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[Inquisitor Recon]

Russalka wrote...
Or we can also stop making generalisations.

How is it an inaccurate generalization? Most gamers are straight, as such they wouldn't get anything out of said content.

[Bathead]

moilami wrote...

BioWare Social Network made me homophobic with postings like this:

http://social.biowar...48626/3#6706979

Ban me and steal my games for being homophobic.

Nope. Banned for behaving like a tool and breaking the rules you agreed to when you registered for these forums. Nobody "stole" your games. You lost them through nobody's fault but your own.

[v_ware]

Deadmac wrote...
Well, according to some people's religous beliefs (and how a parent raises a child), 'the act of homosexuality' is a immoral sin. Even though the person is welcomed blindly, the act in which they practice behind closed door is considered a sin to some.

How do you deal with that senerio?

Homosexuality is an immoral sin to some. And animal sacrifice must be done to please god for some.

I too can play this game. Tell the whole story.

[Artoz96]

[quote]Mooh Bear wrote...

[quote]Artoz96 wrote...


What do you mean "And dont have problems with gay, until they try to flirt to me"? Are you wearing a "I'm straight" badge? How would a gay know that you're straight otherwise? And what would you do if it happened?
How is it not being intolerant to want them to "go away"? I mean,  how saying: "It's not that I don't like you, I just don't want to you anywhere near me." to people that are not a threat, or even a nuisance, in any way, shape or form not intolerant?[/quote]

Nope, it up to you to guess

When women dont like a man it ok, if man dont like man it's intolerance? I dont get it.

I dont want gay people to flirt with me because I DONT WANT and if it is intolerance that ok, I am not tolerate person.

For me tolerance it is when you let people live their own life. So I dont insult gay or hit them. And yep when I can I try to avoid gays. Is it so insulting? What, I must say I LOVE ALL GAYS IN HE WORLD or what I need to do to be tolerate.

I really think that all this stuff with tolerance in bul.....  The only rule is not to harm others.
And I dont see any harm if I dont want to deal with gays :innocent:

[/quote]

You're not answering the question. What would you do if a man accidentally flirted with you, being under the impression you'd be receptive to his advances? That guy wouldn't do anything wrong. He's just mistaken. Same way a woman could be. And about women, would you be okay if a woman requested you to "go away" because she wants a man-free zone around her?[/quote]

Do you understand a word "deal"? If two gays chating each other and sit near me it is ok, I dont mind it. But I dont want to deal with them. That is all.

And about your question, I would ask him to leave and I would be disgusted about all this situation.

[Russalka]

I think the complaints over realism are rather trivial next to this being a positive message about sexual liberty.

[The Angry One]

Deadmac wrote...

Well, according to some people's religous beliefs (and how a parent raises a child), 'the act of homosexuality' is an immoral sin. Even though the person is welcomed blindly, the acts in which they practice behind closed doors is considered a sin to some.

How do you deal with that senerio?

Strong religious beliefs of that type would also tend to include the use of magic as the work of Satan so I'd wonder why they're playing the game at all.
There's also what I mentioned about Isabela above. Regardless of your gender, Isabela is flirty, rauchy and promiscuous. To certain people with certain beliefs, this is immoral and sinful.
Does this mean they're being discriminated against? Should there be a "toggle Isabela" button too?

[Deadmac]

The Angry One wrote...

Indeed. In fact, Isabela's same-sex flirts are near constant. Invitations to her bed, innuendo, and so on.
Even with a male character, aren't there those who feel such loose innuendo is inappropriate and sin? They're being discriminated against!

What about hetrosexual females who think the act of lesbian relations are immoral? Its not all one-sided.

[v_ware]

ReconTeam wrote...

Russalka wrote...
Or we can also stop making generalisations.

How is it an inaccurate generalization? Most gamers are straight, as such they wouldn't get anything out of said content.

Again: Majority isn't usable as a argument about morality.

Unless you're three years old.

[Sherbet Lemon]

Ryzaki wrote...
It's not suprirsing. Just like Isabela is thrown in my face by propositing me the second I meet her. I don't hear people with FemHawke's all outraged "She hit on me! BioWare is throwing lesbians in my face!"

My expression sort of mirrored FemHawke's. It was a very nice scene.  Very nice indeed.

Ahem. Back to your regularly scheduled debate.

[The Angry One]

[quote]Artoz96 wrote...

You're not answering the question. What would you do if a man accidentally flirted with you, being under the impression you'd be receptive to his advances? That guy wouldn't do anything wrong. He's just mistaken. Same way a woman could be. And about women, would you be okay if a woman requested you to "go away" because she wants a man-free zone around her?[/quote]

Do you understand a word "deal"? If two gays chating each other and sit near me it is ok, I dont mind it. But I dont want to deal with them. That is all.

And about your question, I would ask him to leave and I would be disgusted about all this situation.



[/quote]

Can you not say "I'm not interested" and move on?

[Galad22]

Deadmac wrote...
Well, according to some people's religous beliefs (and how a parent raises a child), 'the act of homosexuality' is an immoral sin. Even though the person is welcomed blindly, the acts in which they practice behind closed doors is considered a sin to some.

How do you deal with that senerio?

Can we please leave the religious clap-trap out of this thread. Seriously I just might start arguing about it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Russalka wrote...
I think the complaints over realism are rather trivial next to this being a positive message about sexual liberty.

Not everybody would agree it is positive.

[Galad22]

ReconTeam wrote...

Not everybody would agree it is positive.

But some would.

[Russalka]

ReconTeam wrote...
How is it an inaccurate generalization? Most gamers are straight, as such they wouldn't get anything out of said content.

Make female Hawke lesbian-only then, and make all armours look like bikinis.

[Inquisitor Recon]

v_ware wrote...
Again: Majority isn't usable as a argument about morality.
Unless you're three years old.

I would hate to imply your reading comprehension may be on the level of a three-year old, but I was talking about sales and money, not morality there.

[mesmerizedish]

ReconTeam wrote...

Russalka wrote...
I think the complaints over realism are rather trivial next to this being a positive message about sexual liberty.

Not everybody would agree it is positive.

Syaing it's negative is pretty much the definition of homophobia. I'm not actually trying to say that anyone in particular is homophobic, I'm just pointing that out.

[The Angry One]

Deadmac wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Indeed. In fact, Isabela's same-sex flirts are near constant. Invitations to her bed, innuendo, and so on.
Even with a male character, aren't there those who feel such loose innuendo is inappropriate and sin? They're being discriminated against!

What about hetrosexual females who think the act of lesbian relations are immoral? Its not all one-sided.

What about them? You cannot write characters so that they will not offend anyone.
Bethany's a mage. She will offend those who think magic is evil.
Aveline is a soldier. She will offend misogynists.
Fenris is anti-slavery. He will offend ancient Romans.
And so on..

[Galad22]

ReconTeam wrote...

I would hate to imply your reading comprehension may be on the level of a three-year old, but I was talking about sales and money, not morality there.

Well clearly sales aren't affected since these are in the game.

[Captain Jazz]

ReconTeam wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...
So you believe that the majority of the market is against it? Again, I have to ask where your numbers for this are?

The majority of the market doesn't get anything out of such content, I'm not saying they're automatically against it.

Again. Numbers.
The majority of the roleplaying game market are likely to be roleplayers. Suggesting then that the majority gets nothing from certain aspects of roleplaying seems... contrary to that.
Also, as John Epler has made quite plain in this very thread, it takes very little extra work to make a romanceable character accessable to either gender... so what's the issue?

[Merci357]

ReconTeam wrote...

Russalka wrote...
I think the complaints over realism are rather trivial next to this being a positive message about sexual liberty.

Not everybody would agree it is positive.

I guess not, since we already have people in this thread arguing with the bible. But we live in 2011, "thank god".

[Ryzaki]

The Angry One wrote...
Indeed. In fact, Isabela's same-sex flirts are near constant. Invitations to her bed, innuendo, and so on.
Even with a male character, aren't there those who feel such loose innuendo is inappropriate and sin? They're being discriminated against!

Indeed. We ned a Isabela toggle. So she won't dare mention any of her slanderous filth. 

Monsteroids wrote...
They threw the WRONG lesbian in my face! I demand compensation for the trauma of having a walking STD actually HIT on ME! Do you know who I am? I am the player, the consumer, and I should not have to tolerate filthy streetwalkers all over my pure virginal Hawke!

Indeed. How dare she! 

And to a femHawke! She insulted my femininity! I had to watch her to make sure she wouldn't try to molest me and she still ran up in my house! I never touched a heart icon! What? The golden heart? Well yeah I clicked that but it doesn't matter! The heart meant nothing at all! 

[mesmerizedish]

The Angry One wrote...

What about them? You cannot write characters so that they will not offend anyone.
Bethany's a mage. She will offend those who think magic is evil.
Aveline is a soldier. She will offend misogynists.
Fenris is anti-slavery. He will offend ancient Romans.
And so on..

Ancient Romans aren't around anymore. Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is invalidated?

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 24 mars 2011 - 10:56 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Syaing it's negative is pretty much the definition of homophobia. I'm not actually trying to say that anyone in particular is homophobic, I'm just pointing that out.

Is homophobia even a real recognized medical condition to begin with? If my sense of morality makes me a homophobe so be it I suppose.

[The Angry One]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

What about them? You cannot write characters so that they will not offend anyone.
Bethany's a mage. She will offend those who think magic is evil.
Aveline is a soldier. She will offend misogynists.
Fenris is anti-slavery. He will offend ancient Romans.
And so on..

Ancient Romans aren't around anymore. You're ENTIRE ARGUMENT is invalidated?

That's DISCRIMINATION against ancient Romans!

[Iakus]

Sharn01 wrote...
Yes, in my opinion it actually does.  When yo ask for this toggle you are saying that homosexuality is so bad that you want to erase it completely from the game, that the game makers agree with you that homosexuality is a terrible thing and give you the option to erase it from the game.  You are saying that rewriting chracters that are bisexual or gay and have those as character traits is less important then you being offended for 5 seconds during the course of a 30 hour game.

The idea is just as rediculous as having a toggle to turn everyone in the game gay with no interest in members of their own sex.

Hmm, I hit the toggle to remove persistant gore from the game.  Don't like having conversations while drenched in blood.  Does that make me...hemophobic? 

But seriously, the only problem I have with making the LIs available to everyone, regardless of gender is that, to me, it removes a part of what makes each character unique.  If they're all attracted to you, regardless of who or what you are, as long as you hit that  icon, seems to be making the reality of Thedas a bit...mutable.  Like reality bends around your character rather than people having clearly defined charactaristics.  I had enough of that with Shepard's mioond-control powers, thankyouverymuch


But for this particular game, the only truly annoying part was  I didn't like racking up rivalry ponts for turning down a character I wanted to befriend, just not be that kind of friend