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[Dark83]

I'd like to point out something for those claiming it is "unrealistic".

Isabela is obviously bisexual. Her interest in Hawke is carnal.

Anders is part of a group of highly oppressed people kept in confinement. Are we really surprised at his leanings? Further, he reveals something to you that would make anyone else run screaming. Hawke doesn't have much of an issue with it, and continues to associate with him. His interest isn't because you're male or female, it's because of how you treated him.

Merrill is a pariah among her people, and had no friends. Hawke befriends her, is her first house guest, and sees her through her goals. Her interest in Hawke isn't because you're male or female, it's because you actually visited her and pursued her. She's a sad, lonely little puppy.

Fenris is a slave who's never had a relationship, or even friendship. As a slave he killed the first of those who befriended him. On escape, he's never stopped running, or relied on anyone. He trusts you, and relies on you. There is a bond of brothers in arms that initially develops, regardless of anything else. His interest in you is again from you pursuing him - his first real social contact in a really long time.

For most of them, your sex has little to do with gender - the context for the romances seem rather fine to me. The only one that's purely a courting thing is Isabela, the rest all are vulnerable in one way or the other, and Hawke just happens to fill their void.

(Um, that last sentance sounded dirtier than what I meant, but whatever.)

Użytkownik Dark83 edytował ten post 24 marzec 2011 - 08:34

[Kidd]

What I don't get is this... people say that characters should be "real people". This is the main complaint behind why it's bad that everyone has a sexuality that differs depending on the player character's gender. But you can't complain and say characters should be "real people" and then throw a tantrum when your character is hit on by someone of a gender your character doesn't appreciate. The character is attracted to you, of course they will hit on you. That's how people act.

Moreover, I don't see what's wrong with my Anders being straight while another's Anders is gay. It's called giving the player options. Similarly, when I'm the story teller in a PnP game, I will try to allow my players options. If I notice one of the male characters have an intent to bang the princess, I'll try to make her bangable even if that wasn't my initial plan. I will likely not throw her out there on a silver platter, but I will make her bangable if the character can succeed in certain challenges. The game is designed for my players after all, not for me.

But yeah, that's just how I feel about rpg game design, I guess.

[Galad22]

I really thought I couldn't defend DA2 on any front. But I do have to in this.

I seriously can't fathom people who have such a problem about this.

[shumworld]

It confuses me how in ME discussion boards there's a demand for some characters to be bysexual yet in the DA boards there's a demand for heterosexuality.

The internet is weird.

Użytkownik shumworld edytował ten post 24 marzec 2011 - 08:34

[demodar]

I would like to say just passing this post i didn't really clicked the romance option for the male chars and they never hit on me if i didn't hit on them. So this guy have been looking around the homosexual options and now he whines how bad it was that some other guy told him how good he looks.
If you don't want to see it don't go in the romance.
If someone offers you chocolate and you don't like chocolate you don't eat it

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
I have yet to hear why it's needed.

Because people want it just like you wanted gay LI options to begin with. Simple isn't it?

And yet again. You already have the option to not engage in a homosexual relationship by saying no.
So again, why is it needed unless you simply can't stand the idea?

[v_ware]

ReconTeam wrote...

We think we are superior? Talk about hypocrisy... You really want to turn this into an argument about morality? It will get locked incredibly fast. Needless to say you can't prove your views on morality are right, mine are wrong, and vice-versa.

And I think I threw up in my mouth at the LOVE=LOVE thing. The real world isn't some '60s hippie communie ya know.

You are quite the handfull. 

And I know the "real world isn't some '60s hippie communie ya know." That's exactly why it's so pretty when love does happen.

Artoz96 wrote...
There are no 2 equal items in this world.  Love=Love=FALSE.  Love can bevery different and while for some it is good for others it can be dreadfull.

Love is a very broadly used term. Love between a man and a man might be different from the love between a man and a woman but it's still love. Love between a man and a woman might be different from the love between another man and a woman but it's still love.

Artoz96 wrote...
And also Homosexuality = bisexuality = heterosexuality=FALSE.  All things are different. For example you and I humans but it doesnt mean that there is no difference between us.

Sexuality is sexuality. Acts that have the goal, or lead up to sex.

Artoz96 wrote...
And if I could I would vote for no homosexuality  button in my game. It was really NOT pleasant to me when Anders started his dialoge... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Yes cry because a fictitious guy hit on you. Was it terrifying? Do you need a cookie and a blankie?

Użytkownik v_ware edytował ten post 24 marzec 2011 - 08:42

[shumworld]

demodar wrote...

I would like to say just passing this post i didn't really clicked the romance option for the male chars and they never hit on me if i didn't hit on them. So this guy have been looking around the homosexual options and now he whines how bad it was that some other guy told him how good he looks.
If you don't want to see it don't go in the romance.
If someone offers you chocolate and you don't like chocolate you don't eat it

I remember in DA:O Zevran asked was it okay for him to fancy me. I told him it's okay, but understand I'm not that kind of guy. It's as simple as that.

[The Angry One]

Dark83 wrote...

I'd like to point out something for those claiming it is "unrealistic".

Isabela is obviously bisexual. Her interest in Hawke is carnal.

Anders is part of a group of highly oppressed people kept in confinement. Are we really surprised at his leanings? Further, he reveals something to you that would make anyone else run screaming. Hawke doesn't have much of an issue with it, and continues to associate with him. His interest isn't because you're male or female, it's because of how you treated him.

Merrill is a pariah among her people, and had no friends. Hawke befriends her, is her first house guest, and sees her through her goals. Her interest in Hawke isn't because you're male or female, it's because you actually visited her and pursued her. She's a sad, lonely little puppy.

Fenris is a slave who's never had a relationship, or even friendship. As a slave he killed the first of those who befriended him. On escape, he's never stopped running, or relied on anyone. He trusts you, and relies on you. There is a bond of brothers in arms that initially develops, regardless of anything else. His interest in you is again from you pursuing him - his first real social contact in a really long time.

For most of them, your sex has little to do with gender - the context for the romances seem rather fine to me. The only one that's purely a courting thing is Isabela, the rest all are vulnerable in one way or the other, and Hawke just happens to fill their void.

(Um, that last sentance sounded dirtier than what I meant, but whatever.)

Indeed. This is a point people miss. These are people who find themselves in need of a companion and find one in Hawke. Their histories make it so that gender doesn't matter. They simply want someone to love and find it in Hawke depending on your decisions.

And to people complaining about Anders seeming pushy.. hey guess what, THAT is his personality. He is the most needy of the group.

[Bathead]

Considering this an argument about fictional chartacters in a game whose behavior varies according to how you play the game, this is a stupid argument. Nobody is forcing anything on anybody.

[John Epler]

Let me jump in now and give a general warning that, given the tone of the last few threads discussing this issue, this one is going to be monitored very, very carefully. Homophobia and throwing slurs against those who are of a different sexual orientation than you is not acceptable.

At the same time, let's try to avoid the insults from the other side of the fence. If someone is espousing an opinion you find particularly offensive, let a moderator know. Every PM I get, I'm notified via my e-mail inbox and I will see it almost right away.

Let's try to keep this civil and constructive. If it starts to get out of hand, it will be locked, and warnings/bans will be handed out.

[Dark83]

shumworld wrote...

It confuses me how in ME discussion boards there's a demand for some characters to be bysexual yet in the DA boards there's a demand for heterosexuality.

Sexy aliens make everything better.

[CRISIS1717]

shumworld wrote...

It confuses me how in ME discussion boards there's a demand for some characters to be bysexual yet in the DA boards there's a demand for heterosexuality.

The internet is weird.

I'm not arguing for heterosexuality, I just think it makes more sense to base a characters sexual preferences on the way they are characterised. For example in Mass Effect Ashley is straight, is it homophobic that she is characterised as a straight woman? I personally don't think so. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
And yet again. You already have the option to not engage in a homosexual relationship by saying no.
So again, why is it needed unless you simply can't stand the idea?

Why were gay LI options needed in the first place? They weren't. Yet you got them so why are you so offended by more options for players who don't want this sort of thing?

[v_ware]

ReconTeam wrote...

We think we are superior? Talk about hypocrisy... You really want to turn this into an argument about morality? It will get locked incredibly fast. Needless to say you can't prove your views on morality are right, mine are wrong, and vice-versa.

And I think I threw up in my mouth at the LOVE=LOVE thing. The real world isn't some '60s hippie communie ya know.

You are quite the handfull.

And I know the "real world isn't some '60s hippie communie ya know." That's exactly why it's so pretty when love does happen.

Artoz96 wrote...
There are no 2 equal items in this world. Love=Love=FALSE. Love can bevery different and while for some it is good for others it can be dreadfull.

Love is a very broadly used term. Love between a man and a man might be different from the love between a man and a woman but it's still love. Love between a man and a woman might be different from the love between another man and a woman but it's still love.

Artoz96 wrote...
And also Homosexuality = bisexuality = heterosexuality=FALSE. All things are different. For example you and I humans but it doesnt mean that there is no difference between us.

Sexuality is sexuality. Acts that have the goal, or lead up to sex.

Artoz96 wrote...
And if I could I would vote for no homosexuality button in my game. It was really NOT pleasant to me when Anders started his dialoge...

Yes cry because a fictitious guy hit on you. Was it terrifying? Do you need a cookie and a blankie?

Użytkownik v_ware edytował ten post 24 marzec 2011 - 08:46

[Inquisitor Recon]

v_ware wrote...
That's exactly why it's so pretty when love does happen.

Threw up in my mouth again. Can we get arguments for this stuff not based on emotional dribble?

[Xerin]

Hatchetman77 wrote...
In Ancient Greece for example, it was ok for two men to have sex, but it was frowned upon if one male was seen as submissive in the relationship (they both had to me aggressive manly men for the relationship to be ok).   

Minor point, but this is actually incorrect. While it's true that sex between two men was popular in Sparta, the more common model was pederasty (pairing an older Greek man with a pubescent boy as part of the social ordering system).

[demodar]

Basically you ppls are offended by the fact that the OPTION (yes its option coz its optional none makes you do it , it depends on you how you will continue) exists .And if there is no option this is the way it is . Many people can demand things but as life teaches us the hard way it doesn't work and sometimes we have just to accept things as they are

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
And yet again. You already have the option to not engage in a homosexual relationship by saying no.
So again, why is it needed unless you simply can't stand the idea?

Why were gay LI options needed in the first place? They weren't. Yet you got them so why are you so offended by more options for players who don't want this sort of thing?

You're going around in circles and missing my point.
YOU HAVE THE OPTION. YOU CAN REJECT THEM. THERE WILL BE NO ROMANCE.

[v_ware]

ReconTeam wrote...

v_ware wrote...
That's exactly why it's so pretty when love does happen.

Threw up in my mouth again. Can we get arguments for this stuff not based on emotional dribble?

And hate is not an emotion?

[Pious_Augustus]

JohnEpler wrote...

Let me jump in now and give a general warning that, given the tone of the last few threads discussing this issue, this one is going to be monitored very, very carefully. Homophobia and throwing slurs against those who are of a different sexual orientation than you is not acceptable.

At the same time, let's try to avoid the insults from the other side of the fence. If someone is espousing an opinion you find particularly offensive, let a moderator know. Every PM I get, I'm notified via my e-mail inbox and I will see it almost right away.

Let's try to keep this civil and constructive. If it starts to get out of hand, it will be locked, and warnings/bans will be handed out.

So basically if we are against you or don't want what you want we are bad? This is the problem a lot of people are having with Dragon Age 2 in general. I had this problem the first week and mentioned this same issue and I feel I shouldn't be penalized because I don't like men. Is Bioware forcing us to get on our knees literally and embrace this? 

Thats how we feel Dragon Age I you almost had to fight to keep your character Zev so he doesn't betray you.  

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
YOU HAVE THE OPTION. YOU CAN REJECT THEM. THERE WILL BE NO ROMANCE.

According to yourself more options = improvement. So wouldn't allowing more options for players who don't want to deal with this stuff be an improvement?

[Wulfram]

It's a sensible way of making efficient use of resources, even if it's statistically unlikely

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
YOU HAVE THE OPTION. YOU CAN REJECT THEM. THERE WILL BE NO ROMANCE.

According to yourself more options = improvement. So wouldn't allowing more options for players who don't want to deal with this stuff be an improvement?

Because You. Already. Have. The. Option.
You want realism? Guess what, in real life you don't have the right to not be exposed to every single thing that offends you.