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[Inquisitor Recon]

LiquidGrape wrote...
So your solution to the very realistic scenario of people presuming on ones traits, qualities et al., is the thoroughly unrealistic approach of deciding on how characters should and shouldn't behave?
Yeah, that won't hurt characterisation at all.

Now I live in one of the most liberal states of this country but in my experience even up here people typically don't make such presumptions.

Such an option at the beginning of the game wouldn't be any more unrealistic than every LI just happening to be a bisexual.

[Sharn01]

asindre wrote...

tanerb123 wrote...

the only reason i am not happy with gay romance is that space could be used for extra straight romance. because i am not happy with isabella and merril

I don't think it takes a lot of space to make dialog available for both genders...

Next to no effort at all according to Devs, its a lot more work to write a whole new character and create whole new scenes then to ask the VA who is already there to record a few more lines of dialogue.

[Deadmac]

If BioWare revealed that there was a high level of homosexuality, before the preorder phase, people with such high ethics would have chosen to not buy the game.

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which says "alternative sexuality'" orientated game.

Modifié par Deadmac, 24 mars 2011 - 10:20 .

[termokanden]

Deadmac wrote...

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which say "alternative sexuality'"orientated game.

I think we're about to Godwin this thread.

I'll try to avoid it. This game is not about that at all, it's about Hawke killing things and becoming a champion. Romances are completely optional and extremely easy to avoid.

Why this is a big deal I'll never know.

[Sharn01]

Deadmac wrote...

If BioWare revealed that there was a high level of homosexuality, before the preorder phase, people with such high ethics would have chosen to not buy the game.

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which says "alternative sexuality'" orientated game.

But its not an alternative sexually oritented game, its not only possible to play the game as straight but also very easy to do so, and the romances themselves are all optional and a very tiny part of the whole game.

[Inquisitor Recon]

You should build a game for the majority of the market your aiming for first. Which in my mind shouldn't mean making everybody bisexual as a matter of convenience.

[Ryzaki]

Deadmac wrote...

If BioWare revealed that there was a high level of homosexuality, before the preorder phase, people with such high ethics would have chosen to not buy the game.

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which says "alternative sexuality'" orientated game.

 

If they can't tell not to pick on a giant heart icon what makes you think they're gonna understand alternative sexuality? 

[John Epler]

tanerb123 wrote...

the only reason i am not happy with gay romance is that space could be used for extra straight romance. because i am not happy with isabella and merril

Not really applicable, actually.

Think of it this way - if a character is made available as a romance option for both genders, there are some things that have to change, but in general it is the same character.

Compare this to a brand new character. First, you have to introduce them in the story such that their presence makes sense. Then you have to develop that character, as well as their romance and personal arc. This isn't even taking into account the fact that each follower is at least a month and a half of very long days for cinematic design to work on, or the art assets required, or the character balancing with talents and such.

It is a vast difference in effort required. Heck, if romances were removed entirely (for both genders), you might save enough time to build one more companion. Who would also be non-romanceable.

[Galad22]

Deadmac wrote...

If BioWare revealed that there was a high level of homosexuality, before the preorder phase, people with such high ethics would have chosen to not buy the game.

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which says "alternative sexuality'" orientated game.

Completely optional homosexuality, you do have to pursue them actively.

And I wouldn't say that those who are prejudiced against minorities as having "high Ethics".

[mesmerizedish]

termokanden wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which say "alternative sexuality'"orientated game.

I think we're about to Godwin this thread.

*hides her yellow armband* WE ARE NOT.

[c3701]

The Angry One wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Typically the only straight people I see who want Bioware to add such stuff are suffering from a severe case of white male guilt. And yes, if you add 41 to 1970 you get 2011. Saying "it is ____ not ____" doesn't mean anything. I'm against it because I am starting to see it negatively effect the quality of their games.

Ha! If it's "affecting quality" then how would a "no homosexuality" option in the menu change that!
You are now just lying and using double-talk to justify your exceptionally weak position.

How about just, "Sexual Orientation" with options straight, gay, all. 

The reason it is different than race, social status, disability, veteran status, criminal history, bmi,
smoker, handed-ness, and a million other things is that those things have nothing to do with sex.  Sex is pretty touchy.  Many (I won't say most, though that is my guess) straight guys do not like being hit on by guys.  How hard is that to understand?  Why is it so important for you that the same sex companions give it a shot?  Is it really that offensive that some straight people do not like this?  Do you really think it affects in any way how the player would interact with you in the streets?

I'm all for the ability for gay people to marry each other in real life.  I don't think it's in any way our governments business.  But good lord, can't a game have some straight companions?

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

Now I live in one of the most liberal states of this country but in my experience even up here people typically don't make such presumptions.

Such an option at the beginning of the game wouldn't be any more unrealistic than every LI just happening to be a bisexual.

Has it occured to you that Anders is the type of person who would make such a presumption?
Anders is an extremely needy individual. His lonliness is apparent in how he pines over the absence of a cat. It's well within logic that someone like him would grow attached to someone like Hawke and at least try to make it something more whatever their gender.

Deadmac wrote...

If BioWare revealed that there was a high
level of homosexuality, before the preorder phase, people with such
high ethics would have chosen to not buy the game.

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which says "alternative sexuality'" orientated game.

Which would just reinforce the idea that this is somehow wrong.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 mars 2011 - 10:23 .

[Russalka]

ReconTeam wrote...

You should build a game for the majority of the market your aiming for first. Which in my mind shouldn't mean making everybody bisexual as a matter of convenience.

The majority dislikes bisexuality then? Why should that be catered to?

[Inquisitor Recon]

c3701 wrote...
How about just, "Sexual Orientation" with options straight, gay, all. 

Honestly, that would work for me.

[asindre]

Deadmac wrote...

If BioWare revealed that there was a high level of homosexuality, before the preorder phase, people with such high ethics would have chosen to not buy the game.

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which says "alternative sexuality'" orientated game.

Because that wouldn't be offensive at all.

[Mooh Bear]

[quote]Artoz96 wrote...


What do you mean "And dont have problems with gay, until they try to flirt to me"? Are you wearing a "I'm straight" badge? How would a gay know that you're straight otherwise? And what would you do if it happened?
How is it not being intolerant to want them to "go away"? I mean,  how saying: "It's not that I don't like you, I just don't want to you anywhere near me." to people that are not a threat, or even a nuisance, in any way, shape or form not intolerant?[/quote]

Nope, it up to you to guess

When women dont like a man it ok, if man dont like man it's intolerance? I dont get it.

I dont want gay people to flirt with me because I DONT WANT and if it is intolerance that ok, I am not tolerate person.

For me tolerance it is when you let people live their own life. So I dont insult gay or hit them. And yep when I can I try to avoid gays. Is it so insulting? What, I must say I LOVE ALL GAYS IN HE WORLD or what I need to do to be tolerate.

I really think that all this stuff with tolerance in bul.....  The only rule is not to harm others.
And I dont see any harm if I dont want to deal with gays :innocent:

[/quote]

You're not answering the question. What would you do if a man accidentally flirted with you, being under the impression you'd be receptive to his advances? That guy wouldn't do anything wrong. He's just mistaken. Same way a woman could be. And about women, would you be okay if a woman requested you to "go away" because she wants a man-free zone around her?

[Deadmac]

Sharn01 wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

If BioWare revealed that there was a high level of homosexuality, before the preorder phase, people with such high ethics would have chosen to not buy the game.

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which says "alternative sexuality'" orientated game.

But its not an alternative sexually oritented game, its not only possible to play the game as straight but also very easy to do so, and the romances themselves are all optional and a very tiny part of the whole game.

So, what you are saying is that... "Dragon Age II" was made for people who live alternative lifestyles, and hetrosexuals should be discriminated against for being hetrosexuals?

[Ryzaki]

JohnEpler wrote...

tanerb123 wrote...

the only reason i am not happy with gay romance is that space could be used for extra straight romance. because i am not happy with isabella and merril

Not really applicable, actually.

Think of it this way - if a character is made available as a romance option for both genders, there are some things that have to change, but in general it is the same character.

Compare this to a brand new character. First, you have to introduce them in the story such that their presence makes sense. Then you have to develop that character, as well as their romance and personal arc. This isn't even taking into account the fact that each follower is at least a month and a half of very long days for cinematic design to work on, or the art assets required, or the character balancing with talents and such.

It is a vast difference in effort required. Heck, if romances were removed entirely (for both genders), you might save enough time to build one more companion. Who would also be non-romanceable.

Thanks for the valuable insight Epler.  

Interesting. So the waste of resources argument doesn't hold as much weight as I thought it did. Good to know. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Russalka wrote...
The majority dislikes bisexuality then? Why should that be catered to?

Yet in my opinion it was never about bisexuals (except maybe Isabella), it was about just making everybody an option to sleep with no matter what as a matter of convinence

[Captain Jazz]

If you really, desperately need for there not to be the option for homosexual romances within the game, why not make a mod removing it? That way you're not constantly harrassed by that single tentative flirt and you don't have to remove anything from anyone else. That way you can also feel like you were involved in the creative process, even if it was in the role of book burner.

[The Metalion]

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

When it comes down to it......anyone who wants a "No homosexual" option is straight up homophobic. End of question.

That's not a question.

Instantly slapping a 'homophobic' label on people is stereotypical, ignorant and insulting.  End of question.

[Monsteroids]

Is everybody watching this thread? I feel like everyone has eyes on this thread.

[The Angry One]

Deadmac wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

If BioWare revealed that there was a high level of homosexuality, before the preorder phase, people with such high ethics would have chosen to not buy the game.

Maybe there should be a statement on the box, which says "alternative sexuality'" orientated game.

But its not an alternative sexually oritented game, its not only possible to play the game as straight but also very easy to do so, and the romances themselves are all optional and a very tiny part of the whole game.

So, what you are saying is that... "Dragon Age II" was made for people who live alternative lifestyles, and hetrosexuals should be discriminated against for being hetrosexuals?

He says that it's perfectly possible to play the game as straight, and you infer that DA2 discriminates against heterosexuals?
Does not compute.

[Deadmac]

The Metalion wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

When it comes down to it......anyone who wants a "No homosexual" option is straight up homophobic. End of question.

That's not a question.

Instantly slapping a 'homophobic' label on people is stereotypical, ignorant and insulting.  End of question.

I agree with you Metalion.

His comments sounds like, "If you are a hetrosexual person with high morals, you should be discriminated against because your are a hetrosexual."

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
He says that it's perfectly possible to play the game as straight, and you infer that DA2 discriminates against heterosexuals?

It is perfectly possible to play any Bioware game if your gay right? So why is the lack of gay options seen as discrimination?