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[randName]

A wonderful response from BW; I might now love DA2, but due to comments like this I still love BW ~

[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Alright, am I the only one....or did anyone else get dirty (and somewhat unpleasant) thoughts when they saw the title of this thread?

...not until now. 

Honey Buns, I can't unsee THAT

[EDIT] Unread? Unthink?

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 24 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[Ryzaki]

Deadmac wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
So what, we should carry obsolete dogma into our videogames?

Russalka wrote...
If that is where your beliefs are from, then honey, you should consider getting in touch with the modern times.

I'm going to let those comments hang for a moment. According to what you both just said, "Dragon Age II" allows the player to practice diverse behavior that is 100% acceptable by society.

You also said that religion is an obsolete philosophy, which has no basis for existing in modern times.

Difference is (I) for one am okay with you being able to believe as you want in your video game. Just as long as it doesn't impend my game. Hawke wants to be religious? Let it be player choice. 

Player wants said religious views to influence the game and take away opions like bi romance options? They can go kick rocks. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 11:03 .

[moilami]

I aks why you gay and bi people have to attack very aggressively on heteros who has done nothing to you. You have done it to me, you did it to OP here, and I have seen you doing it to other people too.

Can you please stop ad hominem attacks and focus on what the person has asked.

The OP asked for hetero romance. Why you begun to attack him?

[Russalka]

Deadmac wrote...

You also said that religion is an obsolete philosophy, which has no basis for existing in modern times.

Both of those statement are wrong.

Out of context for me. If you are preaching about how hating or 'fixing' people who are gay is okay, then yes, you should renew your beliefs. Why should Dragon Age 2 cater to that?

Christianity, religion, can co-exist with all sexualities. Just let it happen.

[Most Definitely Sane]

How about we all stop the homophobia and bible-blasting and have a conversation about how awesome the devs are for standing up to people who think only straight people want love interests?

[The Angry One]

Deadmac wrote...

I'm going to let those comments hang for a moment. According to what you both just said, "Dragon Age II" allows the player to practice diverse behavior that is 100% acceptable by society.

You also said that religion is an obsolete philosophy, which has no basis for existing in modern times.

Both of those statement are wrong.

1) Regardless of what is acceptable and what isn't, you can engage in it just the same in DA.

2) My opinion on religion has not been stated and is irrelevant to this discussion. What I and others have said is values rooted in the 19th century are obsolete because, you know, they're from the 19th century and are no longer valid due to evolving society. This would include homosexuality as sin, intolerance of non-believers and women being subjigated by men.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[Galad22]

Deadmac wrote...
I'm going to let those comments hang for a moment. According to what you both just said, "Dragon Age II" allows the player to practice diverse behavior that is 100% acceptable by society.

You also said that religion is an obsolete philosophy, which has no basis for existing in modern times.

Both of those statement are wrong.

Why do you insist on bringing bible in this? Seriously, its got nothing to do with the conversation we are having.

Modifié par Galad22, 24 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[Monsteroids]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

How about we all stop the homophobia and bible-blasting and have a conversation about how awesome the devs are for standing up to people who think only straight people want love interests?

Sure is a whole lot of blasting going on here.

Modifié par Monsteroids, 24 mars 2011 - 11:15 .

[mesmerizedish]

moilami wrote...

I aks why you gay and bi people have to attack very aggressively on heteros who has done nothing to you. You have done it to me, you did it to OP here, and I have seen you doing it to other people too.

Can you please stop ad hominem attacks and focus on what the person has asked.

The OP asked for hetero romance. Why you begun to attack him?

Because the OP has "done" something to us. What the OP is asking for is to strip away the choices the gay community now have, and justifying it by saying that, since we're the minority, we don't matter.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 24 mars 2011 - 11:04 .

[The Angry One]

moilami wrote...

I aks why you gay and bi people have to attack very aggressively on heteros who has done nothing to you. You have done it to me, you did it to OP here, and I have seen you doing it to other people too.

Can you please stop ad hominem attacks and focus on what the person has asked.

The OP asked for hetero romance. Why you begun to attack him?

That is not the case at all, you're not helping anyone by strawmanning the situation.

[Blastback]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

How about we all stop the homophobia and bible-blasting and have a conversation about how awesome the devs are for standing up to people who think only straight people want love interests?

+50 approval.

[The Metalion]

The whole issue is obviously very controversial.

Maybe the real question is, do the controversial homosexual nuances make the game any more or less enjoyable?

For me, they don't make the game any better and it wouldn't suffer if they weren't there. Feel free to take that statement at face value or twist it any way you want.

[v_ware]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

How about we all stop the homophobia and bible-blasting and have a conversation about how awesome the devs are for standing up to people who think only straight people want love interests?

BAM!

Friendship for Bioware +15

[RainyDayLover]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

Alright, am I the only one....or did anyone else get dirty (and somewhat unpleasant) thoughts when they saw the title of this thread?

...not until now. 

Honey Buns, I can't unsee THAT

[EDIT] Unread? Unthink?

And you know what's even more unsettling? The first line in the thread read "The romances in Dragon Age 2 are for everyone, says the games lead writer, not just for the straight, male gamer." Well, Mr. Gaider...what better way to make your point then to ...well...."blast" the said fan.

yeah, I'll leave now.

[Haexpane]

Galad22 wrote...

Deadmac wrote...
I'm going to let those comments hang for a moment. According to what you both just said, "Dragon Age II" allows the player to practice diverse behavior that is 100% acceptable by society.

You also said that religion is an obsolete philosophy, which has no basis for existing in modern times.

Both of those statement are wrong.

Why do you insist on bringing bible in this? Seriously, its got nothing to do with the conversation we are having.

People who like talking about the bible will shoe horn it into any conversation.  It' gets better when they start telling you about the "proof of Noah's Arc" and how "much of what the bible predicted has already come to pass!"

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
So what, we should carry obsolete dogma into our videogames?

Obsolete dogma? Typical. It all boils down to "my morality is better than your morality" which is nonsense. Your the one who is unwilling to compromise, not I.

[Mad-Max90]

I have asked nicely to please keep from bashing religion, look I'm bi and go to church and guess what I don't combust when I start my prayers, homophobes and gays alike use religion either as a shield or as something to target and assault. Pleas stop. Don't bring real religions into a discussion about fiction it's a bit revolting to see

[John Epler]

Let's keep the religion bashing out of this discussion, please. It serves no purpose.

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
So what, we should carry obsolete dogma into our videogames?

Obsolete dogma? Typical. It all boils down to "my morality is better than your morality" which is nonsense. Your the one who is unwilling to compromise, not I.

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Or are you stating that values from the 19th century are equally valid today?

[Merci357]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

How about we all stop the homophobia and bible-blasting and have a conversation about how awesome the devs are for standing up to people who think only straight people want love interests?

Awesome name to make a post such as this!

[AkiKishi]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

moilami wrote...

I aks why you gay and bi people have to attack very aggressively on heteros who has done nothing to you. You have done it to me, you did it to OP here, and I have seen you doing it to other people too.

Can you please stop ad hominem attacks and focus on what the person has asked.

The OP asked for hetero romance. Why you begun to attack him?

Because the OP has "done" something to us. What the OP is asking for is to strip away the choices the gay community now have, and justifying it by saying that, since we're the minority, we don't matter.

"What I think what BW has done is totally dumb. They should have introduced some characters as straight, some as bi and some as gay. It is more realistic than turning all the romance-companions into bi characters"

Not the same thing really.

(italics mine).

[v_ware]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
So what, we should carry obsolete dogma into our videogames?

Obsolete dogma? Typical. It all boils down to "my morality is better than your morality" which is nonsense. Your the one who is unwilling to compromise, not I.

I call BS. Did you even try to just take the game as it is, homosexuality and all?

NO.

[Speakeasy13]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

I think some insight into sexuality and culture in this world is necessary. My issues isn't homophobia, it's just having every romancable character to be bisexual is just lazy, especially when we see 99% of the NPC in male/female relationships and we don't se homosexuality in everyday life in this world.  Is homosexuality accepted in this culture, tolerated but frowned upon, and how does this relate across cultures?  Do dwarves have the same views on sexuality as humans or elves?  What is the chantry views on sexuality?  Does a religious person have a different view of homosexuality in this world?

Throughout history views towards sexuality has changed.  In Ancient Greece for example, it was ok for two men to have sex, but it was frowned upon if one male was seen as submissive in the relationship (they both had to me aggressive manly men for the relationship to be ok).  If BioWare is going to keep putting homosexuality in this world we need some kind of reference of what it means to be homosexual in this world.  You don't just put it in the game to get points for being "progressive", you should put it in to say something about your world.  

Actually, all of those information is explicitly stated in DA:O lore if you would just look it up. Also if you had romanced Zevran back in the day he too would have commented on the varying DA worldviews on this particular issue.

Also I wonder the validity of your statement when you say 'we don't see homosexuality everyday' IRL. Really? What kind of sheltered environment are you living in? B'cuz even when ppl aren't open about it due to social pressure, a fixed and solid 10% of our population will still be primarily gay.

Not to mention bisexuality is actually more realistic than having definitive orientations. Go ask any social scientist and most will tell you that the ******-heterosexual divide is completely arbitrary and socially constructed. Meaning we are ALL potentially bisexual if only the society doesn't intrude on our sexual preferences.

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 24 mars 2011 - 11:07 .

[rinoe]

I'm not offended with anything in the game. It Is a GAME. A GAME!
The more options, the better.

Simply do not klik heart and no problem, OK? No romance, no offence. Or is it TOO SIMPLE?
Do we realy need big warnings? Or mods? Or 'pick side' options? For who? If ppl can't read the icons will they read the warning tekst? Or does it stop ppl who want to agrue about this? I do not think so.
It looks like "Life of Brian" to me.