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[Ryzaki]

Straight romances are just as much "pandering" as gay romances are. They're just to different groups.

Oh noes. Fanservice. Whatever shall we do.

The world just might explode. I think the devs should take out *all* fanservice. Including all the attractive characters that are willing to sleep with the PC. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 mars 2011 - 12:40 .

[Maconbar]

Monsteroids wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

Well, I'm of the opinion that a giant glowing radish would be more helpful.  I mean I send my best friends text messages with hearts in them all of the time so maybe the people playing DA2 thought, "giant glowing heart, i guess that means I'm being extra friendly  Maybe this icon initiates a best friend relationship."  I can see how this could get confusing.

Bioware, here's my request....In the next game, implement giant glowing radishes.  That way no one will be confused because no one will expect a radish icon.  They're the new black after all!  This will in turn require gamers to stop, double take, and then look at the little booklet in order to understand the mystery that is the giant GLOWING radish. Doing this will aid the unwilling in their quest to avoid the "horror" of a same sex romance.  >.<

I suggest Beets, or Strawberries. Radishes are for if you want to turn them down.

Sounds like someone should post a poll:

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

[Monsteroids]

How about a Rose?
Or a bloody beating heart!? >

[solstickan]

[quote]ReconTeam wrote...
What is so wrong with the ability to choose your sexuality at the start of the game again?[quote]

Even if you could do this, Anders would still be making a move on you, because he is lonely and needy and do not yet know that you are not into that sort of thing. Something you will politely have to tell him. And then he won't bother you again. 

EDIT: Holy crap what is wrong with you format?!??!

Modifié par solstickan, 25 mars 2011 - 12:43 .

[termokanden]

Maconbar wrote...

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

[Captain Crash]

ReconTeam wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Okay, well, that's your issue, because it's a point that the devs have addressed several times. And you still didn't answer the point.

Cold comfort when they could come up with some equally absurd scenario for everybody being bisexual in future games, just to pander to a very outspoken minority who now is offended when they don't see such content.

How can someones sexuality be absurd?  Gaming is universal and for everyone, its nice to see developers beginning to cater to every audience and allow more freedom of choice.   That the big word Choice!   You choose the direction you want to take and you dont have to do it.   If you feel awkward thats your own doing not the games.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 25 mars 2011 - 12:47 .

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

Not just that, but you had similar scenarios in DA:O with Zevran and the brothel in Denarim.

So in fact DA2 is better for you, isn't it? Quit complaining.

What is so wrong with the ability to choose your sexuality at the start of the game again?

As has already been stated, your sexuality does not make everyone in the world automatically know it.
Unless you propose going around with a sign that says "STRAIGHT". You could hit Anders with it.

Sure they do, whatever helps you sleep at night ma'am.

I have no troubles, unlike some.

Nothing but the entire scenario is extremely unlikely and seems to have been tacked for all of the characters but Isabella.

It's a scenario you don't even have to acknowledge exists for two of the characters.

Isabella was like that in DA:O.

So what? It's okay if they appeared in DA:O?
Does that mean Zevran can join the party and constantly hit on you? Doing far more than Anders would ever?

Yeah, much of Thedas does instead.

Protip: Don't go into a brothel and expect to not be hit on. It's kinda what they're for.

[AkiKishi]

Maconbar wrote...

Monsteroids wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

Well, I'm of the opinion that a giant glowing radish would be more helpful.  I mean I send my best friends text messages with hearts in them all of the time so maybe the people playing DA2 thought, "giant glowing heart, i guess that means I'm being extra friendly  Maybe this icon initiates a best friend relationship."  I can see how this could get confusing.

Bioware, here's my request....In the next game, implement giant glowing radishes.  That way no one will be confused because no one will expect a radish icon.  They're the new black after all!  This will in turn require gamers to stop, double take, and then look at the little booklet in order to understand the mystery that is the giant GLOWING radish. Doing this will aid the unwilling in their quest to avoid the "horror" of a same sex romance.  >.<

I suggest Beets, or Strawberries. Radishes are for if you want to turn them down.

Sounds like someone should post a poll:

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

Actually a male or female symbol with an X through it would be less open to interpretation than a heart. Not everone reads manuals.

[Inquisitor Recon]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Has it ever occurred to you that it's not pandering? That, maybe, the writers and other developers actually think that it's important to include s/s content?

It makes no sense from a business standpoint but I could buy that Gaider and co. might be that umm... crazy. Of course then you could argue why isn't it important for them to include content for *insert group here*.

However will we have to deal with similarly unlikely scenarios in all future Bioware games?

[Onyx Jaguar]

mrsph wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Oh noes. Fanservice. Whatever shall we do.

TYPE IN ALL CAPS WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!(MORE THAN THREE IS SUPER SERIOUS!!!!)

LOUD NOISES!!!!!

[Speakeasy13]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blastback wrote...
If they do it, it will be because the devs a Bioware want to, not to "pander to minorities"

It will be because they wanted to pander to such a minority. After all they can just presume the majority will buy it anyway.

So if they include all the options that the majority wants, it should be taken for granted; But if they so much as include options for the minority, then the minority gets 'special treatment'. Why shouldn't the minority gets exactly what the majority gets?

I mean, you don't see gay people complaining about there being straight romance in the game hence ruining their experience. Why should you?

And if you do complain, it IS based on the idea that you deserve more than them b'cuz you are one of the majority. It's not about what you want, it's about not giving others what they want.

[Onyx Jaguar]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Monsteroids wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

Well, I'm of the opinion that a giant glowing radish would be more helpful.  I mean I send my best friends text messages with hearts in them all of the time so maybe the people playing DA2 thought, "giant glowing heart, i guess that means I'm being extra friendly  Maybe this icon initiates a best friend relationship."  I can see how this could get confusing.

Bioware, here's my request....In the next game, implement giant glowing radishes.  That way no one will be confused because no one will expect a radish icon.  They're the new black after all!  This will in turn require gamers to stop, double take, and then look at the little booklet in order to understand the mystery that is the giant GLOWING radish. Doing this will aid the unwilling in their quest to avoid the "horror" of a same sex romance.  >.<

I suggest Beets, or Strawberries. Radishes are for if you want to turn them down.

Sounds like someone should post a poll:

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

Actually a male or female symbol with an X through it would be less open to interpretation than a heart. Not everone reads manuals.

Wait why would that be less open to interpretation?

[John Epler]

termokanden wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Fact. Bears eat beets.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 25 mars 2011 - 12:43 .

[Ryzaki]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Monsteroids wrote...

Village Idiot wrote...

Well, I'm of the opinion that a giant glowing radish would be more helpful.  I mean I send my best friends text messages with hearts in them all of the time so maybe the people playing DA2 thought, "giant glowing heart, i guess that means I'm being extra friendly  Maybe this icon initiates a best friend relationship."  I can see how this could get confusing.

Bioware, here's my request....In the next game, implement giant glowing radishes.  That way no one will be confused because no one will expect a radish icon.  They're the new black after all!  This will in turn require gamers to stop, double take, and then look at the little booklet in order to understand the mystery that is the giant GLOWING radish. Doing this will aid the unwilling in their quest to avoid the "horror" of a same sex romance.  >.<

I suggest Beets, or Strawberries. Radishes are for if you want to turn them down.

Sounds like someone should post a poll:

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

Actually a male or female symbol with an X through it would be less open to interpretation than a heart. Not everone reads manuals.

I'm pretty sure if they don't understand this: <3 A male/female symbol will be utterly lost on them. 

I mean...I understand a heart icon was love from playing pokemon when I was six. I didn't understand the male female icons till I was 8.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 mars 2011 - 12:44 .

[mesmerizedish]

termokanden wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

You are my new favorite*.




*Not my favorite favorite. But you know what I mean.

[Blastback]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Okay, well, that's your issue, because it's a point that the devs have addressed several times. And you still didn't answer the point.

Cold comfort when they could come up with some equally absurd scenario for everybody being bisexual in future games, just to pander to a very outspoken minority who now is offended when they don't see such content.

I've never said I'd be offended by the lack of such content in the future. Don't treat me as though I've said everything that everyone's said.

Has it ever occurred to you that it's not pandering? That, maybe, the writers and other developers actually think that it's important to include s/s content?

Or just fits the characters.  Isabella is obviously rather sexually liberated.  Merrill is insecure and falls for the first person besides the keeper to show that they really care for her.  Fenris can fall for the first person he's had a reall connection with since he escaped.  Anders being bi worked fine with his personality.  As in, it felt totally organic and not forced or tacked on.

Also, I just came to find some Turnips I swear!

Modifié par Blastback, 25 mars 2011 - 12:44 .

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Has it ever occurred to you that it's not pandering? That, maybe, the writers and other developers actually think that it's important to include s/s content?

It makes no sense from a business standpoint but I could buy that Gaider and co. might be that umm... crazy. Of course then you could argue why isn't it important for them to include content for *insert group here*.

However will we have to deal with similarly unlikely scenarios in all future Bioware games?

Yes it makes no sense from a business stand point.
Absolutely no one who is interested in this content has money and buys videogames.

[Merci357]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blastback wrote...
If they do it, it will be because the devs a Bioware want to, not to "pander to minorities"

It will be because they wanted to pander to such a minority. After all they can just presume the majority will buy it anyway.

After all they presume the minority they make happy with this decission is larger then the minority who is upset about it. It's simple math. Especially if you realise, let's say by reading this thread, that quite a few "straight" people enjoy this content as well. And the vast majority doesn't bother anyway, one way or the other.
Frankly, this game has other issues that deserve attention.

[NeroSparda]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Oh noes. Fanservice. Whatever shall we do.

TYPE IN ALL CAPS WITH LOTS OF EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!(MORE THAN THREE IS SUPER SERIOUS!!!!)

LOUD NOISES!!!!!

CRYSIS 2!!!!!!!! (double seriousness for more than six!)

[AkiKishi]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Wait why would that be less open to interpretation?

Because hearts can be taken as just more friendly rather than sexual. You can't really mistake the sexual symbols for male and female with an X through it as anything else.

[John Epler]

ReconTeam wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Has it ever occurred to you that it's not pandering? That, maybe, the writers and other developers actually think that it's important to include s/s content?

It makes no sense from a business standpoint but I could buy that Gaider and co. might be that umm... crazy. Of course then you could argue why isn't it important for them to include content for *insert group here*.

However will we have to deal with similarly unlikely scenarios in all future Bioware games?

Not every decision is strictly a business decision. We are not managing a hedge fund here.

Deciding to be inclusive rather than exclusive could have positive business implications, of course, but I would be very careful to suggest that such a motivation is the only reasonable one.

[Captain Jazz]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blastback wrote...
If they do it, it will be because the devs a Bioware want to, not to "pander to minorities"

It will be because they wanted to pander to such a minority. After all they can just presume the majority will buy it anyway.

Speaking as a member of the majority in all cases except one, which is not sexuality, this is not pandering to minorities, it is pandering to people who want immersive games to have representations of as many kinds of people as possible for immersive reasons. As far as sexuality goes it is simpler to have a small number of bi LI options than a very large number of each persuasion and a button to remove certain characters from existence.
Honestly, my experience says that the vocal minority are those who are freaked out by teh ghey. I'm sorry, but your time of ruling the world and insulating yourselves from reality is ending.

[Tirigon]

Wow 27 pages in 6 hours, epic....
Also:

termokanden wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

Beer. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Fix´d

[Blastback]

JohnEpler wrote...

termokanden wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Beets?
Strawberries?
Turnips?

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Fact. Bears eat beets.

But they don't eat sauerkraut.  True story.  A black bear raided a cabin, and ate every scrap of food in the house.  Except for like four cans of sauerkraut, which it refused to touch.

Bears and Weird Al agree.