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[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

It's not easy to avoid them with the faulty dialogue wheel design though. I'm not easily offended with such matters but the dialogue wheel does lead to some pretty easy flaws in the gameplay that end up with a character flirting or even shacking up with some NPCs. I laugh, shake my head and reload but some people who are offended by such things might be upset.

[John Epler]

Deadmac wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Once again, I feel it necessary to address the fact that I don't see the way we handle romances changing dramatically because of some people being uncomfortable with them. They are optional content, and it is rather easy to avoid them.

What is rather funny is... If people have a problem with these features, they also have the option to not buy the game.

What comes around goes around. Right?

Now, I call that optional content.

Yes, this is referred to as 'exercising your right as a consumer'. Something I always support - vote with your dollar, and don't buy things you don't enjoy.

I'm not sure how that's funny?

[Russalka]

ReconTeam wrote...
Your right I think the values most of my country still have are better than whatever you could offer. You hide behind words like "equality" and "justice" while demanding people treat you special, demanding society rewrite its laws and silence those voices of dissent. You think you are entitled to things even as minor as gay romances in a video game and those who don't agree should be punished. You trash Christianity and other religions as a whole and claim the moral high-ground when you have nothing but meaningless words to offer.

But Christianity trashes other people too, at least some criticism is welcome, right?

I do not get it, how is wanting the same treatment not "equal" and more on the "special" side?

[Paraxial]

JohnEpler wrote...
'I feel uncomfortable that I was presented with same sex romance'

This has been brought up a number of times, and it never gets any less strange. People are offended by the fact that a homosexual romance option is even in the game. I don't know if it threatens the person sexuality, or if they genuinely find homosexuality to be that offense and bizarre. Whatever the case, I appreciate that Bioware continues to include same-sex romance options in their games, making them infinitely more relatable to many people who play games.

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 24 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Tolerant? You just admitted you think 19th century values are superior.
Values which include misogyny and intolerance by the way. And no, you are the one asking for a toggle. You are asking for special treatment because you can't tolerate the existence of bisexuals in your game.

I am happy with what we have, and approve of the fact the David Gaider stood up for it.

Your right I think the values most of my country still have are better than whatever you could offer. You hide behind words like "equality" and "justice" while demanding people treat you special, demanding society rewrite its laws and silence those voices of dissent. You think you are entitled to things even as minor as gay romances in a video game and those who don't agree should be punished. You trash Christianity and other religions as a whole and claim the moral high-ground when you have nothing but meaningless words to offer.

I have done none of those things. You are making up your own bizarre conclusions because you can't answer even the simplest of my challenges.
I have not once "trashed" religion, demanded special treatment or anything else.

Again, you are the one who wants to be treated differently. You dismiss how society is now as "new age nonsense" You really need to look back and think about what you're typing.

[asindre]

ReconTeam wrote...

You hide behind words like "equality" and "justice" while demanding people treat you special

not special
equal

[Sabariel]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

It's not easy to avoid them with the faulty dialogue wheel design though. I'm not easily offended with such matters but the dialogue wheel does lead to some pretty easy flaws in the gameplay that end up with a character flirting or even shacking up with some NPCs. I laugh, shake my head and reload but some people who are offended by such things might be upset.

...Don't pick the giant glowing hearts. How is that "not easy"?

[Monsteroids]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

It's not easy to avoid them with the faulty dialogue wheel design though. I'm not easily offended with such matters but the dialogue wheel does lead to some pretty easy flaws in the gameplay that end up with a character flirting or even shacking up with some NPCs. I laugh, shake my head and reload but some people who are offended by such things might be upset.

Avoid the <3 .

Again, what's wrong with casting a large net so that people can enjoy the content with their own interests and complexities?

Modifié par Monsteroids, 24 mars 2011 - 11:30 .

[Deadmac]

JohnEpler wrote...
Yes, this is referred to as 'exercising your right as a consumer'. Something I always support - vote with your dollar, and don't buy things you don't enjoy.

I'm not sure how that's funny?

I should have said irony.

Maybe another BioWare game will be more pleasing.

[Russalka]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Why is it relevant?  This game isn't about positive messages.  Picking your LI is about choice for the player. 

It is not directly related to the plot or mechanics, but more to the decision to allow this sort of thing.

[mesmerizedish]

asindre wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

You hide behind words like "equality" and "justice" while demanding people treat you special

not special
equal

You're totally wrong. Giving us access to the same romance options as straight characters is totally special. I'd tell you exactly how it's special, but I'm on a diet.

[Galad22]

ReconTeam wrote...

You're right I think the values most of my country still have are better than whatever you could offer. You hide behind words like "equality" and "justice" while demanding people treat you special, demanding society rewrite its laws and silence those voices of dissent. You think you are entitled to things even as minor as gay romances in a video game, and want those who don't agree to be punished. You trash Christianity and other religions as a whole and claim the moral high-ground when you have nothing but meaningless words to offer.

Hah, no one is demanding special treatment. Equal treatment is what people are asking. It should be obvious for anyone.

You people took religion into this thread. I asked at least twice for some people to drop it, yet they insist on bringing it here.

[The Angry One]

moilami wrote...

It is irrelevant if you don't think about how illogical it is.

Now Merril is not fully defined character. She is either ****** or hetero depending on your gender variable. That is your gender defines Merrill - unless she is bi-curious.

It's no more illogical than Hawke being a million and one different people in the same storyline.
Moreover, Merril being bisexual or bi-curious does not change that a sexual relationship with a man is in fact heterosexual. Whoever else she finds attractive is frankly none of anyone's business.

[Speakeasy13]

JohnEpler wrote...

Once again, I feel it necessary to address the fact that I don't see the way we handle romances changing dramatically because of some people being uncomfortable with them. They are optional content, and it is rather easy to avoid them.

Is it a fair criticism to say that you did not feel that the romances offered were to your taste? Certainly. This is likely true of every game, and will remain true no matter what their orientation is. Some people just don't find anything to like in a particular personality type, and if they can't find someone that they do connect with, of course they'll feel a little shortchanged.

This is a vastly different argument from 'I feel uncomfortable that I was presented with same sex romance', however. The former is a matter of taste. The latter is a matter of believing that same sex romance must somehow be squirreled away, hidden from anyone who doesn't go to seek it. Some people are more forward than others - they initiate. I'm sure everyone here has gotten unwanted advances from one or both sexes before, regardless of their sexual preference.

If it's deemed appropriate for a particular character to attempt to initiate things, then they will intiiate things. This will undoubtedly make some people uncomfortable, and that's unfortunate, but this isn't an area that's likely to change for any reason other than 'it doesn't work mechanically/it doesn't make sense for the character'.

Well said. I think when people feel attached to certain characters they also start making up certain assumptions about them, including and not limited to their sexuality. Then maybe it's time for them to rethink whether or not those assumptions are fair, and it really all boils down to the question of 'would you like that character less if he/she is bi or homosexual?' If the answer is yes, I wouldn't go as far as saying it's homophobic, but it'd be start.

Like some posters on the ME2 forum saying that Jacob and Wrex were masculine characters and therefore should not be made bi or homosexual. Why does masculine must be associated with heterosexuality? For me the key to battling homophobia lies in changing that concept really.

[Ryzaki]

Sabariel wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

It's not easy to avoid them with the faulty dialogue wheel design though. I'm not easily offended with such matters but the dialogue wheel does lead to some pretty easy flaws in the gameplay that end up with a character flirting or even shacking up with some NPCs. I laugh, shake my head and reload but some people who are offended by such things might be upset.

...Don't pick the giant glowing hearts. How is that "not easy"?

I don't know...sometimes my faith in human intelligence plummets. 

I mean...there's a massive goldenish heart. 

How do you miss that? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 11:32 .

[Sabariel]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

moilami wrote...

It is irrelevant if you don't think about how illogical it is.

Now Merril is not fully defined character. She is either ****** or hetero depending on your gender variable. That is your gender defines Merrill - unless she is bi-curious.

What orientation was Orsino? Or Varric?

OMZ THEY'RE NOT FULLY DEFINED! THE GAME SUXXORZ!

Varric is Biancasexual. Everyone knows that!

[The Angry One]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

asindre wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

You hide behind words like "equality" and "justice" while demanding people treat you special

not special
equal

You're totally wrong. Giving us access to the same romance options as straight characters is totally special. I'd tell you exactly how it's special, but I'm on a diet.

It's special because we're not the arbitrarily defined majority, duh!

[Speakeasy13]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

It's not easy to avoid them with the faulty dialogue wheel design though. I'm not easily offended with such matters but the dialogue wheel does lead to some pretty easy flaws in the gameplay that end up with a character flirting or even shacking up with some NPCs. I laugh, shake my head and reload but some people who are offended by such things might be upset.

Really? You see the big orange heart, don't click on it. How difficult is that?

[Blacklash93]

Bastal wasn't being homophobic, just over-entitled.

[Galad22]

moilami wrote...

It is irrelevant if you don't think about how illogical it is.

Now Merril is not fully defined character. She is either ****** or hetero depending on your gender variable. That is your gender defines Merrill - unless she is bi-curious.

Have you considered Merrill just might be bi?

Easiest answer is usually the correct one.

[v_ware]

Sabariel wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

It's not easy to avoid them with the faulty dialogue wheel design though. I'm not easily offended with such matters but the dialogue wheel does lead to some pretty easy flaws in the gameplay that end up with a character flirting or even shacking up with some NPCs. I laugh, shake my head and reload but some people who are offended by such things might be upset.

...Don't pick the giant glowing hearts. How is that "not easy"?

Only if you don't know the meaning of one of the most used symbols on earth.

So probably you probably should be mentally challenged not to get this method. Or emotionally crippled.

[The Angry One]

Sabariel wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

It's not easy to avoid them with the faulty dialogue wheel design though. I'm not easily offended with such matters but the dialogue wheel does lead to some pretty easy flaws in the gameplay that end up with a character flirting or even shacking up with some NPCs. I laugh, shake my head and reload but some people who are offended by such things might be upset.

...Don't pick the giant glowing hearts. How is that "not easy"?

No, no see they see giant glowing hearts, and the glow gives them a headache.
So they assume giant glowing heart that gives you a headache means "I have a headache!", the universal polite excuse for "I'm not interested, get lost." and they pick that.
Bound to cause confusion.

[mesmerizedish]

The Angry One wrote...

It's special because we're not the arbitrarily defined majority, duh!

Well, ****. You know, I'm a member of the three most-often-crapped-on demographics, like, ever. I find it a little offensive that the "straight, male gamer" thinks that I'm crapping on him.

Majority my ass.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 24 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
I have done none of those things. You are making up your own bizarre conclusions because you can't answer even the simplest of my challenges.

Again, you are the one who wants to be treated differently. You dismiss how society is now as "new age nonsense" You really need to look back and think about what you're typing.

You're challenges? I have answered all of your questions but you simply refuse to recognize that. You trash my beliefs, cliam you're morality is better, then deny it? You won't even stand by what you want, rather you just criticize what I want. Get off your high horse and look around, you're arrogant and refuse to compromise.

No you're the one who wants to be treated differently. That should be obvious by now. If Bioware were to include only straight romance options you would raise all hell, yet God-forbid that anybody doesn't want to see Bioware waste the effort to appeal to such self-centered consumers like yourself. You're just angry that not everybody thinks the same as you, and in that manner I am proud to ****** you off.