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[Tirigon]

Pacifien wrote...

Rival's aren't supposed to be your trusthworthy friend. They aren't supposed to be your enemy either. What would have called then?

I admit, it´s tricky.

Personally I must say, I much preferred the DAO approach here where rivals would not be "another kind of good", so to speak, but actually dislike you and possibly even turn on you.

This rivalry business seeemed a bit stupid to me, especially in the case of rival romances. I was like WTF when I heard about that....

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

wulfsturm wrote...

This thread needs more heterosexuality in it.

You must have come here by mistake.

[wulfsturm]

Tirigon wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

This thread needs more heterosexuality in it.

Ah, yes.  Of course.....

What? Someone has to advocate for us heteros. This is a position one is born and bred for, and I bear this terrible weight upon my mantle proudly. We will not go silently into the night! Swords and sheaths for all!

[Sabariel]

Pious_Augustus wrote...
No thats not optional if reject him you lose points

Problem solved:

However, if you don't want rivlary points (not a big deal anyway since you can gain friend points back pretty easily) pick the "neutral heart" (middle slot). Don't pick any hearts after that. I've done this with both a female and male Hawke. No rivalry gain, no ghey  relationship will happen. Both female and male Hawke were friends with Anders.  Get out the confetti and balloons.

[Tirigon]

wulfsturm wrote...


What? Someone has to advocate for us heteros. This is a position one is born and bred for, and I bear this terrible weight upon my mantle proudly. We will not go silently into the night! Swords and sheaths for all!

Noone is attacking your heterosexuality with S/S romances.

You can simply ignore them, or you might even roleplay something that is contrary to your real life character (which can, imo, be great fun, though it´s hard).

[Rasanaa]

I actually like the way the romances played out.

The companions orientation/romance dialogue was based on the gender you had chosen as a player. I played a female the first time through and Fenril and Anders did not come off as bisexual at all. Heterosexual yes. Isabella? I knew she swung both ways from some of her comments almost immediately. Merrill? I couldn't tell - she was so innocent and cute I didn't know if she was a romance option at all...so, of course, she was the one I tried to pursue on my first playthrough.

Second one was as male, and that's where I noticed how Anders changed quite a bit and I could tell he was gay. Fenris.....couldn't really tell until later. Isabella and Merrill remained the same, and I think that was a decision made by the writers due to both personalities.

I like the freedom in the romances, so no matter your tastes, there is an option if you want to pursue it.

About the complaints of companions hitting on same-sex players....really? You can't be that insecure, right? Its a game. Get over it. And to go through your entire life without being flirted with (even lightly) by a same sex person that you just met or have known for a bit? Really? Its going to happen unless you live in a cave. Just take it as a compliment and move on. Same thing in the game. They are interested in you. Smile and move on.

I totally agree with Bioware and Gaider. There is no reason to cater to the "Straight Male Gamer" when the game has options for everyone. One group, just because they are the majority, does not have any more special rights over the minorities, or deserves something "more". This speaks to a lot of things in life.

[Pious_Augustus]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Once again, I feel it necessary to address the fact that I don't see the way we handle romances changing dramatically because of some people being uncomfortable with them. They are optional content, and it is rather easy to avoid them.

Is it a fair criticism to say that you did not feel that the romances offered were to your taste? Certainly. This is likely true of every game, and will remain true no matter what their orientation is. Some people just don't find anything to like in a particular personality type, and if they can't find someone that they do connect with, of course they'll feel a little shortchanged.

This is a vastly different argument from 'I feel uncomfortable that I was presented with same sex romance', however. The former is a matter of taste. The latter is a matter of believing that same sex romance must somehow be squirreled away, hidden from anyone who doesn't go to seek it. Some people are more forward than others - they initiate. I'm sure everyone here has gotten unwanted advances from one or both sexes before, regardless of their sexual preference.

If it's deemed appropriate for a particular character to attempt to initiate things, then they will intiiate things. This will undoubtedly make some people uncomfortable, and that's unfortunate, but this isn't an area that's likely to change for any reason other than 'it doesn't work mechanically/it doesn't make sense for the character'.

No thats not optional if reject him you lose points

Maybe I just have selective amnesia, but I don't remember losing points when I rejected him... perhaps you're just taking the wrong rejective option? I think there are four options to choose from at that line?

Did you roll a female and reject him or roll male and reject him? From what I understand Anders and others makes it hard to romance when your doing it straight

[Saphara]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Once again, I feel it necessary to address the fact that I don't see the way we handle romances changing dramatically because of some people being uncomfortable with them. They are optional content, and it is rather easy to avoid them.

Is it a fair criticism to say that you did not feel that the romances offered were to your taste? Certainly. This is likely true of every game, and will remain true no matter what their orientation is. Some people just don't find anything to like in a particular personality type, and if they can't find someone that they do connect with, of course they'll feel a little shortchanged.

This is a vastly different argument from 'I feel uncomfortable that I was presented with same sex romance', however. The former is a matter of taste. The latter is a matter of believing that same sex romance must somehow be squirreled away, hidden from anyone who doesn't go to seek it. Some people are more forward than others - they initiate. I'm sure everyone here has gotten unwanted advances from one or both sexes before, regardless of their sexual preference.

If it's deemed appropriate for a particular character to attempt to initiate things, then they will intiiate things. This will undoubtedly make some people uncomfortable, and that's unfortunate, but this isn't an area that's likely to change for any reason other than 'it doesn't work mechanically/it doesn't make sense for the character'.

No thats not optional if reject him you lose points

Maybe I just have selective amnesia, but I don't remember losing points when I rejected him... perhaps you're just taking the wrong rejective option? I think there are four options to choose from at that line?

Did you roll a female and reject him or roll male and reject him? From what I understand Anders and others makes it hard to romance when your doing it straight

It's not hard. You just end up sounding like an ass ( i blame the writers for that one). And its only that one time. Otherwise, it's all puppies and roses and you can still max Anders friendship.

[F-C]

you know there is an easy way to end all of this controversy... and im sure im not so brilliant as to be the first to think of it.

they could simply place a "sexual preference" selection on character creation and the game only confronts you with romance options of your preference.

everyone is happy, no controversy.


however something so simple must have been thought of ages ago, so i can only assume they believe the controversy is good for sales.

>.>

[WhiteKnyght]

F-C wrote...


you know there is an easy way to end all of this controversy... and im sure im not so brilliant as to be the first to think of it.

they could simply place a "sexual preference" selection on character creation and the game only confronts you with romance options of your preference.

everyone is happy, no controversy.


however something so simple must have been thought of ages ago, so i can only assume they believe the controversy is good for sales.

>.>

Thats what a lot of this thing started over. A phobe ranting and wanting that same thing.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 25 mars 2011 - 02:18 .

[wulfsturm]

Tirigon wrote...

Noone is attacking your heterosexuality with S/S romances.

You can simply ignore them, or you might even roleplay something that is contrary to your real life character (which can, imo, be great fun, though it´s hard).

No! Homosexuality is an abomination that has been foisted upon us by the Liberal Agenda™. I ask you, who would willingly become gay and cause shuch evil? The Devil and his minions are slowly taking over, one hair flip at a time! The Apocolpyse is coming, and all that are lacking shall be judged with great discrimination!

Repent now your sinful ways, the end is nigh!

[Captain Jazz]

wulfsturm wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

This thread needs more heterosexuality in it.

Ah, yes.  Of course.....

What? Someone has to advocate for us heteros. This is a position one is born and bred for, and I bear this terrible weight upon my mantle proudly. We will not go silently into the night! Swords and sheaths for all!

I accept your sword of heterosexual might, but I stand by homosexual bretheren. To do otherwise would be the greater betrayal.

[Pacifien]

Sarcasm is not going to fly in this thread because sarcasm does not translate well over the internet. Be mindful of your words.

[mesmerizedish]

wulfsturm wrote...

No! Homosexuality is an abomination that has been foisted upon us by the Liberal Agenda™. I ask you, who would willingly become gay and cause shuch evil? The Devil and his minions are slowly taking over, one hair flip at a time! The Apocolpyse is coming, and all that are lacking shall be judged with great discrimination!

Repent now your sinful ways, the end is nigh!

I still miss Lizard, but you're helping

[wulfsturm]

Pacifien wrote...

Sarcasm is not going to fly in this thread because sarcasm does not translate well over the internet. Be mindful of your words.

What about Obvious Sarcasm™? I'm trying to master its many nuances you see. Also, the green is kind of hard to look at. Have you tried fuscha?

I'll show my self out now.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 25 mars 2011 - 02:24 .

[1Nosphorus1]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Lin_Pleto1 wrote...

Just once more with feeling!

Thank you Dragon age team, thank you BioWare and thank you David Gaider for being so open minded and true.

I really don't understand this forum

damn thing is like trying to navigate some trenches, however you think you are near the enemies lines, but you end up stepping on a card game that is being played by a couple of British officers.  Hard to feel comfortable in this combat

Are you trying to imply that all Britons enjoy playing card games?? That, sir, is racism! I demand that you take it back!

*puts down deck of cards*

BAN HIM I SAY!

[mesmerizedish]

wulfsturm wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Sarcasm is not going to fly in this thread because sarcasm does not translate well over the internet. Be mindful of your words.

What about Obvious Sarcasm™? I'm trying to master its many nuances you see. Also, the green is kind of hard to see. Have you tried fuscha?

In my experience, no sarcasm is universally obvious unless employed by a user whose handle begins with the words "My Avatar Is A..."

[Captain Jazz]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Lin_Pleto1 wrote...

Just once more with feeling!

Thank you Dragon age team, thank you BioWare and thank you David Gaider for being so open minded and true.

I really don't understand this forum

damn thing is like trying to navigate some trenches, however you think you are near the enemies lines, but you end up stepping on a card game that is being played by a couple of British officers.  Hard to feel comfortable in this combat

Are you trying to imply that all Britons enjoy playing card games?? That, sir, is racism! I demand that you take it back!

*puts down deck of cards*

BAN HIM I SAY!

SHAAAAAAAAAME!
... I say, I that a deck I spy? Who's for a game of gin rummy?

[Captain Jazz]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Sarcasm is not going to fly in this thread because sarcasm does not translate well over the internet. Be mindful of your words.

What about Obvious Sarcasm™? I'm trying to master its many nuances you see. Also, the green is kind of hard to see. Have you tried fuscha?

In my experience, no sarcasm is universally obvious unless employed by a user whose handle begins with the words "My Avatar Is A..."

The ™'s and general sentence structure are at least helpfully suggestive of a degree of lulz. But it is possible to miss even these when skimming or still growling from the last comment...

[Pacifien]

If your intent is to just be off topic, take it elsewhere. I'm not sure how many times I have to come into a thread and remind people to keep their discussion on topic. So here's my all encompassing do not bicker, don't contribute spam, be civil to each other, stay on topic warning. I don't want to give it again and shouldn't have to.

[WhiteKnyght]

Pacifien wrote...

Sarcasm is not going to fly in this thread because sarcasm does not translate well over the internet. Be mindful of your words.

Cant you just close this topic? Its morphing into Round 3 of that debacle thats been going on this week.

[Pacifien]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Sarcasm is not going to fly in this thread because sarcasm does not translate well over the internet. Be mindful of your words.

Cant you just close this topic? Its morphing into Round 3 of that debacle thats been going on this week.

If you want a moderator to consider closing a thread because the subject matter or behavior of the posts is inappropriate, you need to send them a PM about it.

If you're done with the discussion of this thread, you can now move on to other threads. If everyone is done with the discussion of this thread, it will die on its own. I shouldn't have to decree thread over and lock it.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Do I mind straight romances? No.

Do I mind gay romances? No.

Do I mind bi romances? No.

Do I think characters are more compelling if they have a specific orientation that doesn't always align with the PC's? An orientation that could be shared, discussed, challenged, changed or be an interesting backstory/persona point?

Hell yes.

I think the way DA2 did it wasn't optimal from an RP perspective, but people clamoured for Bioware to have future LIs available regardless of gender...and apparently they got their wish. So congratulations, I guess.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 25 mars 2011 - 02:39 .

[Fhaileas]

Pacifien wrote...

If your intent is to just be off topic, take it elsewhere. I'm not sure how many times I have to come into a thread and remind people to keep their discussion on topic. So here's my all encompassing do not bicker, don't contribute spam, be civil to each other, stay on topic warning. I don't want to give it again and shouldn't have to.

Would it be possible for you to change the color of your textual warnings? I'm photosensitive and the green is simply too glaringly bright to look at.