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[Drake Sigar]

Mooh Bear wrote...
What do you mean "And dont have problems with gay, until they try to flirt to me"? Are you wearing a "I'm straight" badge? How would a gay know that you're straight otherwise? And what would you do if it happened?
How is it not being intolerant to want them to "go away"? I mean,  how saying: "It's not that I don't like you, I just don't want to you anywhere near me." to people that are not a threat, or even a nuisance, in any way, shape or form not intolerant?

They could come out and ask?

I want to get this out in the open – on some small level most heterosexuals are threatened by homosexuality. It has been peddled to us as a disease of the mind since childhood. Even those not exposed to old-fashioned parents or religious brainwashing still had to contend with a school of teenagers who’ll dissect and destroy you for anything which differs from their skewered notion of the norm. Many men are still not willing to hug other men, or if they do, they keep a safe distance between their nether regions. Our intolerance, however mild, is not acceptable. But you can certainly understand how it came about, yes? We are trying to improve and become better human beings. In the meantime we would appreciate it if you showed some tolerance (irony) and resisted the urge to comment on our finely sculptured buttocks.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 24 mars 2011 - 10:28 .

[Ryzaki]

DA2 doesn't discriminate against anyone except those who absolutely cannot stand the thought of all the LIs being bi and that their LI might be interested in a s/s Hawke in an alternate playthrough.

And frankly it makes me an intolerant ****** but I don't care if those people feel discriminated if it makes the game more fun for other people.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 10:30 .

[Captain Jazz]

ReconTeam wrote...

You should build a game for the majority of the market your aiming for first. Which in my mind shouldn't mean making everybody bisexual as a matter of convenience.

So you believe that the majority of the market is against it? Again, I have to ask where your numbers for this are?

[The Angry One]

Deadmac wrote...

The Metalion wrote...

Ms. Lovey Dovey wrote...

When it comes down to it......anyone who wants a "No homosexual" option is straight up homophobic. End of question.

That's not a question.

Instantly slapping a 'homophobic' label on people is stereotypical, ignorant and insulting.  End of question.

I agree with you Metalion.

His comments sounds like, "If you are a hetrosexual person with high morals, you should be discriminated against because your are a hetrosexual."

Um, define high morals. Thinking someone who is bisexual or gay is somehow wrong or sinning is not morality. That is dogma and prejudice.

[Deadmac]

The Angry One wrote...
He says that it's perfectly possible to play the game as straight, and you infer that DA2 discriminates against heterosexuals?
Does not compute.

According to some of the conversations taking place, some of the male characters will automatically attempt to hit on the male pc. So, the game does throw homosexuality into your face.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Captain Jazz wrote...
So you believe that the majority of the market is against it? Again, I have to ask where your numbers for this are?

The majority of the market doesn't get anything out of such content, I'm not saying they're automatically against it.

[Ryzaki]

I think the majority cares more about the repeating maps, and the change of focus from DAO than about who exactly is Bi. 

I'm pretty sure that's pretty low on the list of concerns. IF it's even on it. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 10:29 .

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
He says that it's perfectly possible to play the game as straight, and you infer that DA2 discriminates against heterosexuals?

It is perfectly possible to play any Bioware game if your gay right? So why is the lack of gay options seen as discrimination?

That has nothing to do with what I said..

[Russalka]

Deadmac wrote...

According to some of the conversations taking place, some of the male characters will automatically attempt to hit on the male pc. So, the game does throw homosexuality into your face.

People flirt. People get rejected. People hurt over it.

People don't complain about heterosexuality being thrown into their faces, do they?

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
That has nothing to do with what I said..

It is still a question I'm waiting to hear the answer for.

[moilami]

BioWare Social Network made me homophobic with postings like this:

http://social.biowar...48626/3#6706979

Ban me and steal my games for being homophobic.

[Pacifien]

ReconTeam wrote...
Yet in my opinion it was never about bisexuals (except maybe Isabella), it was about just making everybody an option to sleep with no matter what as a matter of convinence

See, I did the romance for both male and female Hawke with Anders, and the fact that both genders could romance him doesn't come across as convenient. I prefer the performance of the male voice acting on Hawke and I get to enjoy the romance of the four that I think is best. What I see is an opening of options where a romance is not denied a person because of the gender they wish to play, and I see dialogue actually altered somewhat to reflect the change.

And I did another playthrough where a male Hawke doesn't romance Anders and I didn't get the situation where Anders flirts with him. His sexuality was a nonissue in that playthrough. As far as that Hawke was considered, Anders was straight based on his dialogue with Isabela about the Pearl.

[Ryzaki]

Deadmac wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
He says that it's perfectly possible to play the game as straight, and you infer that DA2 discriminates against heterosexuals?
Does not compute.

According to some of the conversations taking place, some of the male characters will automatically attempt to hit on the male pc. So, the game does throw homosexuality into your face.

One 

Character being Anders who you can immediately turn down. 

Who is portrayed as a needy clingy and jealous character. 

It's not suprirsing. Just like Isabela is thrown in my face by propositing me the second I meet her. I don't hear people with FemHawke's all outraged "She hit on me! BioWare is throwing lesbians in my face!" 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[v_ware]

Deadmac wrote...
According to some of the conversations taking place, some of the male characters will automatically attempt to hit on the male pc. So, the game does throw homosexuality into your face.

And homosexuality is wrong? 5 seconds of some guy hitting and you're all on your horses. WE DEMAND NO ****** BUTTON.

Disgusting.

[Monsteroids]

I guess it's insulting for a guy to know that his girlfriend could get off on other girls or that guys could enjoy the sight of him?

I was always told that it's not my business what other people think of me and that the point of a healthy relationship is that you love each other.

So with that in mind and the ability of never having to think of Merrill as straight and Anders as nothing more than a deranged idiot, I don't see the problem with the game mechanics at all.

[The Angry One]

Deadmac wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
He says that it's perfectly possible to play the game as straight, and you infer that DA2 discriminates against heterosexuals?
Does not compute.

According to some of the conversations taking place, some of the male characters will automatically attempt to hit on the male pc. So, the game does throw homosexuality into your face.

1) Have you played the game? If you have not, you're not really in a position to comment.
2) One major character attempts to do this. Once. He can be rejected. Life moves on.
3) Presenting the fact that homosexuality exists and that one of the characters is so is not "throwing it in your face" or discriminating against heterosexuality. Equal existence is not discrimination.

[Haexpane]

Unfortunately Privilege Denying Dude is real and it's a lot worse for things that are not videogames. Like the american political system for instance, you have one half of Joe the fake plumber types (PDDs) and then you have the rest of us, who understand that giving all the money to the wealthiest 1% to make them even richer is NOT the "american dream" no matter how many times John Boehner cries about it.

[asindre]

Deadmac wrote...

I agree with you Metalion.

His comments sounds like, "If you are a hetrosexual person with high morals, you should be discriminated against because your are a hetrosexual."

What does morals have to do with being gay?

[The Angry One]

Ryzaki wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
He says that it's perfectly possible to play the game as straight, and you infer that DA2 discriminates against heterosexuals?
Does not compute.

According to some of the conversations taking place, some of the male characters will automatically attempt to hit on the male pc. So, the game does throw homosexuality into your face.

One 

Character being Anders who you can immediately turn down. 

Who is portrayed as a needy clingy character. 

It's not suprirsing. Just like Isabela is thrown in my face by propositing me the second I meet her. I don't hear peole with FemHawke's all outraged "She hit on me! BioWare is throwing lesbians in my face!" 

Indeed. In fact, Isabela's same-sex flirts are near constant. Invitations to her bed, innuendo, and so on.
Even with a male character, aren't there those who feel such loose innuendo is inappropriate and sin? They're being discriminated against!

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[Russalka]

ReconTeam wrote...
The majority of the market doesn't get anything out of such content, I'm not saying they're automatically against it.

The majority of the market does not care about romances, male love interests and women wearing decent clothing and having realistic proportions.

Or we can also stop making generalisations.

[Deadmac]

The Angry One wrote...
Um, define high morals. Thinking someone who is bisexual or gay is somehow wrong or sinning is not morality. That is dogma and prejudice.

Well, according to some people's religous beliefs (and how a parent raises a child), 'the act of homosexuality' is an immoral sin. Even though the person is welcomed blindly, the acts in which they practice behind closed doors is considered a sin to some.

How do you deal with that senerio?

Modifié par Deadmac, 24 mars 2011 - 10:35 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Back before DA2 released I believe a few options were proposed for dealing with S/S content. Somebody suggested DLC, there were ideas of an option at the beginning of the game, etc. Yet those who want S/S content start immeidately with claims of homophobia, sexism, bigotry, whatever. You say such things would "encourage" homophobes and so on. Yet you insist nobody judge you, so who are you to judge us who would have liked such an option or simply opposed the inclusion of such content in DA?

[robotnist]

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[AkiKishi]

Let's be clear here it's fantasy territory anyway everyone being bi. Everyone is bi so the player can choose any LI.
If someone wants to have a game where no one is gay and hits on them , thats equally fantasy territory and if one is allowed then so should the other, otherwise you are not treating people equally.

v_ware wrote...
And homosexuality is wrong? 5 seconds of some guy hitting and you're all on your horses. WE DEMAND NO ****** BUTTON.

Disgusting.

For some people it is at the core of their belief system.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[Monsteroids]

Ryzaki wrote...
One 

Character being Anders who you can immediately turn down. 

Who is portrayed as a needy clingy and jealous character. 

It's not suprirsing. Just like Isabela is thrown in my face by propositing me the second I meet her. I don't hear peole with FemHawke's all outraged "She hit on me! BioWare is throwing lesbians in my face!" 

They threw the WRONG lesbian in my face! I demand compensation for the trauma of having a walking STD actually HIT on ME! Do you know who I am? I am the player, the consumer, and I should not have to tolerate filthy streetwalkers all over my pure virginal Hawke!

Modifié par Monsteroids, 24 mars 2011 - 10:36 .