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[blacqout]

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

Modifié par blacqout, 29 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[Jademoon121]

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

It's as good a guess as any other. It's his charactarization I suppose.

[Russalka]

One could see a statement in how trees are positioned in the game. Leliana was bisexual, and quite pious.

[blacqout]

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

It's as good a guess as any other. It's his charactarization I suppose.

Of course. His characterisation as a man of extreme faith. We can gauge from the fact that he is only interested in a "chaste" relationship that his religion dictates his personal life to some extent, so i'm just wondering if homosexuality really is as accepted in the game world as it first seems.

Modifié par blacqout, 29 mars 2011 - 11:42 .

[Captain Jazz]

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

He's also chaste. Maybe monosexuals aren't allowed sex in Ferelden?

[sheppard7]

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

I think the statement is they actually put in the work to put in the code that restricts him instead of being lazy like normal. They could have also made some more straight like him, some bi, and some gay/lesbian and give us more characters to be part of the team. But that's more work and let's not expect Bioware to put in work with the rehashing of maps we got.

[blacqout]

Russalka wrote...

One could see a statement in how trees are positioned in the game. Leliana was bisexual, and quite pious.

Given the story of how she came to join the chantry, and the fact that such an issue was made with how her personal feelings were often thought to be at odds with the Maker's wishes (by her fellow sisters, no less), i don't think she's the best example for your case.

[Jademoon121]

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

It's as good a guess as any other. It's his charactarization I suppose.

Of course. His characterisation as a man of extreme faith. We can gauge from the fact that he is only interested in a "chaste" relationship that his religion dictates his personal life to some extent, so i'm just wondering if homosexuality really is accepted in the game world as it first seems.

Leliana worked in the Chantry of Lothering for awhile, and is very devout to the Maker, yet she's bisexual. I honestly think that Sebastian being straight is really just his personal preferance.

[Captain Jazz]

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

It's as good a guess as any other. It's his charactarization I suppose.

Of course. His characterisation as a man of extreme faith. We can gauge from the fact that he is only interested in a "chaste" relationship that his religion dictates his personal life to some extent, so i'm just wondering if homosexuality really is accepted in the game world as it first seems.

Is his chastity tied to his faith in the game? I haven't playeyd that route because he really doesn't interest me, although his armour is cool, but it seems that his chastity only shows what you claim if it actually is related to his faith. Maybe he's chaste because he's afraid of diseases? Maybe he's a virgin and, unlike Alistair, is not ready to change that yet? Maybe he's just too upset about his family to consider happy nekkid funtimes?

[blacqout]

Captain Jazz wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

It's as good a guess as any other. It's his charactarization I suppose.

Of course. His characterisation as a man of extreme faith. We can gauge from the fact that he is only interested in a "chaste" relationship that his religion dictates his personal life to some extent, so i'm just wondering if homosexuality really is accepted in the game world as it first seems.

Is his chastity tied to his faith in the game? I haven't playeyd that route because he really doesn't interest me, although his armour is cool, but it seems that his chastity only shows what you claim if it actually is related to his faith. Maybe he's chaste because he's afraid of diseases? Maybe he's a virgin and, unlike Alistair, is not ready to change that yet? Maybe he's just too upset about his family to consider happy nekkid funtimes?

He is certainly not a virgin. He makes a lot of comments alluding to his "wild youth", and at one point claims he was much like Isabela.

[Baaleos]

Captain Jazz wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

It's as good a guess as any other. It's his charactarization I suppose.

Of course. His characterisation as a man of extreme faith. We can gauge from the fact that he is only interested in a "chaste" relationship that his religion dictates his personal life to some extent, so i'm just wondering if homosexuality really is accepted in the game world as it first seems.

Is his chastity tied to his faith in the game? I haven't playeyd that route because he really doesn't interest me, although his armour is cool, but it seems that his chastity only shows what you claim if it actually is related to his faith. Maybe he's chaste because he's afraid of diseases? Maybe he's a virgin and, unlike Alistair, is not ready to change that yet? Maybe he's just too upset about his family to consider happy nekkid funtimes?

Im Northern Irish, and I like his accent, even though its more Scottish than Irish... but I digress..
I wish there was a quest, where you could make a deal with a Desire Demon, to turn Sebastian into your little play-thing....
Imagine the fun we could have.

[Captain Jazz]

blacqout wrote...

Russalka wrote...

One could see a statement in how trees are positioned in the game. Leliana was bisexual, and quite pious.

Given the story of how she came to join the chantry, and the fact that such an issue was made with how her personal feelings were often thought to be at odds with the Maker's wishes (by her fellow sisters, no less), i don't think she's the best example for your case.

It's Leliana's religious feelings - that the Maker is guiding her and pays attention to Ferelden - that puts her at odds with the sisters, surely?

[Captain Jazz]

Baaleos wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Is his chastity tied to his faith in the game? I haven't playeyd that route because he really doesn't interest me, although his armour is cool, but it seems that his chastity only shows what you claim if it actually is related to his faith. Maybe he's chaste because he's afraid of diseases? Maybe he's a virgin and, unlike Alistair, is not ready to change that yet? Maybe he's just too upset about his family to consider happy nekkid funtimes?

Im Northern Irish, and I like his accent, even though its more Scottish than Irish... but I digress..
I wish there was a quest, where you could make a deal with a Desire Demon, to turn Sebastian into your little play-thing....
Imagine the fun we could have.

I agree, his accent is awesome... but the character himself does nothing for me. He's a fine guy, but I'm just not interested in seeing a romance between him and my Hawke is all...

Modifié par Captain Jazz, 29 mars 2011 - 11:48 .

[blacqout]

Captain Jazz wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Russalka wrote...

One could see a statement in how trees are positioned in the game. Leliana was bisexual, and quite pious.

Given the story of how she came to join the chantry, and the fact that such an issue was made with how her personal feelings were often thought to be at odds with the Maker's wishes (by her fellow sisters, no less), i don't think she's the best example for your case.

It's Leliana's religious feelings - that the Maker is guiding her and pays attention to Ferelden - that puts her at odds with the sisters, surely?

Primarily, sure... but she makes a few comments hinting at more personal disputes with her colleagues, at one point i actually think that she calls them "so pious".

Plus, we learned how she came to be a sister through Leliana's Song. I don't doubt that she believes in the Maker, but she certainly isn't as devout as Sebastian, and seemed to be using the Chantry more than anything.

[Captain Jazz]

blacqout wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Russalka wrote...

One could see a statement in how trees are positioned in the game. Leliana was bisexual, and quite pious.

Given the story of how she came to join the chantry, and the fact that such an issue was made with how her personal feelings were often thought to be at odds with the Maker's wishes (by her fellow sisters, no less), i don't think she's the best example for your case.

It's Leliana's religious feelings - that the Maker is guiding her and pays attention to Ferelden - that puts her at odds with the sisters, surely?

Primarily, sure... but she makes a few comments hinting at more personal disputes with her colleagues, at one point i actually think that she calls them "so pious".

Plus, we learned how she came to be a sister through Leliana's Song. I don't doubt that she believes in the Maker, but she certainly isn't as devout as Sebastian, and seemed to be using the Chantry more than anything.

Does pious mean strict about sexuality, or does it mean strictly adhering to religious rules in general?
Whether or not Leliana is as devout as Sebastian does not necessarily suggest a causal link to their views on sexuality.
I don't really see anything in there beyond assumptions.

[blacqout]

Captain Jazz wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Russalka wrote...

One could see a statement in how trees are positioned in the game. Leliana was bisexual, and quite pious.

Given the story of how she came to join the chantry, and the fact that such an issue was made with how her personal feelings were often thought to be at odds with the Maker's wishes (by her fellow sisters, no less), i don't think she's the best example for your case.

It's Leliana's religious feelings - that the Maker is guiding her and pays attention to Ferelden - that puts her at odds with the sisters, surely?

Primarily, sure... but she makes a few comments hinting at more personal disputes with her colleagues, at one point i actually think that she calls them "so pious".

Plus, we learned how she came to be a sister through Leliana's Song. I don't doubt that she believes in the Maker, but she certainly isn't as devout as Sebastian, and seemed to be using the Chantry more than anything.

Does pious mean strict about sexuality, or does it mean strictly adhering to religious rules in general?
Whether or not Leliana is as devout as Sebastian does not necessarily suggest a causal link to their views on sexuality.
I don't really see anything in there beyond assumptions.

The dictionary definition of pious is

Having or exhibiting religious reverence; earnestly compliant in the observance of religion; devout.

English is not my first language, so please point out if i'm being too assuming, but "the observance of religion" typically refers to following set rules, and not interpreting written passages in the "correct" way. I'm not saying that this specifically means that her sexuality was an issue, just that her issues with her sisters extended beyond her liberal interpretation of scripture.

In any case, either Sebastian's sexuality is a result of his religion, or BioWare have stooped to a pretty offensive steriotype. As a man of faith myself, i'd prefer it to be the former.

Modifié par blacqout, 30 mars 2011 - 12:30 .

[seebs]

blacqout wrote...

English is not my first language, so please point out if i'm being too assuming, but "the observance of religion" typically refers to following set rules, and not interpreting written passages in the "correct" way.

While that's often true, there's also a definite connotation of adhering to a particular sense of what those rules are.  Piety is often assumed to imply following the mainstream interpretation of the rules, not just following some unknown set of rules.

It's really hard to say without asking the writers whether this is intended as commentary on the character's religion, or whether it just happened that way.  For all we know the underlying motivation is limited time available to work on his dialogue...

[Seifz]

blacqout wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Why is it that Sebastian is the only straight LI? Obviously he is extremely religious, so is this supposed to be a reflection of his faith and ties to the Chantry?

Or maybe that's his character? He's also DLC.

What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

Less development time?  Doesn't a different team handle DLC?

[Tirigon]

blacqout wrote...


What does his DLC status have to do with anything? He is the only love interest that restricts himself to one gender, so it seems as though BioWare are making some kind of a statement with it.

He is also the only one who is a religious nutcase and has vowed chastity....

What does that tell us?:innocent:

[Captain Jazz]

blacqout wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Does pious mean strict about sexuality, or does it mean strictly adhering to religious rules in general?
Whether or not Leliana is as devout as Sebastian does not necessarily suggest a causal link to their views on sexuality.
I don't really see anything in there beyond assumptions.

The dictionary definition of pious is

Having or exhibiting religious reverence; earnestly compliant in the observance of religion; devout.

English is not my first language, so please point out if i'm being too assuming, but "the observance of religion" typically refers to following set rules, and not interpreting written passages in the "correct" way. I'm not saying that this specifically means that her sexuality was an issue, just that her issues with her sisters extended beyond her liberal interpretation of scripture.

In any case, either Sebastian's sexuality is a result of his religion, or BioWare have stooped to a pretty offensive steriotype. As a man of faith myself, i'd prefer it to be the former.

Pious in a derogatory sense can also refer to people being convinced that their interpretation is absolutely correct and anyone who disagrees is absolutely wrong.
Sorry if that's a little awkwardly written... I had a very simple phrase in mind, but it slipped out and I can't find it now. "Holier-than-thou" is a similar sentiment...

I not really sure what you mean by "stooped to a pretty offensive stereotype," could you explain that please? I might just be oblivious, but I've missed what you're referring to.

Modifié par Captain Jazz, 30 mars 2011 - 01:06 .

[blacqout]

Certainly. The only sexual stick in the mud is a devout follower of a religion that has many parallels to various denominations of real-world Christianity.

Unless this is intended as some kind of commentary on the Chantry's attitude towards sex and relationships, then it's just enforcing a real-world stereotype of people like myself.

[Seifz]

blacqout wrote...

Certainly. The only sexual stick in the mud is a devout follower of a religion that has many parallels to various denominations of real-world Christianity.

Unless this is intended as some kind of commentary on the Chantry's attitude towards sex and relationships, then it's just enforcing a real-world stereotype of people like myself.

But other devout followers ot the Maker and its Chantry weren't chaste or even heterosexual.  So, I wouldn't worry about it.

That said, there are obvious parallels between the Chantry and the Catholic Church, even if the writers don't want to admit it.  

[MaximusPhoenix]

blacqout wrote...

Certainly. The only sexual stick in the mud is a devout follower of a religion that has many parallels to various denominations of real-world Christianity.

Unless this is intended as some kind of commentary on the Chantry's attitude towards sex and relationships, then it's just enforcing a real-world stereotype of people like myself.

Like the Westboro Baptist Church people? I can't stand them.....

[MaximusPhoenix]

Seifz wrote...


That said, there are obvious parallels between the Chantry and the Catholic Church, even if the writers don't want to admit it.  

^
This. But I like it.

[Guesswhotoo]

This is what I have to say regarding the romance fiasco in Dragon Age 2:

You know whats real funny about all this? If Bioware simply stuck to the tried and true method of having a TRADITIONAL relationship in this game that we all know and love (i.e. Male/Female romance only) none of this would be an issue. Sure, maybe a few gays out there would protest, but it wouldnt be like it is now. People are used to gays not being the central focus so if Dragon Age 2 only had the traditional male and female relationship there wouldnt be the huuuuge gigantic issue that Dragon Age has turned into regarding romance options. I mean really, who would complain that your male character got to romance only a female character in the game? No one! Its what we're used to seeing! Looks like Bioware shot themselves in the foot trying to pander to the gay crowd and by being lazy and making EVERY CHARACTER in DA2 bi sexual to "please evreyone". In the future, to avoid any potential issues, they should stick to only having male/female relationships in their games. i heard only like 3% of the population was gay anyhow. i dunno but it is low compared to the overall. This whole thing has gotten Bioware nothing but grief from both orientation's so what does that tell you Bioware? hmmmm? Either way you choose you will upset someone so i suggest you go it the old fashioned way: male/female only. its what we're used to, and nobody complains(well mostly anyhows) and that means less stress for you.