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[Cyakura]

Pyrate_d wrote...

The bug only happens when switching specific companions when they have high friendship/rivalry, so it's entirely possible not to notice it. As for my "respect," I don't have any for some drooling moron who would pay Bioware for an enema.

WOOT .. now I am been called names for giving my 2 cents ) I likesit.. Bottom line.. I am enjoying my game, as for you Messer:) have a good life

[Joush]

19 days now. This isn't whining, this is a bunch of pissed off players making their opinions clear about bioware dropping the ball on this. Some of these flaws were things that major people on the team promised were fixed before launch and haven't even apologized for the lie in the nearly twenty days sense.

Whining is natural when you do anything with a game. It's going to happen. This is ****ing.

Whining doesn't mean anything. It's just people blowing off steam. ****ing gets loyal customers to stop preordering, wait a few months and start picking up your products cheap and used. ****ing gets passionate, energetic gamers to write reviews where your game gets a mediocre score then goes around warning friends not to pick it up, at least yet.

Unless Bioware is willing to be satisfied with an Obsidan-like reputation for ambitious games with fun ideas that are always four patches away from being done and shouldn't be bought in the first four months after release, they should pay attention to this reaction.

[Aggie Punbot]

Wait, the PC version has been patched twice already? Does that include the High Res patch? I was kind of hoping for a patch that would address game bugs.

[Jorrkit]

I just want Merrill to be fixed.

[Taura-Tierno]

HTTP 404 wrote...

New Vegas got a patch pretty quick, didnt fix much bugs but it helped. It would be nice if bioware did a patch for glitches and bugs they know about and can fix. Later make another patch/update for more complicated bugs and more bugs found later on. This is better than compiling a list and fixing it wholesale 2 months after the fact.

just wanted to add that 17 days really isnt that long...this thread would be more concerning if it was over a month from now.

Which bugs then, are minor glitches, and which are more complex?  Is the Isabela-Sebastian bug a minor glitch that's easy to fix? Or is it something complex that takes time? I could imagine that a spell not doing the correct damage might be an easy thing to fix, if it's just a number that's wrong. Should that take priority because it's simple, when it's something that really doesn't prevent the game from being played?

[back pain]

Patching software is hard work, fixing one thing may break five other things. I think Bioware is waiting until they can get auto attack to work on the consoles, that way they can release one big ass patch that works instead of two or three that end up breaking more stuff then they fix.

[Jorrkit]

I'm willing to be patient and wait as long as it takes, but I do wish they would give some indication of what the timetable is. A simple "it could be months, don't hold your breath" or "We can realistically expect to address issues A and B within a few weeks" would be nice. Maybe that's not feasible, I dunno. But it'd be great to have some idea. It's not like they're guarding sensitive government information or anything; why does this process have to be such a secret? The game is out now; we've already paid for it.

Modifié par Jorrkit, 27 mars 2011 - 08:33 .

[Rahelron]

Myusha wrote...

Patience is a virtue people.

Not when you payed for a broken thing.

If we were asking for a content patch, some DLC or stuff like that your statement would be true, but this is not the case. We are asking for a fix on bugs which don't allow to play the game properly.

[Paraxial]

If "Arrival" wasn't being released I would be more grouchy about this, but that'll probably hold me over for another week.

I am anxious for a patch though, want to blaze through a third playthrough without the bugs. Just have to wait and see.

[Ruben Thomas]

To those of you telling people to be patient and that QA takes alot of time.

Please consider that most major game companies release hotfixes, on the very first or second day after release for the most troubling or gamebreaking issues.

That's what annoys people the most I think, there are so many gamebreaking issues that are easily fixed, but they're not even bothering to release a quick hotfix for them.

[Kryz]

Cyakura wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

The bug only happens when switching specific companions when they have high friendship/rivalry, so it's entirely possible not to notice it. As for my "respect," I don't have any for some drooling moron who would pay Bioware for an enema.

WOOT .. now I am been called names for giving my 2 cents ) I likesit.. Bottom line.. I am enjoying my game, as for you Messer:) have a good life

I think it was more of an issue of you saying this;

Cyakura wrote...

Yes the game does have bugs, some I have asked about in some of my posts, but nothing that would stop the game from being playable and enjoyable

That kind of shallow selfish attitude would ****** anyone off, caused by simple ignorance or not. So you didn't have any bugs, kudos to you. But many people *ARE* having game-breaking bugs. The slow-down bug is particularly nasty and while there's a temp fix (either a player-made patch that gives rivalry bonuses [here] or simply save editing [here]) this is for PC users only.

I'm not saying all this impatience is helping anything, but your attitude of 'I'M not having any problems, so who cares?' doesn't help either. At least try to pretend to have some empathy for others. Without the condescending smilies, if you please. <_<

Modifié par Kryz, 27 mars 2011 - 09:05 .

[Rahelron]

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Please consider that most major game companies release hotfixes, on the very first or second day after release for the most troubling or gamebreaking issues.

I think this is because most major companies have a QA department that relies on internal employees and not on players to find the bugs. This means that even if some bugs stay into the final build of the game they are found before the release, during the time it takes to print, box and distribute the game. This allows lightspeed bug fixes after the actual release.

In this case it seems that Bioware was not aware of any of the bugs that players are finding right now. Because of this the fixes are delayed.

The delay can also be caused by poor bug-solving protocols.

[Inarai]

Rahelron wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Please consider that most major game companies release hotfixes, on the very first or second day after release for the most troubling or gamebreaking issues.

I think this is because most major companies have a QA department that relies on internal employees and not on players to find the bugs. This means that even if some bugs stay into the final build of the game they are found before the release, during the time it takes to print, box and distribute the game. This allows lightspeed bug fixes after the actual release.

In this case it seems that Bioware was not aware of any of the bugs that players are finding right now. Because of this the fixes are delayed.

The delay can also be caused by poor bug-solving protocols.

It's actually more likely that while QA found and documented bugs, there simply wasn't time to fix them prior to release - Bioware does have internal QA, something you might have thought to check on before writing that post.  The "delay", as you call it, can also be caused by bugs not being easy to fix.  Hotfixes are easy for missed commas, errors inparticular loops, etc. if these things are easy to find in the code.  If the source of error is difficult to track in the code, however, or the error itself is difficult to fix, it is going to take time to deliver a working and tested fix.

Basically, they were likely aware of the bugs, but were also faced with a release date that could not be moved, period.  The result, of course, is that they can't get extra time to fix stuff, so the threshold for "Oh, crap, we can't afford the time to fix that right now" gets to a bad place - once you know about a bug, you have to decide what to do about it, and you can't always say "fix it".

[AlexMBrennan]

That is an explanation and not an excuse. Knowing that the game contains these bugs because of the fixed release date (which someone picked, making someone responsible for this mess) doesn't make me any happier to have spent money on a product with serious flaws.

[Cody211282]

Rahelron wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Please consider that most major game companies release hotfixes, on the very first or second day after release for the most troubling or gamebreaking issues.

I think this is because most major companies have a QA department that relies on internal employees and not on players to find the bugs. This means that even if some bugs stay into the final build of the game they are found before the release, during the time it takes to print, box and distribute the game. This allows lightspeed bug fixes after the actual release.

In this case it seems that Bioware was not aware of any of the bugs that players are finding right now. Because of this the fixes are delayed.

The delay can also be caused by poor bug-solving protocols.

But what was the point in having all the sweat EA money if they can't even hire a damn testing team?

Modifié par Cody211282, 27 mars 2011 - 10:33 .

[Inarai]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

That is an explanation and not an excuse. Knowing that the game contains these bugs because of the fixed release date (which someone picked, making someone responsible for this mess) doesn't make me any happier to have spent money on a product with serious flaws.

The point of what I'm saying is to answer the argument that they didn't do QA or are really bad at it - QA testing, of course, being entirely sepeate from actually fixing the errors.  If you want something to make you happier, look to the fact that they're working on a major patch - which, of course, takes time.  I'd figure 3-5 weeks wouldn't be unreasonable if they're looking at the "fix a whole lot of stuff at once" method, which I suspect will produce a more thouroughly tested and stable patch.  Trying to push it out sooner than that could be a very bad thing.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Jorrkit wrote...

I just want Merrill to be fixed.

THIS! I haven't continued past the very start of ACT 3 because i want her storyline to play out correctly.

And the bloody slowdown bug.

[ostemanden]

QA not Q&A (Quality Assurance versus Questions & Answers) two totally different departments.
By the way, the game have already received 1 patch, I am sure more will follow!
Back in the days, you know the days before the Internet, I had to wait several months to get my patch, through computer magazines, which again I had to pay for!

Modifié par ostemanden, 27 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[ginzaen]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Jorrkit wrote...

I just want Merrill to be fixed.

THIS! I haven't continued past the very start of ACT 3 because i want her storyline to play out correctly.

And the bloody slowdown bug.

That would really annoy me luckily i've had no such bug hope they fix it soon- just wondered which format do you play ? i play on pc and only had 1 bug..

[Eva1346]

ginzaen wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Jorrkit wrote...

I just want Merrill to be fixed.

THIS! I haven't continued past the very start of ACT 3 because i want her storyline to play out correctly.

And the bloody slowdown bug.

That would really annoy me luckily i've had no such bug hope they fix it soon- just wondered which format do you play ? i play on pc and only had 1 bug..

Ohhhh now I got it, yeah happened to me to... the thing when she talks about her personal quest which hasn't even happened yet??? major spoiler if you are on your 1st playthrough...

[Rahelron]

ostemanden wrote...

QA not Q&A (Quality Assurance versus Questions & Answers) two totally different departments.
By the way, the game have already received 1 patch, I am sure more will follow!
Back in the days, you know the days before the Internet, I had to wait several months to get my patch, through computer magazines, which again I had to pay for!

Yeah, the other way was to ask the company for the patch. After you request they would send you a CD by mail.

I know that @ Bioware everyone is shurely working day and night to solve these problems, I'm not complaining for the work they are doing right now. I'm with them. I just think that the bugs had not to be in the game in the first place.

[Gibb_Shepard]

ginzaen wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Jorrkit wrote...

I just want Merrill to be fixed.

THIS! I haven't continued past the very start of ACT 3 because i want her storyline to play out correctly.

And the bloody slowdown bug.

That would really annoy me luckily i've had no such bug hope they fix it soon- just wondered which format do you play ? i play on pc and only had 1 bug..

360, so i don't have the luixury of brining up the console command and setting my speed back to normal and activating Merrill's quest.

I'm gradually losing interest in continuing this game the longer they are taking to patch it.

[v_ware]

Chris Priestly wrote...

The PC version has been patched twice already. We are still working on more patches for all platforms and, when we have more information about what will be fixed and when it will be available, we will let everyoen know.

The Texture pack isn't a "patch." It doesn't fix anything.

[didymos1120]

v_ware wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

The PC version has been patched twice already. We are still working on more patches for all platforms and, when we have more information about what will be fixed and when it will be available, we will let everyoen know.

The Texture pack isn't a "patch." It doesn't fix anything.

Again, there was a beta of 1.01, and then the actual release of 1.01.  Not that either of those fixed much either.

[Talladarr]

back pain wrote...

Patching software is hard work, fixing one thing may break five other things. I think Bioware is waiting until they can get auto attack to work on the consoles, that way they can release one big ass patch that works instead of two or three that end up breaking more stuff then they fix.

This may come as a shock, but I don't even WANT auto-attack. it was one thing I really hated about the PS3 version of DA:O. I can understand wanting it for the PC version, but I don't want Auto-attack to be honest.