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[bluewolv1970]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Or we would have a patch that just messed up the game entirely because it was pushed. Really, people complain about the game is bugged because it got pushed out too soon. What do you think would happen if they push out patches too soon?

you are right we should just be mindless sycophants and thank Bioware for the 60.00 coaster they gave us with the pretty artwork on it...

[Jman5]

Persephone wrote...

I haven't run into a single story breaking bug in 4 playthroughs.

Am I lucky or did I miss them all?

You must have just not noticed them. For example, did you ever get upgraded arcane shield? That's bugged and doesn't give you or your companions the full benefits. Or how about when Hawke leaves his house, any aura you have is listed as activated but in fact are not working for your companions. You have to turn it off and turn it back on.

Also, did you know that magic resistance can actually harm you?  If Anders casts something like Haste, the duration is reduced the more resistance you have.

There are quite a few abilities that are either flat out broken or just not working as described. Unfortuntely many of them aren't apparent unless you look closely.

Many players just don't realize how badly their characters are gimped because of these bugs.

[mfmaxpower]

Besides, it's hard to imagine playing 4 playthroughs without being screwed by the Isabella/Sebastian friendship bugs, unless of course you go out of your way to avoid the bug to begin with. I haven't heard of many real game-ruining bugs but that one definitely is.

[Persephone]

Jman5 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I haven't run into a single story breaking bug in 4 playthroughs.

Am I lucky or did I miss them all?

You must have just not noticed them. For example, did you ever get upgraded arcane shield? That's bugged and doesn't give you or your companions the full benefits. Or how about when Hawke leaves his house, any aura you have is listed as activated but in fact are not working for your companions. You have to turn it off and turn it back on.

Also, did you know that magic resistance can actually harm you?  If Anders casts something like Haste, the duration is reduced the more resistance you have.

There are quite a few abilities that are either flat out broken or just not working as described. Unfortuntely many of them aren't apparent unless you look closely.

Many players just don't realize how badly their characters are gimped because of these bugs.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation.

[Inarai]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Or we would have a patch that just messed up the game entirely because it was pushed. Really, people complain about the game is bugged because it got pushed out too soon. What do you think would happen if they push out patches too soon?

you are right we should just be mindless sycophants and thank Bioware for the 60.00 coaster they gave us with the pretty artwork on it...

Yes, because it can only be one or the other...</sarcasm>  What you are offering is a false dichotomy, a logical fallacy in which the presenter attempts to make it appear as though there are only two possible options, one of which they present in a decisively, and often unwarranted, negative light.  What you are suggesting is this:

Either we may be blindly loyal to Bioware and suck up to them through patience (that phrase alone sends my brain for a loop, really), or, we may make unreasonable demands that a patch be issued before there has been time to properly develop and test one.

The truth is this:  Doing something right takes time.  In a patch, you must identify the problems, then find their sources, then figure out how to fix that cause, then implement the solution, then test to make sure that this actually fixes the problem, then test for any new problems brought on by the patch, repeat for new issues or other issues still outstanding.  Doing all this right is going to take time - moreso for the consoles, where the patch has to be certified by Microsoft/Sony, which is simply one more time sink and a spot for a potential setback.  For the more serious/numerous issues, this will take even longer - which, incidentally, the argument that they should have a patch out sooner because the game is heavily bugged is really quite silly, because the actual point that follows (especially in light of the fact that the game was pushed out the door earlier than it should have been) is that they should take the time to ensure it is done right.  We do know from statements by Bioware employees that they are working on a major patch.

Or, in other words, there is a logical point to be made that speed is not what we want, here, in the context that it will not deliver what we want.

For the people who've mentioned something about "They're too busy working on DLC", please, just stop - it's quite a stupid thing to suggest.  Maintenance and content generation are really very different roles, and doing one is usually not going to detract from the other in any meaningful way.

[LukaCrosszeria]

mfmaxpower wrote...

Besides, it's hard to imagine playing 4 playthroughs without being screwed by the Isabella/Sebastian friendship bugs, unless of course you go out of your way to avoid the bug to begin with. I haven't heard of many real game-ruining bugs but that one definitely is.

I have come across the Arcane Shield bug, and some others, but not this one. What's the Isa/Sebby bug?

[Coik]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Coik wrote...

I have a feeling that, if a patch had been released in the first 17 days, people would then be complaining that there was a patch released in the first 17 days.

or we would be finishing the game we paid 60.00 for and cannot finish current;y...one of those two probably

Possibly.  This being the Internet, however, I'm going with the possibility that allows people maximum opportunity for complaining.

[Taura-Tierno]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Or we would have a patch that just messed up the game entirely because it was pushed. Really, people complain about the game is bugged because it got pushed out too soon. What do you think would happen if they push out patches too soon?

you are right we should just be mindless sycophants and thank Bioware for the 60.00 coaster they gave us with the pretty artwork on it...

*shrugs*

That's the reality of purchasing a game. It's not pretty, it's not ideal, but that's how it is. There's always a slight risk you're gonna encounter something game-breaking. No matter what game you buy. 

And for that matter, when have I ever said you should thank them for the bugs? Reporting the bugs and informing Bioware of them is not being a mindless sycophant thanking them. 

I just thought it seemed a bit odd that people complain that the game was rushed out too soon, yet at the same time complain about the patches not being rushed out in the same manner they wished the game had not been. 

[PlumPaul93]

Coik wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Coik wrote...

I have a feeling that, if a patch had been released in the first 17 days, people would then be complaining that there was a patch released in the first 17 days.

or we would be finishing the game we paid 60.00 for and cannot finish current;y...one of those two probably

Possibly.  This being the Internet, however, I'm going with the possibility that allows people maximum opportunity for complaining.

Thats the fanboy in you speaking, good to see it's not allowed to wonder when fixes for a game with multiple problems are coming thanks for your input!

[nubbers666]

seeing how long it took to do lots of patches on dao i would say dont hold your breath waiting id say within 30days or more we will see another patch

[Coik]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Thats the fanboy in you speaking, good to see it's not allowed to wonder when fixes for a game with multiple problems are coming thanks for your input!

No, I'm merely observing that, if you gave everyone on the Internet $100, at least half of them would complain that you didn't give them $105. 

[PlumPaul93]

katie916 wrote...

seeing how long it took to do lots of patches on dao i would say dont hold your breath waiting id say within 30days or more we will see another patch

Sadly console users haven't seen 1 patch, already figured it's going to be as long as possible.

[PlumPaul93]

Coik wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Thats the fanboy in you speaking, good to see it's not allowed to wonder when fixes for a game with multiple problems are coming thanks for your input!

No, I'm merely observing that, if you gave everyone on the Internet $100, at least half of them would complain that you didn't give them $105. 

Nice comparison because spending $60 on a product with multiple problems is the same as being given $100

[Coik]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Nice comparison...

I'm stopping you right there because I made no comparison between anything.  I presented a theoretical situation and the most likely result.

[PlumPaul93]

Coik wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Nice comparison...

I'm stopping you right there because I made no comparison between anything.  I presented a theoretical situation and the most likely result.

Then really what does that have to do with this thread if your not comparing. Thats what I thought.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 26 mars 2011 - 08:56 .

[xCirdanx]

*thinks about DA:O and especialy Awakening* i wouldn´t hold my breath for a patch that fixes the major problems anytime soon. (or at all)

[PlumPaul93]

xCirdanx wrote...

*thinks about DA:O and especialy Awakening* i wouldn´t hold my breath for a patch that fixes the major problems anytime soon. (or at all)

my line of thinking aswell

[Yrkoon]

AlexMBrennan wrote...
 Think about how you'd feel if your car came with similar faults and the seller told you that he might get it fixed eventually if you're really, really lucky

Actually,  that happens.  on a MUCH larger scale.     Just ask Toyota.

[Yrkoon]

Jman5 wrote...
There are quite a few abilities that are either flat out broken or just not working as described. Unfortuntely many of them aren't apparent unless you look closely.

This is true. 


But that just makes me wonder what all the  "GAME BREAKING!!!"  Hyperbole   being spouted here is really all about.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 26 mars 2011 - 09:38 .

[bluewolv1970]

Yrkoon wrote...

Jman5 wrote...
There are quite a few abilities that are either flat out broken or just not working as described. Unfortuntely many of them aren't apparent unless you look closely.

This is true. 


But that just makes me wonder what all the  "GAME BREAKING!!!"  Hyperbole   being spouted here is really all about.

oh you mean like when you have both Isabella and Sebastion in your party and Hawke develops a disease were in he gets progessivley slower and slower until the f$%^ing game is no longer playable - that type of game breaking?

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 26 mars 2011 - 09:46 .

[PlumPaul93]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Jman5 wrote...
There are quite a few abilities that are either flat out broken or just not working as described. Unfortuntely many of them aren't apparent unless you look closely.

This is true. 


But that just makes me wonder what all the  "GAME BREAKING!!!"  Hyperbole   being spouted here is really all about.

oh you mean like when you have both Isabella and Sebastion in your party and Hawke develops a disease were in he gets progessivley slower and slower until the f$%^ing game is no longer playable - that type of game breaking?

Bioware Devs:We have dismissed that claim

[bluewolv1970]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Jman5 wrote...
There are quite a few abilities that are either flat out broken or just not working as described. Unfortuntely many of them aren't apparent unless you look closely.

This is true. 


But that just makes me wonder what all the  "GAME BREAKING!!!"  Hyperbole   being spouted here is really all about.

oh you mean like when you have both Isabella and Sebastion in your party and Hawke develops a disease were in he gets progessivley slower and slower until the f$%^ing game is no longer playable - that type of game breaking?

Bioware Devs:We have dismissed that claim

exactly - finger quotes and all

[JasonDaPsycho]

You thought this is bad? Look at Splinter Cell Conviction and Need for Speed Undercover. The former has released 4 patches and you still can't play the game online. The latter didn't release the patch until 6 months in. And just FYI, the patch didn't fix anything.

Not saying that Bioware and EA shouldn't fix the problems ASAP. Just sayin that it could have been much worse.

[PlumPaul93]

JasonDaPsycho wrote...

You thought this is bad? Look at Splinter Cell Conviction and Need for Speed Undercover. The former has released 4 patches and you still can't play the game online. The latter didn't release the patch until 6 months in. And just FYI, the patch didn't fix anything.

Not saying that Bioware and EA shouldn't fix the problems ASAP. Just sayin that it could have been much worse.

well thats good instead of expecting quality we should just be happy its not worse

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Ah yes...Patches.