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[tonywc]

There has been a lot of talk on the
relationships you can have with the characters in DA2. I noticed quite a change
from DAO to this game. And after reading the Kotaku article http://kotaku.com/#!...xuality-balance I
figured I would share my piece on the matter.

I'll be candid about my feelings as I first
started playing through DA2. I felt uncomfortable getting hit on by several men
in all in a row. I added Fenris, Anders, then did a quest which took me to the
red lantern district where a male elf hit on me and eventually I ran across
Zevran in the game. I don't consider myself a homophobe or someone who thinks
less of homosexuals or anything I just felt like it was pushed. I may have
gotten a small taste of what it's like for a girl to be ogled and given all sorts
of attention that's unwanted. I felt I had to be cautious about my
selection because I didn’t want to lead people on.

Luckily things seemed to settle down after the
first act of the game. I also noticed Isabella’s sexual obsessions and Merrill’s
potential interest and it started to occur to me that perhaps the problem is
just that there are too many people out to bed you. Or too many people to bed.
Even looking back to MA2 and realized that it was a bit ridiculous that I had
so many women all falling all over me. Yes I had choice but the sheer number
made it unrealistic. Recalling MA1 I remember having a choice of only
two women and I still prefer the relationship I chose there to any of the MA2
relationships. But that’s getting away form DA2.

I’m not suggesting that straight male players
get more choices than any other group, but I do think maybe toning down the
sexuality and the options for all might be a good thing. Or even limit your
choices by what you choose to be as in, Merrill is into you because you’re a mage,
but Fenris wouldn’t go near you romantically, but he will be your friend. Or Isabella
is into you because you’re a rogue but Aveline wouldn’t go near you
romantically because of this. I’d love to see your class give you different
dialog options between your companions and other NPC’s, but I digress. Sometimes
less is more, that’s all I’m saying.

Overall great job on the game.

Modifié par tonywc, 24 mars 2011 - 05:53 .

[Gamer Ftw]

I think there should be more sex also more nudity everyone in the blooming rose should be naked and engaged In various creative sex acts.
Also I think all Li should offer you group sexy times with other party members.
It's spelled ROGUE not rouge.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 24 mars 2011 - 05:44 .

[KenKenpachi]

Hmm, I didn't have that problem at all on my recent play. No one hit on Hawke at all minus Merrill, and she was the only one I had set to rivalry as well and I was gunning for her, which even I found odd.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 24 mars 2011 - 06:13 .

[Kawamura]

I must be playing this game wrong, because no one really hit on me.

I mean. Outside of ****s. Which, really, what else should one expect? That's just good business practices.

[Maiafay]

Personally, I enjoyed everyone hitting on me. It made my Hawke feel sexy and desirable. I wish there were more to the romances (would have enjoyed an underwear romp - or two, or three - with Fenris), not less. Ah well, maybe DA3.

Modifié par Maiafay, 24 mars 2011 - 06:33 .

[Spanishcat]

I've no idea how anyone could be made to feel in any way even the slightest bit uncomfortable, by anything anyone says in the game. At all. Ever... Have I done my incredulity at your thread justice? I believe so! ;-)

I played as female mage, and I think I was 'hit' on once or twice in 60hrs. I flirted with Aveline a little, got it on with Isabela, and finally courted Merril. I didn't detect an over sexualisation of anything in the entire game, so I think at best it's just peoples perception - at worse? Latent prejudice.

I concentrated on the narrative, and the romances simply felt an organic part of the whole.

[fluorine7]

You DO realize.... Bioware didn't just spend millions of dollars to create a game to satisfy YOU... There're actually other people with different taste who play this game.... You do realize that, do you?

In fact, Both Isabella and Merrill were hitting on me during my playthrough. Elf in Blooming rose and Zevran will hit on Hawke regardless which gender you pick, which is very logical choice for Bioware, Elf in Blooming Rose is just doing his job, just in case you didn't realize Blooming Rose is a brothel, Zevran will hit on EVERYONE, he even hit on Wynne in DA:O, that's his personality.

I personality think we don't have enough romance quests/scene/LIs/options.

[ejoslin]

I will add... Fenris doesn't flirt unless you flirt first. Same with Zevran. If you pick those icons, that's flirting. Anders is the only one I believe who will flirt first.

[Vhalkyrie]

I just ignored or put the hammer down on any flirtatious advances I didn't want.  Just like real life. 

So no, I'm not bothered by it.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 24 mars 2011 - 06:52 .

[Anariel Theirin]

The best I could say to that is that I entirely agree with what Gaider said about that: "And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as "political correctness" if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want."

For the record, I'm a heterosexual female with no hang-ups about same sex romances. While I have certain gripes with DA2 in other area, I thought that it was awesome that they made the characters all able to swing one way or the other, and never took any offense at the flirts (while were so very subtle and small, imo) coming from any of the characters, male or female. I'm actually really surprised to hear anyone complaining about that. I applaud DA2 for going about the romances this way, and frankly, I had fun with it. Even though I don't swing that way, my Hawke totally hooked up with Isabella for some fun.

[Anariel Theirin]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

I just ignored or put the hammer down on any flirtatious advances I didn't want.  Just like real life. 

So no, I'm not bothered by it.

Exactly!

[fluorine7]

I think there're people just get uncomfortable about gay relationship in general. It doesn't matter how it is presented. Apparently OP has no issue about heterosexual flirt. The majority of the complain comes from male NPCs flirting with PC.

The title should not be "companions over-sexualized", but rather"male NPCs is hitting on me!!! OMG please help I feel dirty".

[Taura-Tierno]

And should they have removed Isabela completely, then? She's all about sex on the surface. 90% of her jokes are about sex, and the other 10% just alludes to it weakly. If you want that as well, I accept your opinion. It's perfectly alright with me if someone wants the sexuality in the games to be toned down. But it should be done with everything, not just the gay parts.

That said, basically nobody hit on my Hawke. Fenris did, because I romanced him. Isabela made a few remarks, but that's just how she is. Anders never hit on my character. Neither did Merril. Isabela didn't hit on him either, aside from joking around.

[Vhalkyrie]

fluorine7 wrote...

I think there're people just get uncomfortable about gay relationship in general. It doesn't matter how it is presented. Apparently OP has no issue about heterosexual flirt. The majority of the complain comes from male NPCs flirting with PC.

The title should not be "companions over-sexualized", but rather"male NPCs is hitting on me!!! OMG please help I feel dirty".

The only thing I'm bothered by is the female love interest options for my male Hawke.  Isabela is a dirty dirty, and cutesy Merrill is not attractive in the least (to me).  The only girl I'd be interested in is Aveline, and she's not interested - sniff.  So my male Hawke is celibate.  As for the dudes hitting on my male Hawke - hey, he's hot.    He's so hot, EVERYONE wants him!

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 24 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[CormiacRu]

I must have done something wrong, because other then Isabella and the elf in the brothel, I don't recall getting hit on at all unless I instigated it by choosing a heart option in the dialogue.

I do wish that everyone was not bi-sexual. That just seems like lazy programming. I think the game would have been better served staying more like DAO where some were male only, some were female only and some were bi.

[ejoslin]

I think it's great that the romances are bisexual. It doesn't take away from anything if you're not, and it gives everyone the chance to romance whom they want to without a mod.

[tonywc]

In sharing my opinions and impressions I don't expect them to tailor the game directly to me. And I realize there will be some characters that are more sexual than others. I also brought up MA2 because I feel like it's too much as well and in my play through it was all women hitting on me. I also realize not everyone will share my opinions and that's totally fine.

Thanks for responding!

[Vhalkyrie]

In rl, I'm hetero and I am not interested in bi men. But this is just a game, so the fact that the 'characters' are doesn't bother me. I find it interesting to be able to switch genders and see the differences in the romance options. In DAO, my female warden only got to nookie with the Cousland guest, Alistair, and Zevran. However, when I switched to a male warden, I was kissing everything from the wilds to Denerim! There were a few makeout sessions with tavern girls, and a 'hero's' kiss from a damsel in distress! I was like, "no fair"!

I miss the jealousy options from DAO. Like when my male warden asked for a kiss from the girl in Lothering for saving her little brother, both Morrigan and Leliana had outraged comments and my approval with both dropped like a rock - lol.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 24 mars 2011 - 07:18 .

[ejoslin]

But you're complaining about characters hitting on you who don't unless you flirt first! Zevran won't hit on you if you don't flirt nor will Fenris. Nor will Merrill. So... you've got Anders and the elven prostitute (who IS a prostitute so it's his living).

Edit: When you complain about things that don't happen, it's a bit frustrating and it does sound like bigotry.  Ok, so both Fenris and Zevran WILL respond to YOUR flirting.  Why do you feel the need to press the "flirt" icon to begin with?  Or did you just read somewhere that they do, so decided to complain anyway?

Ah well.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 mars 2011 - 07:19 .

[Kawamura]

CormiacRu wrote...

I must have done something wrong, because other then Isabella and the elf in the brothel, I don't recall getting hit on at all unless I instigated it by choosing a heart option in the dialogue.

I do wish that everyone was not bi-sexual. That just seems like lazy programming. I think the game would have been better served staying more like DAO where some were male only, some were female only and some were bi.

D:

Lazy programing? You mean, letting those of us that want access to the LI as whatever sex we play is lazy? 

I'm -- not sure that's correct.

[Trophonius]

Fenris doesn't initiate anything unless you did. If it happened, then you most likely chose a flirt line that began some sort of romance between you two. Anders is the only male LI who flirts with you regardless. Even so, if you're playing m!Hawke, he's clearly still mourning Karl's death and simply tells you that it's not the right time. You can reject him from there and the dialogue will change from infatuated to strictly friendship. The only thing is that talking to him as a friend feels like he's harboring unrequited feelings for you.

[tonywc]

ejoslin wrote...

But you're complaining about characters hitting on you who don't unless you flirt first! Zevran won't hit on you if you don't flirt nor will Fenris. Nor will Merrill. So... you've got Anders and the elven prostitute (who IS a prostitute so it's his living).

Edit: When you complain about things that don't happen, it's a bit frustrating and it does sound like bigotry.  Ok, so both Fenris and Zevran WILL respond to YOUR flirting.  Why do you feel the need to press the "flirt" icon to begin with?  Or did you just read somewhere that they do, so decided to complain anyway?

Ah well.

Actually my go-to response probably 80 - 90% of the game was the peace response. I flirted with Merrill and Isabella and persued a relationship with Isabella. I had to turn Fernis down and I want to say I had to turn Anders down twice.

[ejoslin]

tonywc wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

But you're complaining about characters hitting on you who don't unless you flirt first! Zevran won't hit on you if you don't flirt nor will Fenris. Nor will Merrill. So... you've got Anders and the elven prostitute (who IS a prostitute so it's his living).

Edit: When you complain about things that don't happen, it's a bit frustrating and it does sound like bigotry.  Ok, so both Fenris and Zevran WILL respond to YOUR flirting.  Why do you feel the need to press the "flirt" icon to begin with?  Or did you just read somewhere that they do, so decided to complain anyway?

Ah well.

Actually my go-to response probably 80 - 90% of the game was the peace response. I flirted with Merrill and Isabella and persued a relationship with Isabella. I had to turn Fernis down and I want to say I had to turn Anders down twice.

Fenris does not make a move on you unless you flirt.  So at least once you hit that icon if you actually had a heartbreak icon come up with him.

Edit: And since Zevran didn't hit on you, what exactly is the issue with him being in the game?  Is he some sort of offensive symbol to you?  I always romance Zevran on a female warden, and my only issue with him being there is the wrong lines were triggering.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 mars 2011 - 07:32 .

[hoorayforicecream]

I think the main issue is that sometimes you feel trapped because there's no 'nice' way to deal with a person without rejecting their advances, which means a potential friend/rivalry hit you don't want.

[Saboteur-6]

For the bajillionth time...Dragon Age 2 is HAWKE sexual. Meaning yeah apparently BioWare likes to have damn near every party member, NPC, Golem, and stray cat want to get nasty with Hawke. If you're a straight male Hawke guess what!?! The game still is going to throw fawning Dalish dudes at you right alongside of Isabella's mammoth mammaries. Deal with it.

Modifié par Vech24, 24 mars 2011 - 07:41 .