emo rant before he really gets going and say 'You're not the author of my misery... why am I angry at you?' doesn't have some depth, at least.  

[Arppis]

cglasgow wrote...



You have to admit that anybody who can stop in the middle of a stereotypical emo rant before he really gets going and say 'You're not the author of my misery... why am I angry at you?' doesn't have some depth, at least.  

Where was the anger sex?!

[Nathan Redgrave]

I submit that Fenris's simultaneous hatred of slavery and opinion that the necessity of mage confinement supercedes any ideals of freedom one might support, are anything but two-dimensional. However, that said, if you think any of the characters in DA2 are "the most 2D characters evaaaar!!!11!!1!one", you clearly haven't seen many two-dimensional characters.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

The writers used a classic characterization trick.

Which did't work, because things like Isabela bein bugged if gone friendly path, and both Isabela and Fenris being so shallow and, to some people, repulsive, that noone even bothered to try and dig deeper into their personalities (also, actor who played Fenris sometimes caused "I AM ACTING" shouts from my mouth).
Take Sten for example - the situations he was in, his voice, character, everything just pulled you to him and gave a feeling of need to solve his quest just to find out why he did what he did.