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[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

Galad22 wrote...
Why do you have to approve, what other people do?

It is quite enough that you tolerate their existence.

I don't know why, but some people seem to insist others approve of them. Now the funny thing is I do tolerate their existence. This may be tough for you to comprehend but I do indeed know gay individuals and get along with them. Yet much as you don't talk about politics in the work-place you don't start talking about morality.

So again, why do you want an option to erase bisexuality from existence in your game?
Why is it not enough to rebuff Anders (and ONLY Anders because FENRIS will never say a thing if YOU don't) and leave it at that?

[Inquisitor Recon]

demodar wrote...

Somehow i got a bigger picture . Why are you seeking attention from gay and bi people in this forum?
Why did you make a petition?

I made a petition? Cool. Could I get a link to what your talking about because I didn't do such a thing conciously.

[Galad22]

ReconTeam wrote...

I don't know why, but some people seem to insist others approve of them. Now the funny thing is I do tolerate their existence. This may be tough for you to comprehend but I do indeed know gay individuals and get along with them. Yet much as you don't talk about politics in the work-place you don't start talking about morality.

Well why can't you tolerate Anders in the game then. He just flirts with you once. A mistake clearly.

But thats it.

How is this any different?

[Zmajc]

DA2 felt like ****** dating simulator to me, end of the story. I was really really annoyed by all the ****** content.

[Bathead]

ReconTeam wrote...

Bathead wrote...
As a straight white male, the only reason I have no problem with it is because I am confident in my own sexuality and feel this is totally a NON-ISSUE.

Ooh, I love that one. One of my favorite underhanded argument. "If your not with us your secretly gay yourself."

That is not even remotely close to what I said.

[Deadmac]

Dragon Age 2 Lead Writer Blasts Homophobic Fan

The romances in Dragon Age 2 are for everyone, says the games lead writer, not just for the straight, male gamer. A disgruntled BioWare fan, who accused the studio of neglecting the "straight, male gamer" with the romance options in Dragon Age 2, has received a dressing down from the game's lead writer, David Gaider, who says that while straight, male gamers might be the majority, raw numbers don't give them any right to expect special treatment. The poster was upset that male characters were hitting on him, and suggested that BioWare could easily have included a "No Homosexuality" option.

So, asking for a 'no homosexuality' button makes you homophobic?

Couldn't the fan just be annoyed?

Modifié par Deadmac, 24 mars 2011 - 10:12 .

[Pacifien]

Zmajc wrote...

DA2 felt like ****** dating simulator to me, end of the story. I was really really annoyed by all the ****** content.

For gods' sake, man, stop clicking the heart icons.

[The Angry One]

Bathead wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Bathead wrote...
As a straight white male, the only reason I have no problem with it is because I am confident in my own sexuality and feel this is totally a NON-ISSUE.

Ooh, I love that one. One of my favorite underhanded argument. "If your not with us your secretly gay yourself."

That is not even remotely close to what I said.

He's projecting based on your statement about your sexuality.
Rather telling really.

Deadmac wrote...

So, asking for an 'no homosexuality' button makes you homophobic?

It makes your reasoning questionable. Because you are not forced at any point to ever engage in a homosexual relationship.
Therefore the only reason to want such a button is to completely ignore that this facet of life exists.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 mars 2011 - 10:12 .

[v_ware]

Deadmac wrote...

Dragon Age 2 Lead Writer Blasts Homophobic Fan
The romances in Dragon Age 2 are for everyone, says the games lead writer, not just for the straight, male gamer.
A disgruntled BioWare fan, who accused the studio of neglecting the "straight, male gamer" with the romance options in Dragon Age 2,
has received a dressing down from the game's lead writer, David Gaider,
who says that while straight, male gamers might be the majority, raw
numbers don't give them any right to expect special treatment.
The poster was upset that male characters were hitting on him, and
suggested that BioWare could easily have included a "No Homosexuality"
option.

So, asking for an 'no homosexuality' button makes you homophobic?

And I guess asking for a 'no black' button doensn't make you racist.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
So again, why do you want an option to erase bisexuality from existence in your game?
Why is it not enough to rebuff Anders (and ONLY Anders because FENRIS will never say a thing if YOU don't) and leave it at that?

Now first of all, I wasn't the one who originally proposed such an option. But why the option of such a choice at the start of a game? Why not? It would be ever slightly more enjoyable not being hit on by men and not everybody presuming Hawke (or the Warden for that matter in DA1) swings both ways.

[v_ware]

Pacifien wrote...

Zmajc wrote...

DA2 felt like ****** dating simulator to me, end of the story. I was really really annoyed by all the ****** content.

For gods' sake, man, stop clicking the heart icons.

But there so pretty! And with the abundance of 2 romancable male characters.

WOW!

[tanerb123]

the only reason i am not happy with gay romance is that space could be used for extra straight romance. because i am not happy with isabella and merril

[John Epler]

A reminder, once again, that if you are unable to discuss this civilly, you will be asked to remove yourself from the thread.

This applies to both sides, of course. If you feel someone is being offensive, let a moderator know. Vigilante forum justice is not the way to handle things.

[demodar]

I'm sorry its at the late hours here so my mind is skipping ... kind of.My point was why did you NOT make a petition?

[Deadmac]

I have a better idea. It is something in which will fix this whole issue.

If you don't like the content of a game, just do not buy the game in the first place.

Modifié par Deadmac, 24 mars 2011 - 10:14 .

[Sharn01]

Deadmac wrote...

Dragon Age 2 Lead Writer Blasts Homophobic Fan
The romances in Dragon Age 2 are for everyone, says the games lead writer, not just for the straight, male gamer.
A disgruntled BioWare fan, who accused the studio of neglecting the "straight, male gamer" with the romance options in Dragon Age 2,
has received a dressing down from the game's lead writer, David Gaider,
who says that while straight, male gamers might be the majority, raw
numbers don't give them any right to expect special treatment.
The poster was upset that male characters were hitting on him, and
suggested that BioWare could easily have included a "No Homosexuality"
option.

So, asking for an 'no homosexuality' button makes you homophobic?

Yes, in my opinion it actually does.  When yo ask for this toggle you are saying that homosexuality is so bad that you want to erase it completely from the game, that the game makers agree with you that homosexuality is a terrible thing and give you the option to erase it from the game.  You are saying that rewriting chracters that are bisexual or gay and have those as character traits is less important then you being offended for 5 seconds during the course of a 30 hour game.

The idea is just as rediculous as having a toggle to turn everyone in the game gay with no interest in members of their own sex.

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

Now first of all, I wasn't the one who originally proposed such an option. But why the option of such a choice at the start of a game? Why not? It would be ever slightly more enjoyable not being hit on by men and not everybody presuming Hawke (or the Warden for that matter in DA1) swings both ways.

You see.. there's the problem.
You are not "hit on by men". You are propositioned by one man. You reject him. That's it. No other man will hit on you. Fenris will not do so unless you initiate it.
People like you make it sound like male characters are being constantly accosted by other men in dark allies for mandatory sex!

[LiquidGrape]

ReconTeam wrote...

But why the option of such a choice at the start of a game? Why not? It would be ever slightly more enjoyable not being hit on by men and not everybody presuming Hawke (or the Warden for that matter in DA1) swings both ways.

So your solution to the very realistic scenario of people presuming on ones traits, qualities et al. is the thoroughly unrealistic approach of allowing the player to decide on how characters should and shouldn't behave?
Yeah, that won't hurt characterisation at all.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 24 mars 2011 - 10:15 .

[Slugwood]

Dr. Stephen J. Krune III wrote...
I for one am not pleased to hear this. Are you saying that if writers decide not to include homosexual characters and romances, that such an expression of bigotry is okay??? I hope that Bioware is more sophisticated than that and would fire any writers who exhibit homophobia or stealth homophobia (the latter being homophobia for which there is no proof but you know it's there).

Okay, look.  The bolded part really strikes me as irrational and counterproductive.  Firing homophobic writers, I agree with.  But no witch hunting.

Further: as much as I appreciate having my gay options, Bioware are as creators entitled to write a story in whichever way they please.  I strongly believe that Thedas must first be taken into account on its own merits—and only then with real world issues in mind.  Bioware may choose to use their video games as a platform to take a social stand, but they are not obligated to.

And since they are not obligated, we should be thankful for their freely-selected efforts to offer equal options.

Modifié par Slugwood, 24 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

demodar wrote...
I'm sorry its at the late hours here so my mind is skipping ... kind of.My point was why did you NOT make a petition?

Oh, well in that case because I don't feel about it that strongly. It is a minor annoyance but once I will argue against to the death.

[Artoz96]

What do you mean "And dont have problems with gay, until they try to flirt to me"? Are you wearing a "I'm straight" badge? How would a gay know that you're straight otherwise? And what would you do if it happened?
How is it not being intolerant to want them to "go away"? I mean,  how saying: "It's not that I don't like you, I just don't want to you anywhere near me." to people that are not a threat, or even a nuisance, in any way, shape or form not intolerant?[/quote]

Nope, it up to you to guess

When women dont like a man it ok, if man dont like man it's intolerance? I dont get it.

I dont want gay people to flirt with me because I DONT WANT and if it is intolerance that ok, I am not tolerate person.

For me tolerance it is when you let people live their own life. So I dont insult gay or hit them. And yep when I can I try to avoid gays. Is it so insulting? What, I must say I LOVE ALL GAYS IN HE WORLD or what I need to do to be tolerate.

I really think that all this stuff with tolerance in bul.....  The only rule is not to harm others.
And I dont see any harm if I dont want to deal with gays :innocent:

[asindre]

tanerb123 wrote...

the only reason i am not happy with gay romance is that space could be used for extra straight romance. because i am not happy with isabella and merril

I don't think it takes a lot of space to make dialog available for both genders...

[Deadmac]

Sharn01 wrote...
Yes, in my opinion it actually does.  When your ask for this toggle you are saying that homosexuality is so bad that you want to erase it completely from the game, that the game makers agree with you that homosexuality is a terrible thing and give you the option to erase it from the game.  You are saying that rewriting chracters that are bisexual or gay and have those as character traits is less important then you being offended for 5 seconds during the course of a 30 hour game.

What about people who think 'the act' is completely immoral? What do you think they should do?

Modifié par Deadmac, 24 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[AkiKishi]

Dr. Stephen J. Krune III wrote...
If you ask me he shouldn't have the option to exclude gay characters from his association. That is bigotry right there, the desire to wish homosexuals didn't exist is at the very crux of homophobia. How can you accept that he has a right for no gay people to be near him?

You want a game where everyone is gay. You don't get to push your agenda on to him anymore than he gets to push his onto you.

[Dr. Stephen J. Krune III]

Deadmac wrote...

I have a better idea. It is something in which will fix this whole issue.

If you don't like the content of a game, just do not buy the game in the first place.

Personally I do NOT think it is acceptable for homophobes to get to pretend that gay people don't exist and/or find them attractive. So even this option is one I am not comfortable with.