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[bluewolv1970]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

And really, the number of patches is irrelevant, since what matters is the number of serious bugs that remain.

What is really concerning is the number of people on this forum complaining are the people who are in the know. We represent the vast MINORITY of players for DA2. Think of all those people out there who have no idea what is happening with their game to make it so bad. They may never buy another DA product again.

what is also really concerning is that some of the bugs are so bad actual quests never even trigger for anyone (friendly concerns), so even people in the know do not realize there is a bug...It makes you wonder what else is so bugged we are not even are the quest exists...

[Rockpopple]

I've been to the Tech Support forums. Apparently the big patch is coming, and it'll solve a lot of issues. Obviously that's why it's been taking so long: they're trying to fix as much as they can in one go.

So you know, keep your pantaloons on.

[Arthur Cousland]

It took forever for Bioware to release patches for Origins.  Them being slow patching DA2 should be a surprise to no one.  Bioware are probably too busy working on DA3 to have time to work on DA2 patches.

[Phonantiphon]

What bugs?
I haven't really noticed any... 

[Alozaps]

Chris Priestly wrote...

The PC version has been patched twice already.

Are you kidding me?

This statement carries no weight whatsoever, because:
a) The high-res texture pack doesn't even qualify as a patch, and should have been shipped with the original release.  Surely as an employee of Bioware you acknowledge this?
Patch 1.01 was puny and didn't address any of the story/quest bugs that have made the game unplayable for many people for weeks now.  I'm not saying patch 1.01 wasn't needed, but none of those fixes applied to me personally.

I myself have not played DA2 for over a week now because I'm waiting for Bioware to fix the "A Bitter Pill" quest-breaking bug and the dark tome quest bug so I can finish all the quests in Act 2 and move on to Act 3.  A $60 supposed AAA title shouldn't have game-breaking bugs that customers have to wait weeks to be patched.  Sad.

Modifié par Alozaps, 25 mars 2011 - 11:31 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Alozaps wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

The PC version has been patched twice already.

Are you kidding me?

This statement carries no weight whatsoever, because:
a) The high-res texture pack doesn't even qualify as a patch, and should have been shipped with the original release.  Surely as an employee of Bioware you acknowledge this?
Patch 1.01 was puny and didn't address any of the story/quest bugs that have made the game unplayable for many people for weeks now.  I'm not saying patch 1.01 wasn't needed, but none of those fixes applied to me personally.

I myself have not played DA2 for over a week now because I'm waiting for Bioware to fix the "A Bitter Pill" quest-breaking bug and the dark tome quest bug so I can finish all the quests in Act 2 and move on to Act 3.  A $60 supposed AAA title shouldn't have game-breaking bugs that customers have to wait weeks to be patched.  Sad.

Just wait until you move to Act 3 and encounter Merrill's complete questline screw up bug. I've also had to stop playing just so i can finish the game without Merill's storyline going absolutely haywire.

I've never encountered a game with so many significant bugs. First i had to restart my playthrough due to the slowdown bug, and now i've had to stop due to the storyline screw-up bugs. I just want to finish the game once, Bioware, just once.

[agrocato]

All this rage seems over the top.

There are many reasons to feel disappointed about DA II. However, bugs are not it. Sure there are some, but I for one haven't encountered anything that was truely "gamebreaking" as many people have claimed here. Just to exclude misunderstandings: game-breaking means a bug that literally stops you from finishing the game. All I have encountered are some bugged side-quests and some strange stuff with Merril in Act 3.

Let's be realistic: there are comparatively few bugs in DA II. Also, it runs surprisingly stable (with DAO I still get the occasional ctd - I haven't had that with DA II, yet).
Those who still think that is bad, please name a RPG that was completely bug free at release!

In my opinion, Bioware did a good job as far as bug testing goes. They deserve a compliment not angry rants.

If you are angry about DA II (and believe me, I am rather disappointed myself) at least stay fair enough to critisize the things that are actually wrong with this game.

[bluewolv1970]

agrocato wrote...

All this rage seems over the top.

There are many reasons to feel disappointed about DA II. However, bugs are not it. Sure there are some, but I for one haven't encountered anything that was truely "gamebreaking" as many people have claimed here. Just to exclude misunderstandings: game-breaking means a bug that literally stops you from finishing the game. All I have encountered are some bugged side-quests and some strange stuff with Merril in Act 3.

Let's be realistic: there are comparatively few bugs in DA II. Also, it runs surprisingly stable (with DAO I still get the occasional ctd - I haven't had that with DA II, yet).
Those who still think that is bad, please name a RPG that was completely bug free at release!

In my opinion, Bioware did a good job as far as bug testing goes. They deserve a compliment not angry rants.

If you are angry about DA II (and believe me, I am rather disappointed myself) at least stay fair enough to critisize the things that are actually wrong with this game.

Saying there are relativleyfew bugs in DA II is 1) absurd 2) a lie ... but continue

[Xeyska]

Chris Priestly wrote...

The PC version has been patched twice already. We are still working on more patches for all platforms and, when we have more information about what will be fixed and when it will be available, we will let everyoen know.

Where's the second patch then? 

Its still 1.01.

[Taura-Tierno]

"Fixed save game issues on single core machines
Fixed game asking for non-existent drives
Fixed release control issues where some players were unable to unlock correctly
Fixed a Steam-specific issue related to VO not playing after switching languages"

I'd call those pretty hefty and game-breaking bugs for those who suffered them. But of course, every person wants the bug he/she is experiencing to be the one that gets fixed. If you don't suffer them, they're not important, is the mentality, I guess? Not that I wouldn't want the issues I've had fixed ... but I wouldn't go as far as to call my bugs the most important ones to fix.

And the thing with time is, that when you fix one bug, it always carries the risk of resulting in entirely new bugs. That's a serious issue for all kinds of software. Better that they take their time and do it properly than release quick fixes, which result in even more severe bugs. There is no point with patches that make something worse instead of better.

[Cybermortis]

Oh dear Lord. I am really glad I don't work for Bioware in any capacity.

It seems they can't make any statement without ending up being beaten to death with it, and can't remain cowering behind the couch without being shouted at.

Damned if they do, damned it they don't.

*Carefully pats Bioware moderators*

There there, it will be all right. You can come out now. No one will start shouting or hitting you.

At least not for a few minutes

[agrocato]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Saying there are relativleyfew bugs in DA II is 1) absurd 2) a lie ... but continue

How kind of you to call me a lier. It is especially convincing since you don't even bother to add arguments to your insult.

So here is a little comparision:

DAO - DA II, which is more bugged? - Shortly after release both were about the same (at least imo).

DAA - DA II, more bugs? - Clearly Awakening!

ME 2 - DA II? - Granted ME 2 had probably less bugs.

But DA II is still worlds away from games which earned a reputation for being badly bugged. Ever played Gothic 3 or Vampire Bloodlines?

[Mavkiel]

agrocato wrote...

How kind of you to call me a lier. It is especially convincing since you don't even bother to add arguments to your insult.

So here is a little comparision:

DAO - DA II, which is more bugged? - Shortly after release both were about the same (at least imo).

DAA - DA II, more bugs? - Clearly Awakening!

ME 2 - DA II? - Granted ME 2 had probably less bugs.

But DA II is still worlds away from games which earned a reputation for being badly bugged. Ever played Gothic 3 or Vampire Bloodlines?

Don't know about you, but I didnt notice game-breaking bugs in da-o. Some of it was probably either being lucky with dialog choices or simply not noticing. Or it might be because the game was large enough that it was patched before I actually got to that bugged content. In da2, the bugs are glaringly and painfully evident.

1)Dialog triggering out of order spoiling a quest. Considering the importance of the quest highly annoying.
2)Combat slowdown/resists being lowered because of 'friendship' bug. Please don't say, just avoid friendship, I'd rather not have bugs determine the storyline.
3) DLC content ruining character build -- makers sigh potion -- I hate finding out later my character was bugged.
4) Romance not being correctly recognized by the game. This actually impacts a quest, and the ending dialog.

[Taura-Tierno]

I've several friends who had serious trouble even getting DA:O started, due to trouble with the DAUpdater service. I've one friend whose game broke whenever he tried talking to Shale for an entire playthrough. If we're gonna talk DA:O. There were game-breaking bugs there as well. IMO, just as many people seem to complain about bugs here as they did with Origins. I don't have any statistics ... it's just how it seems to me.

[RaenImrahl]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

I've several friends who had serious trouble even getting DA:O started, due to trouble with the DAUpdater service. I've one friend whose game broke whenever he tried talking to Shale for an entire playthrough. If we're gonna talk DA:O. There were game-breaking bugs there as well. IMO, just as many people seem to complain about bugs here as they did with Origins. I don't have any statistics ... it's just how it seems to me.

Spot on.  Doubters should go peak at the DAO PC tech forum.  

http://social.biowar...tegory/58/index

[AL JA]

agrocato wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Saying there are relativleyfew bugs in DA II is 1) absurd 2) a lie ... but continue

How kind of you to call me a lier. It is especially convincing since you don't even bother to add arguments to your insult.

So here is a little comparision:

DAO - DA II, which is more bugged? - Shortly after release both were about the same (at least imo).

DAA - DA II, more bugs? - Clearly Awakening!

ME 2 - DA II? - Granted ME 2 had probably less bugs.

But DA II is still worlds away from games which earned a reputation for being badly bugged. Ever played Gothic 3 or Vampire Bloodlines?

Difference is Bioware is a hugely successful developer witj plenty of money and staff, bloodlines closed weeks after the game was released, and some of the devs worked unpaid for the last 4 months of the project. but I take your point.

[Sen4lifE]

Chris Priestly wrote...

The PC version has been patched twice already. We are still working on more patches for all platforms and, when we have more information about what will be fixed and when it will be available, we will let everyoen know.

Twice? Maybe a little unfair to just focus on one platform and let the others suffer for a month or so?

And I'm sorry BioWare, but I frown at this: many games are able to release patches for the gamebreaking bugs within a day or two if not at launch.  Did you take a really long coffee break?

I will say this is rather dissappointing, and someone better be getting a lecture in the QA department because a lot of these bugs are painfully obvious and it would have taken quite lazy testing to miss things that many players noticed within less of a minute of gameplay (i.e.: shield glitch).



And, the difference with the bugs are a lot of those bugs were minor, most of the DA2 bugs are gamebreaking and even prevent the player from finishing the game.  Things that should have been detected compared to minor bugs.  I'm not saying previous releases were flawless, but I do not believe BioWare deserves a break in this instance.  It was rather sloppy.  Games come with bugs, I understand that, but many should not have been.

Modifié par Sen4lifE, 26 mars 2011 - 12:38 .

[agrocato]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

I've several friends who had serious trouble even getting DA:O started, due to trouble with the DAUpdater service. I've one friend whose game broke whenever he tried talking to Shale for an entire playthrough. If we're gonna talk DA:O. There were game-breaking bugs there as well. IMO, just as many people seem to complain about bugs here as they did with Origins. I don't have any statistics ... it's just how it seems to me.

That is pretty much my perception, too. Thank you.

As concerns those of you who disagree with me: Do you really think you will get a patch sooner if you raise hell on these forums? As far as motivating the people at Bioware goes, asking nicely might help more. If you happen to believe in negative motivation however, then please rage away.

[Sen4lifE]

Rockpopple wrote...

I've been to the Tech Support forums. Apparently the big patch is coming, and it'll solve a lot of issues. Obviously that's why it's been taking so long: they're trying to fix as much as they can in one go.

So you know, keep your pantaloons on.

Rather than that they should be patching major issues ASAP, things that can prevent players from beating the game.  that'd be much better than making them wait so long to fix all the issues at once.

[agrocato]

AL JA wrote...

agrocato wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Saying there are relativleyfew bugs in DA II is 1) absurd 2) a lie ... but continue

How kind of you to call me a lier. It is especially convincing since you don't even bother to add arguments to your insult.

So here is a little comparision:

DAO - DA II, which is more bugged? - Shortly after release both were about the same (at least imo).

DAA - DA II, more bugs? - Clearly Awakening!

ME 2 - DA II? - Granted ME 2 had probably less bugs.

But DA II is still worlds away from games which earned a reputation for being badly bugged. Ever played Gothic 3 or Vampire Bloodlines?

Difference is Bioware is a hugely successful developer witj plenty of money and staff, bloodlines closed weeks after the game was released, and some of the devs worked unpaid for the last 4 months of the project. but I take your point.

Very true. Besides, the people at Troica managed to make a unique RPG that was worth every cent inspite of being bugged. It is certainly easier to overlook bugs if a game happens to be truely special.

[Maleficent]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

to be honest, I think people are getting a little impatient and spoiled. they want things NOW! What? 17 days and still no patch?!

In all honesty the game is not ''finished the day of release' its finished at least 4 weeks prior to mastering and manufacturing.Before release they realised the omission of the auto attack on consoles ,in effect Bioware have had more than 17 days to notice and work on these issues.Some are blatantly game breaking.We don't want new features ,new this or new that.We just want the things that should be correct at the time of release fixed.They have been quiet the last week and at leat pc got some kind of patch,consoles have no word at all.That is why it seems like impatience because it is,I hope that monday they will announce something but Im not holding breath.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

It took forever for Bioware to release patches for Origins.  Them being slow patching DA2 should be a surprise to no one.  Bioware are probably too busy working on DA3 to have time to work on DA2 patches.

So true. They're new goal is probably 8 months instead of 16 months for the next game. No time for patches. 

-Polite

[Maleficent]

ps all we want is someone from the team to come on here and say ''hey we are working on this and this and this, but this is causing issues for us so please bear with us''.Some communication.

[Cybermortis]

Maleficent wrote...

ps all we want is someone from the team to come on here and say ''hey we are working on this and this and this, but this is causing issues for us so please bear with us''.Some communication.

Read the last post from the moderator.

[Maleficent]

cheers for pointing that out to me I didnt read every post in the thread.I know they are working on it but makes you think this game should have been released 8 april.Don't get me wrong I love it to bits but some bugs are game breaking and its a shame:(((