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[bluewolv1970]

Whacka wrote...

I'm amused to see how everyone thinks patching is like magic:

You clap your hands and every major issue in the game is fixed. It's magical!

And I am amused with smug answers like this while I have paid 60.00 for a game I cannot finish properly...it's not as though I can half ass my payment for the game can I? Therefore I expect the game to at least work with reagrds to the storytellying...

[flexxdk]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

I'm amused to see how everyone thinks patching is like magic:

You clap your hands and every major issue in the game is fixed. It's magical!

And I am amused with smug answers like this while I have paid 60.00 for a game I cannot finish properly...it's not as though I can half ass my payment for the game can I? Therefore I expect the game to at least work with reagrds to the storytellying...

You knew the risks of what you signed up for. Yet you still bought it.

I suppose it's common knowledge that no game is completely flawless once it's released. You also could've waited a month or two before buying it.

[Bathead]

This is the truth. I've been playing computer and video games since Pong, and games being buggy on release is and has been extremely common, you can't catch evryhting in testing. Patches are almost a matter of course even for high profile games.. DA2 is no special case. The patches will come.
Make no mistake, I understand your frustration, I also wish they would hurry up and get this thing patched, but I also understand this isn't going to happen on any schedule I'll set. (especially with the slow certification preocess) I'd rather they take the time to do a thorough patch.

Modifié par Bathead, 24 mars 2011 - 10:46 .

[Laughing_Man]

Whacka wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

I'm amused to see how everyone thinks patching is like magic:

You clap your hands and every major issue in the game is fixed. It's magical!

And I am amused with smug answers like this while I have paid 60.00 for a game I cannot finish properly...it's not as though I can half ass my payment for the game can I? Therefore I expect the game to at least work with reagrds to the storytellying...

You knew the risks of what you signed up for. Yet you still bought it.

I suppose it's common knowledge that no game is completely flawless once it's released. You also could've waited a month or two before buying it.

I'm sorry, i didn't know the "risk", especialy not at this level of price.
In the past most of the games i bought worked more or less without problem,
and like it was said gazilion times, minor bugs are not the issue, and again - there's a difference between
the statement "no game is completely flawless", to the kind of bugs that it's hard to believe that nobody noticed before release.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 25 mars 2011 - 12:32 .

[Cody211282]

Bathead wrote...

This is the truth. I've been playing computer and video games since Pong, and games being buggy on release is and has been extremely common, you can't catch evryhting in testing. Patches are almost a matter of course even for high profile games.. DA2 is no special case. The patches will come.
Make no mistake, I understand your frustration, I also wish they would hurry up and get this thing patched, but I also understand this isn't going to happen on any schedule I'll set. (especially with the slow certification preocess) I'd rather they take the time to do a thorough patch.

true no game comes without problems, but come on they shouldn't come with this many problems, and this many game breaking problems as well.

Modifié par Cody211282, 25 mars 2011 - 12:39 .

[xYOSSARIANx]

kaiki01 wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

The real question is why so many bugs in the first place, the concept of testing exist for a reason, no?

If DA:O is any indication, the QA team for the Dragon Age projects are either under-funded/under-staffed or not that good at QA.

Having worked in QA, CQC and TRC's for a couple of big publishers/studio's I can assure you,

QA ALWAYS FINDS THE BUGS AND REPORTS THEM.

If the producer signs the game off as as finished and ready to go gold even though they still have a long bug list, it has nothing whatsoever to do the QA dept or the testers, and the sole responsibility for shipping a partially broken game lies with the producer.

Ask Mark Darrah why he shipped DA2 with all the bugs and broken features, it was his decision, it had nothing to do with the QA dept.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

addu2urmanapool wrote...

What is the rationale here? There are bugs that INTERFERE WITH THE STORY, and it has been well over 2 weeks now.

It means they would rather work on DLC than patch their game. Same reason why we have recycled areas.

[Cody211282]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

addu2urmanapool wrote...

What is the rationale here? There are bugs that INTERFERE WITH THE STORY, and it has been well over 2 weeks now.

It means they would rather work on DLC than patch their game. Same reason why we have recycled areas.

Considering they said they are already workingon DLC, yea sadly your probably right.

[shumworld]

RaenImrahl wrote...

eno detah wrote...

They've shared two things in a thread on the PS3 forum today

- The patch they are working on will contain MANY fixes (i.e., bigger than the first PC patch)
- The patch will not be released this week

It's not much, but it's more than we've been getting, so at least some progress (at least from a relative standpoint) on the communication front.

Excellent news.  Thanks for sharing!  It is tempting to assume that they're addressing not just glitches but also issues of balance and performance.  And of course, since a comprehenisive patch will have to include multiple platforms, a little more of a wait seems reasonable to me.

man if it has the ability to rebalance my experience that would be awesome.

[RaenImrahl]

shumworld wrote...

man if it has the ability to rebalance my experience that would be awesome.

I base this only on what was done with the first few patches for Origins... although it seems the major complaint at the time was that even the "easy" setting was tough.

[bluewolv1970]

did you know this game is SOOOOOO bugged on the storytelling side that there is a companion quest called "friendly concerns" that no one can get because it is so broken...

[OSUfan12121]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

OSUfan12121 wrote...

I havent encountered any bugs in 2 playthroughs. Guess im just lucky.

well then at the very least you did not do the Merril romance and quests and you did not do the who needs rescuing quest" and you haven't had both Sebastion and Isabella in your party...

The only thing i didnt do out of that list was have both isabella and sebastian in my party at the same time as i hate sebastian.

[Giubba]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Giubba1985 wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Indeed, most of the other complaints on DA:2 Are subject to personal taste andor debateble in one way or the other.

But as for the bugs, It's almost as if the game wasn't played by the testers before release.
(numerous follower-related-bugs, and others.)
Very strange and disapointing Indeed.

Edit: if i'm not wrong, most of those arn't platform specific.(Merril infamos bug, and so on.)

I work as an indurstrial automation programmer, and one of the first thing i've learned is that bug happens.
No matter how many test you do there is always something that slips between your test.

I'm not talking about those, i'm talking about the more obvious ones.
And a few of the bugs here would be the equivelant in your line of work of some heavy machinery
that starts to eat the workers because of a bug that gave it an increased appetite...

Considering that we don't know how the code works, no one knwos which one are the "obvious one".
You can have an obvious effect that is due to something that isn't even remotly linked to what that precise fuction should do.
The problem is that the more code pass between the point A, where the error is generated, and the point B , where the error is made manifest to the user, the difficulty to track and/or ricreate it increase proportionaly.

I can undestand that people are really pissed off but believe me when i tell you that is better waiting for a proper fix and not something relased only for popular demand

[Zkyire]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

to be honest, I think people are getting a little impatient and spoiled. they want things NOW! What? 17 days and still no patch?!

We're being "spoiled" because we want a product that we paid for to work?

[bluewolv1970]

OSUfan12121 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

OSUfan12121 wrote...

I havent encountered any bugs in 2 playthroughs. Guess im just lucky.

well then at the very least you did not do the Merril romance and quests and you did not do the who needs rescuing quest" and you haven't had both Sebastion and Isabella in your party...

The only thing i didnt do out of that list was have both isabella and sebastian in my party at the same time as i hate sebastian.

weel then you are lying because "who needs rescuing" is BUGGED for EVERYONE...and anyone who does the Merril romance gets her act 3 cutscenes out of order...I suppose you also got the "friendly Concerns" quest from Varric regarding Merrill right?

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 25 mars 2011 - 04:11 .

[bluewolv1970]

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 25 mars 2011 - 04:12 .

[Begarian]

It takes time to QA bugs. Not to mention this is a game out on three different platforms. Are they going to apply patches to the console versions? If so, verification from Sony and Microsoft take time. Two weeks without a large patch (since they already had a small one for PC) is not anything out of the ordinary.

[bluewolv1970]

Begarian wrote...

It takes time to QA bugs. Not to mention this is a game out on three different platforms. Are they going to apply patches to the console versions? If so, verification from Sony and Microsoft take time. Two weeks without a large patch (since they already had a small one for PC) is not anything out of the ordinary.

well isn't that special, I guess in the meantime I will just enjoy my 60.00 paperweight...

[Zkyire]

Begarian wrote...

It takes time to QA bugs. Not to mention this is a game out on three different platforms. Are they going to apply patches to the console versions? If so, verification from Sony and Microsoft take time. Two weeks without a large patch (since they already had a small one for PC) is not anything out of the ordinary.

Which all should have been done before they released it for us to buy.

[PlumPaul93]

Begarian wrote...

It takes time to QA bugs. Not to mention this is a game out on three different platforms. Are they going to apply patches to the console versions? If so, verification from Sony and Microsoft take time. Two weeks without a large patch (since they already had a small one for PC) is not anything out of the ordinary.

That's no excuse like others have said they'd rather work on DLC than patch the game, wouldn't surprise me if we don't see a patch until the next DLC comes out. To bad we aren't forgetting, also pretty ridiculous to say we are spoiled considering we already paid full price for a game with broken quests and game breaking bugs. Wouldn't have a problem if they gave us an update, silence says a lot.

[Matroska]

Whacka wrote...

You knew the risks of what you signed up for. Yet you still bought it.

I suppose it's common knowledge that no game is completely flawless once it's released. You also could've waited a month or two before buying it.

Wow, do you only play Bethesda games or something? Last gaming generation, console games didn't have patches and they never needed them, outside of maybe the odd incredibly cheap Z-List offering. Console games tended to have "exploits" not glitches, at worst. For example, in Halo there was a very tricky and precise way to navigate down the side of a cliff and thus avoid a loading zone so you could do the rest of the level without enemies. It was very hard to do and required clever manipulation of a 2nd character via the co-op mode. That's the sort of thing you normally get - something you have to massively go out of your way to get, knowing what you're in for.

PC gamers tend to accept that their games will be absolute trainwrecks with game-breaking bugs and hilarious glitches. Reading any list of fixes in a patch's readme is often hilarious for PC games. "The NPCs in this town will no longer attack you for no reason", "placing items in the chest will no longer delete them", "party members will no longer fall through the floor" and things like that. As more and more console games seem to be made by developers who are traditionally PC developers, we're getting all your crap too.

[Bsett100]

I don't think very many of us paid our money for this game expecting to be beta testers.

[retsmot]

can't agree with u more, mate. usd60 for beta testing experience. geez.

also, its understandable if a game comes out with minor glitches, or bugs, or exploits. those are common. but seriously, gamebreaking ones should be hotfixed as soon as possible.

unrelated but still, ps3's me2 was labeled the best experience of me2. yet it came plagued with a save game corruption glitch(gamebreaking), which took bioware more than a month to get patch through. SIGH.

[Phial]

I'm sure they're all busy working very hard....


on the first DLC content. Get your wallets ready!

[RaenImrahl]

Phial wrote...

I'm sure they're all busy working very hard....


on the first DLC content. Get your wallets ready!

Actually, if you look at the profiles for some of the devs who regualrly post on this site, it seems many have started an early weekend.  At least they're not actively posting online... although that could be for other reasons. Given the amount of work and the deadline of launch... I'd take a long weekend too.

  I suspect, given the updates in other threads on an ETA for the next patch, that the patch is probably in the hands of internal testers.  If it is as complex a patch as they've suggested (and I think many agree is needed... for story, balance, and performance issues)... then I also suspect it has to go through a lot of internal testing.

As to why the game had flaws in the first place... I am pretty sanguine about the whole matter.  From my perspective, DA2 was far less buggy than DAO when I first played it... and I didn't get DAO until after patch 1.03 came out!  So my wallet, at least, is satisfied for now.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 25 mars 2011 - 05:34 .