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[Kawamura]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Honestly, I just want Bioware to add in some genderqueer folks and see the **** storm there. Oh, lord, a TG LI.

I'd like a companion (doesn't have to be LI) who doesn't conform to modern conventions of gender identity.

It wouldn't have to be transgender in the more specific use of the word - biologically X but identifies as Y. You could have a culture that views mages as a third sex or one where a woman only has certain rights/privileges by becoming socially male.

TG would refer to any deviation from the gender role norm. :3 that's why I used it instead of TS, which would be more like "assigned X, identifies as Y, engages in modification of body to fit".

A masculine genderqueer person would be an interesting thing to see. Usually, all I ever see are a few MtF's thrown in for comedy.

[MorningBird]

DeaHamlet wrote...

You did it wrong.
I accidently flirted with him on my Fenris-centric playthrough.  I simply let him go on and just chose diplomatic nice answers, never the asides that have the heart... after the 2nd convo he says something at the end about you and him being a really bad idea... all you have to do is agree with him.  He will say something along the lines of how he thought so... and give you a ton of FRIENDSHIP points.  15 or 20.  Easy as pie.

Actually, no, I didn't do it wrong as I never accidently flirted with Anders.  I very specifically AVOIDED flirting with him (even though I intended to romance him) because it struck me as a bit... tactless to hit on him right after he lost Karl.

In Act 1, if you stack diplomatic responses while talking to Anders, he WILL flirt with a Hawke ON HIS OWN when you speak to him after the Tranquility quest.

This is the dialogue:

Anders: I got a bit weighty the last time we talked.  Sorry for putting that on you.
Hawke: You can tell me anything.
Anders: Anything?  Be careful what you offer.  I just... I hope I didn't seem too selfish when I told you about Justice.  I didn't know what would happen.  I figured a willing host, a friend... it had to be better than playing the demon and haunting some corpse.
Hawke: We can't always predict the outcome of our actions.  We can only make them with a true heart.
Anders: Well, under that scruffy exterior, I think you've got a bit of a soft heart yourself.  I'm sorry, I shouldn't presume.  I just... we've hardly met and I feel like I know you.  Am I making you uncomfortable?

I've been led to believe that you get a similar response with a female Hawke:

Anders: You must have made a deal with some demons yourself.  Kind, wise and beautiful?  I'm sorry, I shouldn't presume...

But as I've never actually pursued Anders with a Lady!Hawke (nor do I intend to) I can't say for sure.

After Anders flirts with Hawke, Hawke has three responses:

Anders: Am I making you uncomfortable?

Hawke: Yes. </3
Hawke: No.
Hawke: It's... Unexpected.

If you select the 'Yes. </3' option you get 10 rivalry points from Anders.  I believe this scenario (not the one in act 2) is what most people are complaining about when they say they, 'were punished by the game for turning down Anders.'

If you're playing the game for the first time, you would have no idea that Anders is going to GIVE YOU AN OUT of the relationship in Act 2, so no one is 'doing it wrong' just because they decided to role-play out the scenario.



Not that I agree with the people who whine about receiving 10 rivalry points, mind you.  I got friendship points with Fenris all the time while trying to max his rivalry by agreeing that slavery was bad.  I was still able to max out his rivalry before the end of the game.

Modifié par MorningBird, 25 mars 2011 - 09:15 .

[Kawamura]

Really? I remember the "it's... unexpected" as being one of those three arrow responses.

[MorningBird]

Kawamura wrote...

Really? I remember the "it's... unexpected" as being one of those three arrow responses.

Really, really.  It's definitely a <3 response.

EDIT:  To clerify further, this is what Hawke says if you select 'It's... unexpected':

Hawke: Doesn't mean that I want you to stop.
Anders: I'll keep that in mind.

'It's unexpected' is actually the option I picked to initiate this romance with my Hawke.  lol!

Modifié par MorningBird, 25 mars 2011 - 07:52 .

[Kawamura]

Huh. Bad memory, I guess.

I coulda sworn. Ah, well. Good to see the mind is going early.

[MorningBird]

Kawamura wrote...

Huh. Bad memory, I guess.

I coulda sworn. Ah, well. Good to see the mind is going early.

lol, I would screenshot it for you, but I'm on the 360. Just believe me when I say that I have a savefile for RIGHT before this conversation takes place, and that I double-checked it before posting. xD

[Sabriana]

I'm as straight as straight can be, play only females, and always go for the f/m pairing. Simply because I have no interest in f/f or m/m pairings. It would be boring to me, so I just don't play it. That said, I've no problem at all with the bioware set-up. Whatever floats your boat. And that's as it should be, especially in RL. I hate that people get judged by their sexual preferences. It's RL that gets it wrong, not bioware.

I applaud bioware for trying to include everyone, the straight as well as the GBLT community. Bravo, I say, and I hope that other companies learn from them and do the same. I can't even count the times I had to play other games where my girls had to be either

a) lonely during the whole play-through (which mine were, sad to say, until a kind-hearted modder puts a male LI into the game.)

play a lesbian, because the only LI's were female NPC's who would go for femPC's as well. A clear afterthought. I was usually outraged to be overlooked, so I can see why the GLBT community feels left out most of the time.


I don't want Anders, he doesn't interest my Hawke girls. Therefore, I put the nix-hammer on him right away, by choosing "Yes, it bothers me." I don't mind the rivalry points at all, they make sense. He just tried to come on to her, and she declines. Certainly he's put out/disappointed. But come on, 10 measly (non-punishing) points?

I'm on my second play-through, and those ten measly points mean nothing. I can't keep Anders on the rivalry path to save my life. By the end of Act II, he is her friend, at 100 points and locked.

Isabela offers her bed in the way only Isabela can, to fem and male Hawke, but there is no convo-option. That's just her. She did the same to my Warden, calling her "sweet thing". Actually, I love Isabela. She is outrageous and outrageously funny.

I don't want less content, I want more. Come on, the only LI you have to actively hammer down is Anders, and it's no big deal. And no, Zevran will definitely not flirt with Hawke if she doesn't do it first. I so wish that people would stop assuming that if he shows up, he'll try to bed their PC's. Not true.

Isabela is his former lover, and if she comes on to him, why shouldn't he respond. The only jarring thing is that the import doesn't recognize that he's in a permanent relationship with the Warden. I know it's in the talk-table (he'll turn flirty Hawke down if the Warden is waiting for him), but the import function is screwed up. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly. I've come to expect that anything Zevran will go wrong game-mechanic wise.

EDITED for typos that snuck in my post. Never saw them coming.

Modifié par Sabriana, 25 mars 2011 - 08:17 .