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[catabuca]

This thread is as good a place as any to briefly pop in and say a very big thank you to the Dragon Age 2 team for including options in their game for all types of player.

I'll leave my gushing for the grace with which the team have replied to some of the unfortunate comments here and elsewhere for another time.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

It's not easy to avoid them with the faulty dialogue wheel design though. I'm not easily offended with such matters but the dialogue wheel does lead to some pretty easy flaws in the gameplay that end up with a character flirting or even shacking up with some NPCs. I laugh, shake my head and reload but some people who are offended by such things might be upset.

...Don't pick the giant glowing hearts. How is that "not easy"?

I don't know...sometimes my faith in human intelligence plummets. 

I mean...there's a massive goldenish heart. 

How do you miss that? 

Hey now, don't go around implying I am stupid, that isn't very nice. It lowers my faith in human benevolence.


DA 2, from portions I played, had alot of dialogue wheel ambiguities where characters reacted in bizarre ways that were not indicated either by icons or the sometimes inaccurate paraphrasing. I have also heard from other players of this. I have nothing against same sex romances between characters and was just trying to play devils advocate for people who might end up being forced into such scenarios where the dialogue wheel fails. Creating a strawman arguement out of misinterpretation and labeling me as stupid won't win your arguements for you and it's not very nice.

[moilami]

Captain Jazz wrote...

moilami wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

moilami wrote...

I
aks why you gay and bi people have to attack very aggressively on
heteros who has done nothing to you. You have done it to me, you did it
to OP here, and I have seen you doing it to other people too.

Can you please stop ad hominem attacks and focus on what the person has asked.

The OP asked for hetero romance. Why you begun to attack him?

My boyHawke is in a romance with Merrill.... so... how do you define hetero romance?

It would be something like Alistair & Femwarden. Consistent in all playthoughs. Merrill appears to be bi-curious?

So because Merrill is not only
interested in a male Hawke, the relationship is not a heterosexual
one? Despite the male Hawke being male and Merrill being female? So...
is that a gay relationship? I can't see how it could be a bi
relationship unless... uh... Hermaphrodites?

Relationship can naturally be hetero relationship if one is hetero and other one is bi-curious.



But if Merrill is in homosexual relationship and heterosexual relationship then Merrill is bi-curious.

Modifié par moilami, 24 mars 2011 - 11:42 .

[randName]

This thread is truly glorious.

& I love those that crawl to the cross of realism as an argument against this feature; you are playing a game. & almost nothing in it is even close to reality.

& thanks again BW for giving us all these options, and I like how well this is received on sites like Reddit and Kotaku.

[1Nosphorus1]

I think all of this could've been avoided, if the option was that Anders didn't gain rival points if you shot him down.

I'm fine with them being in the game, I don't use them myself but I must say that when Anders came on to me, I had the option of Flirt/Flirt/NO(+15 Rivalry).

If there were no Rivalry gain, I'd of been fine with this, it just narcked me a bit having to suffer for my orientation.

[Moondoggie]

snfonseka wrote...


What I think what BW has done is totally dumb. They should have introduced some characters as straight, some as bi and some as gay. It is more realistic than turning all the romance-companions into bi characters.  They should have approached this sexuality issue in more creative manner, where the sexuality is part of the characters' personality. For example, Merrill is straight and Isabela is bi.  Well..., BW you have done the character development in your past games in great manner, so don't try to dumb down the character development now.

Yes put a big badge on them with their sexuality on it just like we have in real life XD

What you are suggesting is ridiculous and terribly unrealistic unless they are totally obsessed with the fact they are gay no gay person introduces themselves as "hi i'm Dave and i'm gay so don't be nice to me" just in case they might flirt with you and upset you. Why can't you handle it in game like you would in real life? Or is it in real life you can't handle a guy finding you attractive so throw a massive hissy fit? Simple thing is to say "i'm not interested. Bioware kindly gives you this option too in game"

They simply opened up the romance options to stop people whining that they can;t romance somebody. Everyone can romance everyone now but it seems that it created a bit of upset for a few people who want to pick faults and bring their uncomfortable feelings about gay people to the surface.

[AkiKishi]

Galad22 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Merril has low self esteem. I'd find it creepy romancing her as a man.

Uh, what is your point here? I missed it.

Merrils lack of a defined sexuality makes sense in view of her low self esteem.
I feel like I'm taking advantage of her.

That better?

[John Epler]

Folks, a warning once again to cut out the insults and ad hominems. Some of you are very passionate about this issue, and that's understandable! However, let's try to stay civil. If you have a problem with how another poster has presented themselves, let a moderator know.

[The Angry One]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

It does seem that the male elf tries to ...push things on me. I personally dont like having to deal with things like that in my entertainment. Its not that Im homophobic, its the fact that as a straight male I dont like those type sexual advances being forced on me.

You're not talking about Fenris, unless you went and picked a heart option. He will never do so on his own.
If you're talking about that one male prostitute.. well yeah, he's a prostitute. It turns out if you walk into a brothel you may be uncomfortable.

[Blacklash93]

moilami wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

moilami wrote...

I aks why you gay and bi people have to attack very aggressively on heteros who has done nothing to you. You have done it to me, you did it to OP here, and I have seen you doing it to other people too.

Can you please stop ad hominem attacks and focus on what the person has asked.

The OP asked for hetero romance. Why you begun to attack him?

My boyHawke is in a romance with Merrill.... so... how do you define hetero romance?

It would be something like Alistair & Femwarden. Consistent in all playthoughs. Merrill appears to be bi-curious?

You're always getting a hetero romance if it's between two members of the opposite sex. It has nothing to do with orientation in itself.

What the crowd demanding "straight" romances want is exclusivity.

[Deadmac]

asindre wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Even though I have strong belief systems against 'the act of homosexuality', I do not have a problem with the person themselves. If someone told me about this before I bought the game, the only person I have to blame is myself.

Its that simple.

there are gay people in DAO, why would you assume there weren't in DA2?

When you play "Dragon Age: Origins", the sexuality of most of your characters can be easily resolved. Since I didn't do any research, I didn't know the content was in the game.

Also, I have yet to buy "Dragon Age II", for I wanted to get more information about the game. Now I know.

Modifié par Deadmac, 24 mars 2011 - 11:43 .

[Mad-Max90]

This thread should have been locked pages ago, not for the whole "great" debate but for the whole bashing of real religion. It has become very clear that if you bash the gay community bioware steps up but if you bash someone's set of beliefs and faith it's all okay. The church has made great strides the past decade to accommodate for others, so please stop bashing Christianity and any other religion.

[mesmerizedish]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

I think all of this could've been avoided, if the option was that Anders didn't gain rival points if you shot him down.

I'm fine with them being in the game, I don't use them myself but I must say that when Anders came on to me, I had the option of Flirt/Flirt/NO(+15 Rivalry).

If there were no Rivalry gain, I'd of been fine with this, it just narcked me a bit having to suffer for my orientation.

Rivalry points aren't a punishment. You're only "suffering" in your own mind.

Since some people don't recieve any standing change and some people recieve friendship points, my guess is that the rejection itself is not the chief determinant at work.

[Ryzaki]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

It does seem that the male elf tries to ...push things on me. I personally dont like having to deal with things like that in my entertainment. Its not that Im homophobic, its the fact that as a straight male I dont like those type sexual advances being forced on me.

No just no. 

Have you never had someone give you a compliment? Fen doesn't force anything on you (unless you mean Zev whose pretty much a male Isabela). 

You have the option to make it flirty, to accept it for the compliment it is, or to slam any romantic advancement with him. 

The latter two options doesn't result in you fliriting or initating a romance. 

You have to pick a nice BIG OL GOLDEN HEART to initate a romance scene. 

If you see said heart. Don't pick it. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 11:44 .

[Iwasdrunkbro]

I also dont appreciate the thread title as it suggests that anyone that is against homosexual entertainment being forced apon them is automatically homophobic..

[City6]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

It does seem that the male elf tries to ...push things on me. I personally dont like having to deal with things like that in my entertainment. Its not that Im homophobic, its the fact that as a straight male I dont like those type sexual advances being forced on me.

I haven't seen a single complaint from gay or female players that Isabella tries to look under your armour at every chance she gets. They just take it as inkeeping with her character.

Maybe they're just made of stronger stuff, and don't have gay-panic fits when someone they're not interested in pays them a compliment.

I'd guess that most of the people complaining are boys under 17, when some people feel they need to make their heterosexualty very well know, for fear of being thought of as gay.

[The Angry One]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

I think all of this could've been avoided, if the option was that Anders didn't gain rival points if you shot him down.

I'm fine with them being in the game, I don't use them myself but I must say that when Anders came on to me, I had the option of Flirt/Flirt/NO(+15 Rivalry).

If there were no Rivalry gain, I'd of been fine with this, it just narcked me a bit having to suffer for my orientation.

Rivalry points aren't a punishment. You're only "suffering" in your own mind.

Since some people don't recieve any standing change and some people recieve friendship points, my guess is that the rejection itself is not the chief determinant at work.

Perhaps it was a bad idea to make friendship blue and rivalry red. Some people seem hardcoded to believe that's a distinction between good and bad.

[John Epler]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

This thread should have been locked pages ago, not for the whole "great" debate but for the whole bashing of real religion. It has become very clear that if you bash the gay community bioware steps up but if you bash someone's set of beliefs and faith it's all okay. The church has made great strides the past decade to accommodate for others, so please stop bashing Christianity and any other religion.

Perhaps you missed my rather pointed warning a few pages ago to cut out the religion bashing.

It's okay! It's a rather fast-moving thread, so you could have quite easily have missed it.

[Blacklash93]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

I also dont appreciate the thread title as it suggests that anyone that is against homosexual entertainment being forced apon them is automatically homophobic..

That's the thing, it's not being forced on them.

[Kimaka]

moilami wrote...
Relationship can naturally be hetero relationship if one is hetero and other one is bi-curious.



But if Merrill is in homosexual relationship and heterosexual relationship then Merrill is bi-curious.

Merrill's sexuality would be bi not the relationship she is in. F!Hawke/Merrill homosexual relationship. M!Hawke/Merril heterosexual relationship.

[Captain Jazz]

Russalka wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
Your right I think the values most of my country still have are better than whatever you could offer. You hide behind words like "equality" and "justice" while demanding people treat you special, demanding society rewrite its laws and silence those voices of dissent. You think you are entitled to things even as minor as gay romances in a video game and those who don't agree should be punished. You trash Christianity and other religions as a whole and claim the moral high-ground when you have nothing but meaningless words to offer.

But Christianity trashes other people too, at least some criticism is welcome, right?

I do not get it, how is wanting the same treatment not "equal" and more on the "special" side?

Because equality is where some people get what they want and everyone else is forced to live with it... hoping to be shown any kind of respect is just racism. True story.

[The Angry One]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

I also dont appreciate the thread title as it suggests that anyone that is against homosexual entertainment being forced apon them is automatically homophobic..

The fact is though that "homosexual entertainment" is not being forced on anyone.
The only thing that is compulsory or that you have to notice at all is that it exists, and if you can't handle that then yes we have to question why.

[asindre]

ReconTeam wrote...
No you're the one who wants to be treated differently. That should be obvious by now. If Bioware were to include only straight romance options you would raise all hell, yet God-forbid that anybody doesn't want to see Bioware waste the effort to appeal to such self-centered consumers like yourself. You're just angry that not everybody thinks the same as you, and in that manner I am proud to ****** you off.

And if Bioware were to include only gay tomance options you would all raise hell, wait you already are even though they included both.
Yeah that's fair:pinched:

[Ryzaki]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

I also dont appreciate the thread title as it suggests that anyone that is against homosexual entertainment being forced apon them is automatically homophobic..

Which would be great and all but nothings forced on you. 

See that nice little broken heart icon? 

Use it. 

[Galad22]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Merrils lack of a defined sexuality makes sense in view of her low self esteem.
I feel like I'm taking advantage of her.

That better?

Ah, yes. I got your point now,