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[The Minority]

Kryyptehk wrote...

As a woman, who played a woman on my first game and romanced Anders...Anders seriously came on strong. I usually always play flirtatious characters but as soon as I flirted with him, he was like "I'll break your heart!". Not to mention he comes on to you when you are just having a conversation with him. And if you are going for full friendship, you get punished if you turn him down.

Luckily, it's really only the first time you talk to him in "Talk to Anders". But I was really put off and a little hesitant to go back a talk to him another time, because it really freaked me out. I can tell why people would be put off by how strongly he comes on to you at first, because I felt the same.

I didn't think anyone else came on as strongly without it being in their characterization. Isabela did, but she's a slattern (lol) so it's expected of her. Not to mention that it is mostly used as flirtation rather than "I want to be with you" talk. I went through an entire game without Merrill flirting with me. And Fenris only ever seemed to respond to my flirts or pay me compliments, but the compliments didn't feel sexual.

True, the male prostitute Jethann hits on you but he is a prostitute...so yeah. Not to mention a lot of the street prostitutes do too. And I don't remember seeing any male street prostitutes.

I agree on the Anders' thing. He came on waaaaay too strong.

Anders:"I feel like I really know you even though we just met"
Hawke:"Ummmm.... I'll be leaving..."

[ColaQueen]

First of all they are all consenting adults

second of all my femhawke is a rogue who likes sex, she doesn't mind a little flirt even if it's from people she's not interested in. I mean that happens in the real world all the time.

What's so uncomfortable about people hitting on your character? You don't have to take them up on it. Frankly it's nice to be desired.

EDT to say: please stop thinking of rivalry points as punishment. Rivalry is not punishment, it's simply a different type of relationship. It is not the same as DAO where you have to be all because you said or did the wrong thing and now you have to bribe your companions back into friendship. Not everybody can like everything you do or say, but it doesn't mean they are gonna hate you or stop talking to you.

Modifié par SilverSentinel, 24 mars 2011 - 10:23 .

[HolyJellyfish]

I get the impression that Hawke isn't the only party member that your companions are interested in or fawning over.

Carver seems interested in Merrill.

It seems clear that Fenris has probably had sex with Isabela, if you did not romance him(And maybe her?)

Isabela recalls quite happily about encountering Anders back in Ferelden, and his 'lightning fingers'.

Bethany seems curious about Anders.

Isabela just wants everyone (With exception to Aveline and probably Merrill)

Really. They just want to sleep with eachother. Its like college.

[hoorayforicecream]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Isabela just wants everyone (With exception to Aveline and probably Merrill)

I disagree. She's a huge flirt, but will really only sleep with Hawke or Fenris. Everyone else is just playful banter and teasing. With regards to Anders, she didn't recognize him when she saw him. She only remembered the funny story about the lightning thing at the Pearl. Her treatment of Anders is inconsistent with the rest of her previous lovers, including Leliana, the Warden, Zevran, and the ones she mentions in her banter.

[Maria13]

No actually, I think Isabella wants Aveline more than anybody... Typical example of the bad girl lusting after goodie two shoes... But of course she'll never ever get her...

[Maria13]

HolyJellyfish wrote...


Really. They just want to sleep with eachother. Its like college.

*Sigh* my college time was never like that, perhaps that's why I'm spending my dotage mooning over characters in a computer game...

[Kryyptehk]

SilverSentinel wrote...

First of all they are all consenting adults

second of all my femhawke is a rogue who likes sex, she doesn't mind a little flirt even if it's from people she's not interested in. I mean that happens in the real world all the time.

What's so uncomfortable about people hitting on your character? You don't have to take them up on it. Frankly it's nice to be desired.

EDT to say: please stop thinking of rivalry points as punishment. Rivalry is not punishment, it's simply a different type of relationship. It is not the same as DAO where you have to be all because you said or did the wrong thing and now you have to bribe your companions back into friendship. Not everybody can like everything you do or say, but it doesn't mean they are gonna hate you or stop talking to you.

It IS a punishment if you are gearing towards a certain relationship. If you want to be full friendship with Anders then you would PREFER to not get rivalry points with him just for turning him down.

[The Minority]

Maria13 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...


Really. They just want to sleep with eachother. Its like college.

*Sigh* my college time was never like that, perhaps that's why I'm spending my dotage mooning over characters in a computer game...

[ejoslin]

Hmmm, now assuming you HAVE to break it off with Anders without starting anything -- how big of a rivalry it is it? I swear, next playthrough I'll try not flirting with him at all and see if I still get that </3 situation. I've seen it, but I flirted with him beforehand so I deserved taking a hit.

[Kryyptehk]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, now assuming you HAVE to break it off with Anders without starting anything -- how big of a rivalry it is it? I swear, next playthrough I'll try not flirting with him at all and see if I still get that </3 situation. I've seen it, but I flirted with him beforehand so I deserved taking a hit.

Probably not much, I'll admit that I've never turned him down from flirting. Usually I just quickly get in another romance before he charms me...again lol. But the point is that you shouldn't get rivalry points at all for simply not being interested. My point is this; the same action that gets you rivalry points would be to send a mage to the Circle, something he disagrees with wholly. You shouldn't get any sort of points at all for choosing a different path with him.

[ejoslin]

Kryyptehk wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, now assuming you HAVE to break it off with Anders without starting anything -- how big of a rivalry it is it? I swear, next playthrough I'll try not flirting with him at all and see if I still get that </3 situation. I've seen it, but I flirted with him beforehand so I deserved taking a hit.

Probably not much, I'll admit that I've never turned him down from flirting. Usually I just quickly get in another romance before he charms me...again lol. But the point is that you shouldn't get rivalry points at all for simply not being interested. My point is this; the same action that gets you rivalry points would be to send a mage to the Circle, something he disagrees with wholly. You shouldn't get any sort of points at all for choosing a different path with him.

Well, that's why I want to see if you actually get a hit.  It's possible you don't.

[ColaQueen]

Hmm this Anders thing is weird, I flirted with him three times and in the end he said "no I'll hurt you". I know that it's just the beginning and it will lead to more later, but Hawke is taking that as 'not gonna happen'

Who is this Anders that hits on everyone and they have to rival the hell out of him to get him off their backs? LOL no matter what I do my friend meter goes up and up and he won't even look at me sideways.

EDT: maybe Anders prefers a rivalmance and that's why you get the 'hit'[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/kissing.png[/smilie]

Modifié par SilverSentinel, 24 mars 2011 - 11:10 .

[MorningBird]

In regards to the Fenris dialogue ("Had I known Anso would would find me a man/woman so capable, I might of asked him to look sooner.") he's... not actually flirting with you.

I selected the 'rejection' dialogue once during this conversation because my Hawke was pursuing someone else ("Let's just keep this friendly, shall we?") Fenris' response was something along the lines of "Of course. I never meant for it to be taken as anything else."

Basically, Hawke can use what Fenris said as an opening to instigate his/her own flirting, but Fenris himself doesn't START the flirting.

At least, that was the impression I got.

I had another play-through with a female Hawke who neither flirted or outright 'rejected' Fenris, and Fenris never made a move on her.

EDIT:  In regards to Anders, you do always take a hit for rejecting his flirting.  If you choose mostly 'good/diplomatic' dialogue with him, Anders will hit on Hawke (without any previous flirting, on Hawke's end.)

This happened in one of my play-throughs.  I didn't hit on Anders at all (none of the moments felt 'right' xD) but because I was playing a good/diplomatic character, Anders still hit on my Hawke.

Fortunately, I was planning on romancing him anyway that play-through, so I didn't take a hit to my friendship points.  Other people who were also playing good/diplomatic characters (with NO intention to romance Anders) did receive rivalry points when they turned him down.

That being said, I tend to be pro-mage, and Anders was always in my party (healer) so he was incredibly easy to max out on friendship.

Modifié par MorningBird, 24 mars 2011 - 11:17 .

[Torax]

Fenris is all business. Merrill also doesn't flirt. You have to initiate it. Isabela flirts as a joke just like Zev does. Anders much like Fenris has to be instigated by you no matter if you're female or male. One of the really strong points to the newer character wheel with symbols is not getting the wrong result of a conversation besides Friendship/Rivalry points.

It isn't like Origins where suddenly a character is trying to compliment your hair or another openly saying how their bedroll is so cold all alone.

[Camenae]

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, now assuming you HAVE to break it off with Anders without starting anything -- how big of a rivalry it is it? I swear, next playthrough I'll try not flirting with him at all and see if I still get that </3 situation. I've seen it, but I flirted with him beforehand so I deserved taking a hit.

Hi ejoslin.  Do you have any plans to do a romance guide for any DA2 companion like you did for Zevran in origins?  That would be awesome..

[ColaQueen]

@morningbird

Yes, even if you choose the flirt line 'i like the way you look' or whatever all he does he say 'you say what's on your mind I'll give you that' which is not even really an indication of ooh yes I find you smexy too. I think you need to build it up with Fen. Or that is the impression I get. I think you would need to flirt several more times with him before he would even take you up on it.

[ejoslin]

Camenae wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hmmm, now assuming you HAVE to break it off with Anders without starting anything -- how big of a rivalry it is it? I swear, next playthrough I'll try not flirting with him at all and see if I still get that </3 situation. I've seen it, but I flirted with him beforehand so I deserved taking a hit.

Hi ejoslin.  Do you have any plans to do a romance guide for any DA2 companion like you did for Zevran in origins?  That would be awesome..

I hadn't really thought about it.  I think the romances are pretty straight forward, with just some small issues that may be confusing (Fenris and Isabela require monogomy for instance, even if it doesn't seem like it's reasonable).  But perhaps they are a bit more confusing than I realize.  If there's a need, I'll write one!  

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 mars 2011 - 11:25 .

[nowherekid85]

If one feels uncomfortable about their male Hawke being flirted with by male characters, why not play a female Hawke then? Problem solved, and you can just stare at a hot girl running around the entire game. Pretend you are actually Anders or Hawke and you're romancing the champion...lol just a thought...
Personally, I think all love interests should be able to be romanced by Hawke, no matter which gender you choose to play.
Some of the characters are more reserved, others come on to you stronger. It would be boring if every character had the same personality or approach.
My Hawke has no problem with being hit on-by male or female. Guess she's just not insecure and enjoys being wanted.

[fluorine7]

Maria13 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...


Really. They just want to sleep with eachother. Its like college.

*Sigh* my college time was never like that, perhaps that's why I'm spending my dotage mooning over characters in a computer game...

Silently second on this.... Everytime I watch TV or movie showing crazy spring breaks, I wonder why I never get that... The only thing I remember for Spring break is that it's right before the final, and there's a lot of term paper to write. 

[DeaHamlet]

Okay, people are bothering me with all the Anders rivalry points stuff.

Here is the thing.  Be nice to him.  Eventually he will come to the conclusion that the two of you are a bad idea (in the second convo).  Agreeing with him gives you 15 or 20 APPROVAL points.

If you people care that damn much about not getting rivalry points and turning him down, there's your answer.
*sighs*

[Maria Caliban]

ejoslin wrote...

Fenris does not make a move on you unless you flirt.  So at least once you hit that icon if you actually had a heartbreak icon come up with him.

This is incorrect.

For both Fenris and Anders, you can hit the heartbreak icon without having ever flirted with them.

[ejoslin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Fenris does not make a move on you unless you flirt.  So at least once you hit that icon if you actually had a heartbreak icon come up with him.

This is incorrect.

For both Fenris and Anders, you can hit the heartbreak icon without having ever flirted with them.

For Fenris as well?  I know for Anders, but Fenris I thought was designed to NOT start something unless Hawke started it.  You're not going to end up with Fenris slamming Hawke against the wall without flirting, this much I know.

[DeaHamlet]

MorningBird wrote...
EDIT:  In regards to Anders, you do always take a hit for rejecting his flirting.  If you choose mostly 'good/diplomatic' dialogue with him, Anders will hit on Hawke (without any previous flirting, on Hawke's end.)

This happened in one of my play-throughs.  I didn't hit on Anders at all (none of the moments felt 'right' xD) but because I was playing a good/diplomatic character, Anders still hit on my Hawke.

Fortunately, I was planning on romancing him anyway that play-through, so I didn't take a hit to my friendship points.  Other people who were also playing good/diplomatic characters (with NO intention to romance Anders) did receive rivalry points when they turned him down.

That being said, I tend to be pro-mage, and Anders was always in my party (healer) so he was incredibly easy to max out on friendship.

You did it wrong.
I accidently flirted with him on my Fenris-centric playthrough.  I simply let him go on and just chose diplomatic nice answers, never the asides that have the heart... after the 2nd convo he says something at the end about you and him being a really bad idea... all you have to do is agree with him.  He will say something along the lines of how he thought so... and give you a ton of FRIENDSHIP points.  15 or 20.  Easy as pie.

[DeaHamlet]

ejoslin wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Fenris does not make a move on you unless you flirt.  So at least once you hit that icon if you actually had a heartbreak icon come up with him.

This is incorrect.

For both Fenris and Anders, you can hit the heartbreak icon without having ever flirted with them.

For Fenris as well?  I know for Anders, but Fenris I thought was designed to NOT start something unless Hawke started it.  You're not going to end up with Fenris slamming Hawke against the wall without flirting, this much I know.

I even FLIRTED with Fenris the first time and he didn't hit on me other than to respond that he'll practice his flirting for next time.  Since I never picked another heart again, Fenris never flirted with me again.  No heartbreak icon or anything.
I don't understand what these people are doing...

As to Anders... he will flirt with you if you choose the diplomatic answer in the beginning.  Pick sarcasm, he'll still be cool with it and ZERO chance of any hearts popping up unexpectadly.
Again, if people are worried about rivalry and they MUST for some reason choose the diplomatic options, let Anders go on and on, keep choosing diplomatic options even if they get replaced by the heart until he says that you two are a BAD idea. Then you can turn him down by agreeing and get much friendship points.
I'm getting very ARG at all this. LOL

[ejoslin]

DeaHamlet wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Fenris does not make a move on you unless you flirt.  So at least once you hit that icon if you actually had a heartbreak icon come up with him.

This is incorrect.

For both Fenris and Anders, you can hit the heartbreak icon without having ever flirted with them.

For Fenris as well?  I know for Anders, but Fenris I thought was designed to NOT start something unless Hawke started it.  You're not going to end up with Fenris slamming Hawke against the wall without flirting, this much I know.

I even FLIRTED with Fenris the first time and he didn't hit on me other than to respond that he'll practice his flirting for next time.  Since I never picked another heart again, Fenris never flirted with me again.  No heartbreak icon or anything.
I don't understand what these people are doing...

As to Anders... he will flirt with you if you choose the diplomatic answer in the beginning.  Pick sarcasm, he'll still be cool with it and ZERO chance of any hearts popping up unexpectadly.
Again, if people are worried about rivalry and they MUST for some reason choose the diplomatic options, let Anders go on and on, keep choosing diplomatic options even if they get replaced by the heart until he says that you two are a BAD idea. Then you can turn him down by agreeing and get much friendship points.
I'm getting very ARG at all this. LOL

See, that's the thing -- I don't recall any attention from Fenris without outright flirting, and even at his major scenes, if you ddin't pick a flirt, he'd leave.  The only heartbreak scenes I remember are at the major scenes, when some body slamming is about to happen. Only at those points did I see the option to break up.  Later on, if you somehow managed to have the romance alive, there was a broken heart as well, but you have to be pretty actively wanting the relationship for it ot get to that point.

Though who knows -- it's possible I missed something.