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Is it wrong that I can vividly see how that works in bed?Sabariel wrote...
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
moilami wrote...
It is irrelevant if you don't think about how illogical it is.
Now Merril is not fully defined character. She is either ****** or hetero depending on your gender variable. That is your gender defines Merrill - unless she is bi-curious.
What orientation was Orsino? Or Varric?
OMZ THEY'RE NOT FULLY DEFINED! THE GAME SUXXORZ!
Varric is Biancasexual. Everyone knows that!
Galad22 wrote...
Easiest answer is usually the correct one.
Modifié par Deadmac, 24 mars 2011 - 11:35 .
JohnEpler wrote...
Deadmac wrote...
What is rather funny is... If people have a problem with these features, they also have the option to not buy the game.JohnEpler wrote...
Once again, I feel it necessary to address the fact that I don't see the way we handle romances changing dramatically because of some people being uncomfortable with them. They are optional content, and it is rather easy to avoid them.
What comes around goes around. Right?
Now, I call that optional content.
Yes, this is referred to as 'exercising your right as a consumer'. Something I always support - vote with your dollar, and don't buy things you don't enjoy.
I'm not sure how that's funny?
moilami wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
moilami wrote...
It would be something like Alistair & Femwarden. Consistent in all playthoughs. Merrill appears to be bi-curious?
This is irrelevant. If a male romances Merril, that is a heterosexual romance.
No matter Merril's preferences. The fact that Merril can look at another woman and fancy her does not change the fact that her taking a male lover is heterosexual.
It is irrelevant if you don't think about how illogical it is.
Now Merril is not fully defined character. She is either ****** or hetero depending on your gender variable. That is your gender defines Merrill - unless she is bi-curious.
Or a smexy fem!Hawke...Monsteroids wrote...
Galad22 wrote...
Easiest answer is usually the correct one.
Someone that cute can't possibly have a firm grasp on their own sexuality without a nice big manHawke to show the way.
Modifié par Blacklash93, 24 mars 2011 - 11:36 .
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
It's special because we're not the arbitrarily defined majority, duh!
Well, ****. You know, I'm a member of the three most-often-crapped-on demographics, like, ever. I find it a little offensive that the "straight, male gamer" thinks that I'm crapping on him.
Majority my ass.
moilami wrote...
Captain Jazz wrote...
moilami wrote...
I aks why you gay and bi people have to attack very aggressively on heteros who has done nothing to you. You have done it to me, you did it to OP here, and I have seen you doing it to other people too.
Can you please stop ad hominem attacks and focus on what the person has asked.
The OP asked for hetero romance. Why you begun to attack him?
My boyHawke is in a romance with Merrill.... so... how do you define hetero romance?
It would be something like Alistair & Femwarden. Consistent in all playthoughs. Merrill appears to be bi-curious?
Deadmac wrote...
If someone over at BioWare mentioned this ahead of time, before preorders, I think the conversation being had is late in the game. Why buy something in which make you uncomfortable?
Iishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
moilami wrote...
It is irrelevant if you don't think about how illogical it is.
Now Merril is not fully defined character. She is either ****** or hetero depending on your gender variable. That is your gender defines Merrill - unless she is bi-curious.
What orientation was Orsino? Or Varric?
OMZ THEY'RE NOT FULLY DEFINED! THE GAME SUXXORZ!
Galad22 wrote...
Have you considered Merrill just might be bi?
Easiest answer is usually the correct one.
Deadmac wrote...
If someone over at BioWare mentioned this ahead of time, before preorders, I think the conversation being had is late in the game. Why buy something in which makes you uncomfortable?
Most Definitely Sane wrote...
For the people using the Bible to support homophobia, you are aware it says that God loves everyone? It doesn't say "God loves everyone! Except homosexuals."
As a Christian, I personally don't disapprove of homosexual people romancing virtual characters who will never be real. Now, how about those devs? Pretty cool of them to do that, huh?
Galad22 wrote...
moilami wrote...
It is irrelevant if you don't think about how illogical it is.
Now Merril is not fully defined character. She is either ****** or hetero depending on your gender variable. That is your gender defines Merrill - unless she is bi-curious.
Have you considered Merrill just might be bi?
Easiest answer is usually the correct one.
Modifié par City6, 24 mars 2011 - 11:38 .
BobSmith101 wrote...
Merril has low self esteem. I'd find it creepy romancing her as a man.
So you're suggesting you wouldn't have recruited someone on your team JUST BECAUSE he or she is bisexual? Or if you're an employer IRL you wouldn't give someone a job JUST BECAUSE he or she is bisexual?BobSmith101 wrote...
JohnEpler wrote...
Once again, I feel it necessary to address the fact that I don't see the way we handle romances changing dramatically because of some people being uncomfortable with them. They are optional content, and it is rather easy to avoid them.
Is it a fair criticism to say that you did not feel that the romances offered were to your taste? Certainly. This is likely true of every game, and will remain true no matter what their orientation is. Some people just don't find anything to like in a particular personality type, and if they can't find someone that they do connect with, of course they'll feel a little shortchanged.
This is a vastly different argument from 'I feel uncomfortable that I was presented with same sex romance', however. The former is a matter of taste. The latter is a matter of believing that same sex romance must somehow be squirreled away, hidden from anyone who doesn't go to seek it. Some people are more forward than others - they initiate. I'm sure everyone here has gotten unwanted advances from one or both sexes before, regardless of their sexual preference.
If it's deemed appropriate for a particular character to attempt to initiate things, then they will intiiate things. This will undoubtedly make some people uncomfortable, and that's unfortunate, but this isn't an area that's likely to change for any reason other than 'it doesn't work mechanically/it doesn't make sense for the character'.
Is everyone is bi going to be the new Bioware benchmark ? Or just in DA ?
I don't really have any problem with this, but you should then give the character a number of ways to react, IE not bind the NPC to the story so that you are forced to take them along anyway.
Even better don't make any LI's integrel to the main story because that is the only way they can be ignored.
Captain Jazz wrote...
So because Merrill is not only interested in a male Hawke, the relationship is not a heterosexual one? Despite the male Hawke being male and Merrill being female? So... is that a gay relationship? I can't see how it could be a bi relationship unless... uh... Hermaphrodites?
Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 11:38 .
Modifié par Deadmac, 24 mars 2011 - 11:38 .
ReconTeam wrote...
You're challenges? I have answered all of your questions but you simply refuse to recognize that. You trash my beliefs, cliam you're morality is better, then deny it? You won't even stand by what you want, rather you just criticize what I want. Get off your high horse and look around, you're arrogant and refuse to compromise.
No you're the one who wants to be treated differently. That should be obvious by now. If Bioware were to include only straight romance options you would raise all hell, yet God-forbid that anybody doesn't want to see Bioware waste the effort to appeal to such self-centered consumers like yourself. You're just angry that not everybody thinks the same as you, and in that manner I am proud to ****** you off.
ReconTeam wrote...
You're challenges? I have answered all of your questions but you simply refuse to recognize that.
You trash my beliefs, cliam you're morality is better, then deny it? You won't even stand by what you want, rather you just criticize what I want. Get off your high horse and look around, you're arrogant and refuse to compromise.
No you're the one who wants to be treated differently. That should be obvious by now. If Bioware were to include only straight romance options you would raise all hell, yet God-forbid that anybody doesn't want to see Bioware waste the effort to appeal to such self-centered consumers like yourself. You're just angry that not everybody thinks the same as you, and in that manner I am proud to ****** you off.
Modifié par The Angry One, 24 mars 2011 - 11:39 .
BobSmith101 wrote...
Merril has low self esteem. I'd find it creepy romancing her as a man.
Russalka wrote...
And yet you avoid most of the valid arguments sent back at you and just decide to stand on the same old generalisation based on a few rotten apples and misunderstood messages. You ignore the clarifications that people do not in fact bash your religion and morals but criticise the hateful parts of it.
But I think I am starting to sound like you now. I am so bored.
So now you're the victim. *SIGH* Let me remind you that you were the one who was asking for a "no ******" button. Don't flip this on us, we never want(ed) a "no hetero" button or less heterosexual content. We just want to be recognized as an equal sexuality. You don't see that us getting rights doesn't threaten yours. You too are still able to have quality romance in this game with isabela and merril.ReconTeam wrote...
You're challenges? I have answered all of your questions but you simply refuse to recognize that. You trash my beliefs, cliam you're morality is better, then deny it? You won't even stand by what you want, rather you just criticize what I want. Get off your high horse and look around, you're arrogant and refuse to compromise.
No you're the one who wants to be treated differently. That should be obvious by now. If Bioware were to include only straight romance options you would raise all hell, yet God-forbid that anybody doesn't want to see Bioware waste the effort to appeal to such self-centered consumers like yourself. You're just angry that not everybody thinks the same as you, and in that manner I am proud to ****** you off.
Modifié par v_ware, 24 mars 2011 - 11:41 .
there are gay people in DAO, why would you assume there weren't in DA2?Deadmac wrote...
Even though I have strong belief systems against 'the act of homosexuality', I do not have a problem with the person themselves. If someone told me about this before I bought the game, the only person I have to blame is myself.
Its that simple.
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