FellowerOfOdin wrote...
I'm just honest, that's all. I am a very conservative person and I'm not afraid of sharing a honest opinion like a lot of others.
And I hope you'll understand that everything I'm about to say is also my honest opinion, mixed in with a bit of fact.
Incest is a no-go for any purposes, even if you do not want to reproduce yourself...it's just disgusting and it would make you care less for actually finding a real partner thus it is contra-productive too.
You're judging other people, here. It's not up to you what they deem moral and productive. That said, it's quite well established that incestual pregnancies often lead to birth defects and retardation. I have no problem with two consenting adults beginning an incestual relationship, but I do have a problem with allowing them to reproduce. Punishing them for the second act would make the eventual baby's life even worse, so I don't know of a good solution to that problem.
Homosexuality is another case and has nothing to do with incest. It's not a crime to begin with, it's a decision someone has to make during his life. You do not need to respect that person for such a decision, but you must also realize that he is on legal ground and there's no reason why he should not make such a decision...people make far worse decisions every day, so why judge someone by his sexual orientation alone?
It's not a decision. That isn't my opinion. It's fact. If you've been told otherwise, you were lied to.
That said, I would point out that religion is absolutely a choice and I'm often told that criticizing someone or not accepting them because of
that choice is wrong. So even if homosexuality was a choice, why wouldn't the same standards apply?
I don't have a problem with f/f relationships, I am naturally attracted to women and thus I can also enjoy an attractive lesbian couple...no problem for me. m/m is another case though as it's not attractive to me...in the contrary.
I think that two guys kissing is gross, too. I don't like watching it. But so what? Why should my feelings of icky! get in the way of two men having a relationship? That would be absurd. I think that ugly people kissing is icky to watch, too. Should we declare that ugly people cannot have relationships?
Don't get me wrong, it's not like I hate someone just because he is gay, I do have two gay male friends, but I also know two other people who I convinced hitting on females again and both are pretty happy with that, one of them now has a 2 year old daughter and is married for 4 years now.
Why do all homophobes always tell us that they have gay friends, as if that makes everything okay? In any case, your friend is either bisexual, is pretending to be homosexual to fit in with society, or was never gay to begin with but wanted to experiment. Again, homosexuality is not a choice any more than is skin color.
As stated above, I am conservative and against stuff like e.g. homosexual marriages because I think that marriage is a very special ceremony / privilege that should be restricted to the "natural" couple of man and woman, including stuff like lower taxes and sth. as such a relationship increases the nation's growth / genetic pool and should be preserved.
Homosexuality is natural. In addition, all people should be treated equally. Thus, there is no logical argument against gay marriage. Though, the government really has no business being in the marriage game anyway. If the government wants to give everyone
equal civil union status, that's fine. Leave the marriage to the religious folks.
I am not homophobic though, 96% of the people here (including Bioware) use the term in the wrong way. Homophobic refers to irrational fear towards homosexual groups / individuals, but if someone has an aversion towards homosexual people because of e.g. religious belief, that person cannot be homophobic as it's not irrational.
I would argue that the religion itself is irrational. As I said earlier, religion
is a choice. You chose to follow whatever religion you follow and I don't accept it as a justification for bigotry. What if I founded a religion that said black people were evil. Would you defend my racism in court, too? Would you declare that I am not a racist, that I am just following my religious beliefs? Or would you rightly label me as a bigot?
So...if some people demand everyone to be open-minded about their stuff but react in an absolutey heterophobic way when responding to people with a different opinion...that's not more than hypocrisy.
I don't think that anyone is arguing
against heterosexuality and heterosexual relationships. People
are arguing against homosexuality and homosexual relationships. That's a big difference. If you're creeped out by gay people, too bad.
Nobody needs to get along with each other, nobody needs to be good friends with another. You can simply not like someone because of his orientation, that's your choice, let it be good or bad, but you should not jump at the other's throat either.
I hope you see my dislike of religion in the same light.
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"prove" that homosexuality ain't natural, by God. Unfortunately, the only weapons to rebut such arguments involve logic and reason, which clearly don't enter into the homophobe's thought process at any point. I really do wonder why "straight" men would spend so much time and energy being irate about homosexuality, when ostensibly it is something that doesn't affect them in any way. And all this because Anders has the unmitigated nerve to ask ManHawke if he swings that way? Talk about disproportionate.
