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FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I'm just honest, that's all. I am a very conservative person and I'm not afraid of sharing a honest opinion like a lot of others.


So right there your opinions are more honest than others? Let's venture on shall we......

Incest is a no-go for any purposes, even if you do not want to reproduce yourself...it's just disgusting and it would make you care less for actually finding a real partner thus it is contra-productive too.


Caring for a partner that wouldn't be part of a incestuous relationship is not a factor in caring. You either care, or you don't. But, I too do not condone incest. Having said that, I cannot tell consenting adults (note I specified adults), whether they are direct relatives or not, that they cannot engage in a sexual relation with each other.

Homosexuality is another case and has nothing to do with incest. It's not a crime to begin with, it's a decision someone has to make during his life. You do not need to respect that person for such a decision, but you must also realize that he is on legal ground and there's no reason why he should not make such a decision...people make far worse decisions every day, so why judge someone by his sexual orientation alone?


You are seriously misinformed if you think homosexuality is some kind of decision process or choice, it isn't. Being homoseuxal is no more of a choice, than if you or I choose to be heterosexual. Do you actually make a concerted decision to be straight every day in your life? The only choices made relevant to sexuality, is the act of engaging in sex.

I don't have a problem with f/f relationships, I am naturally attracted to women and thus I can also enjoy an attractive lesbian couple...no problem for me. m/m is another case though as it's not attractive to me...in the contrary.


That's perfectly normal. No one would reasoonably expect for you or me to be attracted to same sex experiences. Interestingly, you are attracted to the opposite sex engaging in homosexuality. Note though that I mention this because you have no choice being attracted to that.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like I hate someone just because he is gay, I do have two gay male friends, but I also know two other people who I convinced hitting on females again and both are pretty happy with that, one of them now has a 2 year old daughter and is married for 4 years now.


Listen to yourself. I would hardly consider someone my friend with such a condescending tone. You have gay friends, though you have to emphasize that you don't hate gays. But you all but proselytize heterosexuality onto two of them by some method of "hitting on" the opposite sex. Let me tell you something, they are still attracted to men, whether you believe them or not. And you are not their friend if you tried/are trying to make them into someoen they are not that you want them to be. A *real* friend accepts their friends just as they are.

As stated above, I am conservative and against stuff like e.g. homosexual marriages because I think that marriage is a very special ceremony / privilege that should be restricted to the "natural" couple of man and woman, including stuff like lower taxes and sth. as such a relationship increases the nation's growth / genetic pool and should be preserved.


Being conservative isn't a means to deny someone the very same rights that you and I have, just because we are considered in a "normal" relationship. I hear "conservatives" just like you make statements that they (gay people, and I really dislike the term anyway) want "special rights" so to speak, when it is the hetero community that has the special rights. Gays cannot have even some common law rights let alone some inheritance rights and marriage privileges. So I ask, who is special? You comment on the "natural couple" is way off base, since who are you or anyone to decide what is natural (outside of biblical scripture which doesn't count). Being homosexual is just as natural as being heterosexual is.

I am not homophobic though, 96% of the people here (including Bioware) use the term in the wrong way. Homophobic refers to irrational fear towards homosexual groups / individuals, but if someone has an aversion towards homosexual people because of e.g. religious belief, that person cannot be homophobic as it's not irrational.


You don't come across as a blatant homophobe, but you are not shy about being seriously biased. I am sure, as by what your own words here represent, that you are somewhat of a homophobe.

So...if some people demand everyone to be open-minded about their stuff but react in an absolutey heterophobic way when responding to people with a different opinion...that's not more than hypocrisy.


Yet your hypocrisy shines through in a few of your statements above. The mere fact you say that you have homosexual friends, but made an effort to convert them is not in any sense being a friend, and is certainly indicative of hypocrisy. A friend supports a friend regardless of their sexuality.

Nobody needs to get along with each other, nobody needs to be good friends with another. You can simply not like someone because of his orientation, that's your choice, let it be good or bad, but you should not jump at the other's throat either.


Eerily sensible considering the above statements you made.

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Angry_Bitter wrote...
Homosexuality is a sin. Sorry, but the Bible and/or Quran says so guys. David Gaider is damned to an eternity of hell and damnation for this homosex tripe.

Reported.

SIGH.

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Angry_Bitter wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Angry_Bitter wrote...

Homosexuality is a sin. Sorry, but the Bible and/or Quran says so guys. David Gaider is damned to an eternity of hell and damnation for this homosex tripe.


I hope your kidding... seriouly


I'm not kidding. And I don't care if your liberal views are causing you to get butthurt over the FACT that homosex is a sin and grossly perverted.


Alright, go back in your shed and keep smoking your bible pages.

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FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Yes, I killed Zevhran every time but on one playthrough because he was annoying to have around and he was clichée...and he tried to kill me. But I still think that his concept was done pretty well. 


The amount of people who want to kill/hit/insult gay characters is mind chilling. Same goes for those who reason with saying the companion are being annoying/whatever. Yes, it is just a game, still, to think people so easily discard of people they disagree with is... unpleasant.

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v_ware wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

I agree with the OP.

A better way to do it would have been to have characters with a set sexuality that was part of their character, not characters that change depending upon whether you play a male or female Hawke.


I agree with this.

I agree too, besides we have Anders who was straight in DA:O Awakening and now is Bi? rofl...

He never stated his sexuality in DA:O.

Oh and when do any of the characters state their tendency? i am assuming that because he was no male/male option in Origins, so why the change? this lacks real personality of the character.

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moilami wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Angry_Bitter wrote...

Homosexuality is a sin. Sorry, but the Bible and/or Quran says so guys. David Gaider is damned to an eternity of hell and damnation for this homosex tripe.


I hope your kidding... seriouly


the typo in that made me lol


It is quite funny actualy :D

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MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

v_ware wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

I agree with the OP.

A
better way to do it would have been to have characters with a set
sexuality that was part of their character, not characters that change
depending upon whether you play a male or female Hawke.


I agree with this.

I agree too, besides we have Anders who was straight in DA:O Awakening and now is Bi? rofl...

He never stated his sexuality in DA:O.

Oh
and when do any of the characters state their tendency? i am assuming
that because he was no male/male option in Origins, so why the change?
this lacks real personality of the character.

He was not a male/female option either?

Russalka wrote...

Do not respond to people who only joined today.

This

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[quote]MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

[quote]v_ware wrote...

[quote]MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

[quote]fchopin wrote...
I agree too, besides we have Anders who was straight in DA:O Awakening and now is Bi? rofl...

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He never stated his sexuality in DA:O.

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Oh and when do any of the characters state their tendency? i am assuming that because he was no male/male option in Origins, so why the change? this lacks real personality of the character.

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You are making no sense. Anders never stated his sexuality in DA so you assume he's straight?

Btw, Anders was never in DA:O. He was in DA:Awekening. And you weren't able to romance any character in DA:A. 

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Aris_Khandr wrote...

moilami wrote...

Tali was though the first woman I went :o


And that's rather my point.  Tali is easily the most likable character in Mass Effect.  And there is no option to romance her for us.  So we get Merrill as an option in DA2, and suddenly everyone is like "It's not right that everyone is bi!"  Well the hell with you, why can't I get the likable characters for once?


u can roll a male and romance her

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Stop responding to obvious trolls people, c'mon now. That goes for the blatant homophobic/bigot spouting and the "gay is teh evul" posts.

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Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbiangaybisexual, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathycontemptprejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination[1][2] and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation.


From Wikipedia. 

And yes, this thread is full of it.

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Russalka wrote...

Do not respond to people who only joined today.


****, please.

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MoonChildTheUnholy

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v_ware wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

v_ware wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

I agree with the OP.

A better way to do it would have been to have characters with a set sexuality that was part of their character, not characters that change depending upon whether you play a male or female Hawke.


I agree with this.

I agree too, besides we have Anders who was straight in DA:O Awakening and now is Bi? rofl...

He never stated his sexuality in DA:O.

Oh and when do any of the characters state their tendency? i am assuming that because he was no male/male option in Origins, so why the change? this lacks real personality of the character.

You are making no sense. Anders never staded his sexuality in DA so you assume he's straight?

Btw, Anders was never in DA:O. He was in DA:Awekening. And you weren't able to romance any character in DA:A. 


Oh you´re right my bad, maybe he already was bi but Bioware didn´t include the option.

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moilami wrote...

u can roll a male and romance her


But why would I want to do that?

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I liked Gaider's response.

However i would like a different approach regarding gay romances, he does make sense when he says he shouldn't have Hawke always initiating romances since Isabella and Merril are a somewhat perfect take on that (but in practice you need to push yourself towards them, Isabella starts strong but doesn't make that move ever again while Anders just throws himself at you).

What i would do is have a subtle choice somewhere at the beggining who could distinguish your preferences changing the way gay characters initially approach you.

And honestly i also wished you could have an initial conversation option where you dismiss romance with that character permanently.

I liked Zevran moves on the first one, you could clearly tell his intentions while at the same time smiling along with it, but in DA2 it feels more... personal with Anders.

Take it as you will but it made me cringe.

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I applaud Bioware for their bold move. I know when I'm playing an action RPG in some generic grimdark fantasy setting, the first thing I look for is how socially progressive the politics of the game are by modern standards. Because that's what I want out of games. I don't need story, adventure, immersion or fun; I play games so that my precious left-wing view of the world can be confirmed. Who needs fun when you get the thrill of thinking "Ha! I'm not offended by this! My morals are clearly superior to those who would be offended by homosexuality! I'm so f***ing progressive I can barely sit still!"

So thank you, Bioware. It takes guts to champion the cause of homosexuality rather than make a decent game, but you made that sacrifice for us. For DA3, can you make it so that the enemies in the game are hetero and the hero is gay? Also could you throw in some black people? I haven't been able to feel superior about not being racist in a while. Gotta make sure I can be smug about that too.

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The only reason all of you are accepting of homosexuality is because you are all brainwashed by the communist/socialist/liberals that dominate the media and would like to see nothing but the destruction of traditional morality and family values in order to implement the hedonistic welfare state.

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There are really only two major issues in this discussion aren't there?
1) Wanting the option not to engage in homosexual relationships. Fair enough, but that option's already there, just don't engage in the relationships... asking for a button to turn them off seems far more unrealistic than just not flirting with them. Maybe if you just have the option for Anders to be made tranquil instead of Karl? That would deal with it... but he might not be quite so useful in the party.

2) Wishing it had been implemented more smoothly. On the surface, I can completely get behind this, there are issues of plausibility, at least if we're assuming that Thedas is historically similar to our world - which it isn't - and that their views on sexuality is similar to our world - which they aren't. So the only part of this argument that really seems to hold is that it's a little lazy. Ok, yes it is, but it allows there to be a variety of content at a lower expense than giving more monosexual options, which allows more resources to be put toward the actual gameplay. We can call that lazy and maybe be accurate, but we can also call it cost effective.


Angry_Bitter wrote...

Homosexuality is a sin. Sorry, but the Bible and/or Quran says so guys. David Gaider is damned to an eternity of hell and damnation for this homosex tripe.


That only matters if those books reflect reality. If they do, then including it in a game is unlikely to have any effect on on the number of people going to hell because only the open minded are going to take the option anyway, and being open minded is a sin too. Besides, why bring this up? What's done is done. If god really exists and cares then he can bring it up at the meeting and pass his judgements then.

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solstickan wrote...


Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbiangaybisexual, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathycontemptprejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination[1][2] and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation.


From Wikipedia. 

And yes, this thread is full of it.


The thread is full of people responding in exactly the same way in favor of homosexuality too. This behavior isn't limited to merely one side of the argument, so let's keep that in mind.

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Angry_Bitter wrote...

The only reason all of you are accepting of homosexuality is because you are all brainwashed by the communist/socialist/liberals that dominate the media and would like to see nothing but the destruction of traditional morality and family values in order to implement the hedonistic welfare state.


I'm a transgendered gay communist aethist,  I'm hear to bring about the the rise of your dark masters.  :devil:

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v_ware wrote...

And you weren't able to romance any character in DA:A. 


Yep, and as much as I tried to find the romance code in the toolset, to my dismay, I found only the "asexual" code only, so there you go ;)

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solstickan wrote...

Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbiangaybisexual, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathycontemptprejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination[1][2] and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation.


From Wikipedia. 

And yes, this thread is full of it.


Yeah, keep labeling people with it, YOU GO GIRL! I'm sure that will not fuel the fires that apparantly you seem to
see and want to extinguish, see how that works out for ya... just sayin.

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AngelicMachinery wrote...

Angry_Bitter wrote...

The only reason all of you are accepting of homosexuality is because you are all brainwashed by the communist/socialist/liberals that dominate the media and would like to see nothing but the destruction of traditional morality and family values in order to implement the hedonistic welfare state.


I'm a transgendered gay communist aethist,  I'm hear to bring about the the rise of your dark masters.  :devil:


HEY! Don't go admitting it! How are we supposed to make them out to be crazy conspiracy theorists if we're admitting to our evil plots?

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Angry_Bitter wrote...

The only reason all of you are accepting of homosexuality is because you are all brainwashed by the communist/socialist/liberals that dominate the media and would like to see nothing but the destruction of traditional morality and family values in order to implement the hedonistic welfare state.


I think it is time to lock down this thread!