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[Eterna]

moilami wrote...

v_ware wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

v_ware wrote...
Oh sorry for misunderstanding you.

Not everyone in this game is gay. They are bi. Big difference there. And 2 out of 4 don't even mention their sexuality if you don't flirt with them. (Merril/ Fenris)
So I don't really get the problem. 

That's what I mean by everyone is everything. What is that term ? Hawkesexual? 

Is that really better than having characters with defined sexualities of all types?

If you can't get the person you want (like with Tali) consider it a lesson for life.

Oh all right. I agree.

I found the system in DA:O perfect and this one kinda awkard. I was happy with Zevran being the only gay  option.

What I don't agree with is how some people deal with the homosexual content e. r. NO ****** BUTTON.
The reaction was the same to Zevran. A lot of people were killing him from the start just because he was gay. That's just an awfull message to homosexuals.

Probably not the best idea to make him the guy who just tried to kill you. That makes him suspicious from the start.

First time I killed him just to be safe.
Next time he just creeped my human noble out.
Third try I found him very interesting even though I did not share his views , my mage took him everywhere and talked to him a lot.

Killing him to be safe is logical.
Explicitly stating you killed him because he was gay is not.

Safety of my arse is important for me. However i never though Zevran could put it in danger - but after BW forums I think I should stop being naive.

Anyway, I am out of this dicussion.

Don't care if everyone in game would be gays.

 Really? Really?!?!
 

[moilami]

AODMG wrote...

Do I need to point out the hypocrisy in this thread? MOST of the heterosexual people in this thread are merely uncomfortable with the homosexual presence in game, and the original article is very misleading.

I can pull you up at least five articles where David said they would NEVER make all or most of the love interests bisexual, as he said part of their personality is their sexuality. Personally that point still ticks me off, but that is off topic.

Point is, this is quite a bit of unjustified rage. If you are a homosexual and the only options are hetero, you would be slightly uncomfortable/un-happy... hell some people were demanding certain characters types. So is it converse that something that by and large is hardwired into people as uncomfortable/unnatural makes them feel... uncomfortable?

*Sigh* you can find plenty of studies to either facet of a biological argument. The middle line is simple though. Similar to other birth defects (because from an evolutionary standpoint it is, it ends a gene line (sadly in some cases, many gays I know would make, or make better parents)) homosexuality is apparent in animal species apart from humans. The more overpopulated, healthy, and "wealthy" (wealth defined as abundance of resources, not monetary) the more statistically likely homosexuality appears to be. It could be random, or a genetically built in population cap. Singularly at humanity's doorstep is the apparent increase in the chance of occurrence in a highly sexualized environment.

In honest answers yes, for many, many, MANY people ******-sexuality is NOT a choice. Then there are the hedonists who just go around and screw over everyone (pardon the pun) in this debate with their practices.

People, breathe. Hetero-buddies... Gays are not going to kidnap and indoctrinate you, or put an end to our society. Gays.... it is okay, you now have nearly have equal rights in most major countries, with progression toward full equality, and a few idiots and or squeamish people "don't hurt no-body" (Rage bad, playing ******-phobic card incessantly bad, mmk?).

Edit Paragraph: ***One problem here is an attitude from some of the homosexual posters. They are telling heterosexuals that straights cannot understand that it is not a choice, because they aren't gay, as well as several things that go along with that. On the opposite hand however, many are acting like they know what it is to be straight. By your own token, you have never been heterosexual, and thus have no idea how WE feel or think. You may want to think about that position. Either experience and environment can teach you what it means to be straight, and vice versa, or neither. Trying to call it one way is both prejudice and elitism.***

(For all biblical arguments, read the bible. Yes it says homosexuality is a sin. It also says to treat another man unkindly, or judge him, or to show him anything but kindness is a sin. It in fact says everyone sins. So... yes. (Bible referenced as most frequently called upon religion is Christianity. Islam preaches the same thing. Hinduism, Buddhism, and most other religions don't truly care. Judasim on the other hand... Okay, point conceded)


Have a very nice day all!

(Edit: Made post less offensive (or I think it is now). Also needed to add ***'ed paragraph)

Ah, now I got it why gays don't like if someone say gayness is a choise. They don't like it because then someone could say to them stop being a gay.

[Reinveil]

Wow, I was so busy arguing in the registered game forum that I didn't even notice this thread (or article). Kudos to Mr. Gaider for what he said, I agree whole-heartedly. I'm surprised this is even an issue, honestly.

Well okay, no I'm not.

[moilami]

Eterna5 wrote...

moilami wrote...

v_ware wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

v_ware wrote...
Oh sorry for misunderstanding you.

Not everyone in this game is gay. They are bi. Big difference there. And 2 out of 4 don't even mention their sexuality if you don't flirt with them. (Merril/ Fenris)
So I don't really get the problem. 

That's what I mean by everyone is everything. What is that term ? Hawkesexual? 

Is that really better than having characters with defined sexualities of all types?

If you can't get the person you want (like with Tali) consider it a lesson for life.

Oh all right. I agree.

I found the system in DA:O perfect and this one kinda awkard. I was happy with Zevran being the only gay  option.

What I don't agree with is how some people deal with the homosexual content e. r. NO ****** BUTTON.
The reaction was the same to Zevran. A lot of people were killing him from the start just because he was gay. That's just an awfull message to homosexuals.

Probably not the best idea to make him the guy who just tried to kill you. That makes him suspicious from the start.

First time I killed him just to be safe.
Next time he just creeped my human noble out.
Third try I found him very interesting even though I did not share his views , my mage took him everywhere and talked to him a lot.

Killing him to be safe is logical.
Explicitly stating you killed him because he was gay is not.

Safety of my arse is important for me. However i never though Zevran could put it in danger - but after BW forums I think I should stop being naive.

Anyway, I am out of this dicussion.

Don't care if everyone in game would be gays.

 Really? Really?!?!
 

?

[Dark Necronus2]

I think the forums know where my support lies, but I'll say it again. Equality is always better, and always more important than a tiny detail of immersion. Thank you Mr. Gaider for standing up for those of us in the minority.

[Perles75]

Sharn01 wrote...

elimccl wrote...

My opinion on everyone being bisexual is that it seemed to me to be a design decision, so everyone could have whatever they wanted to have. I didn't think this was a good thing. I'll explain why.

I felt like it made a joke out of something that's very important to each of us: sexuality. By making everyone bi, this did give the impression that it was a design decision, not a character trait. This, to me, reduced the value of their personalities and characters. I don't see bisexual people are being less respectable, obviously. The idea is that when the writers don't commit to anything regarding what their characters like or don't like on such an important subject, it makes them feel artificial and soulless.

Your basing this theory on what though, the sexual habits of people in the modern day United States?  For all we know bisexuality may be a frequent occurence in Thedas, the average person, human, already has lots of other things to hate on, elves, mages, qunari, non andrastians, maybe bisexuality and even homosexuality just ducked under the hate radar with the citizenry having so many other things to hate.

And besides, Dragon Age 2 love interests are NOT all bisexual, people seem to forget about it
(doesn't change anything for the thread, but it's worth pointing it out, giving the number of people that make this mistake)

[Hopefire]

Eterna5 wrote...

c3701 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

You can. Say no to Anders. Ignore Fenris. Hook up with Isabela or Merril.

Oddly, you can't always tell a person's sexual orientation by looking at them. Otherwise, the Republican Party would have an easier time preventing gay sex scandals. 
I want an option such that I do not have to explicately tell him.  Don't you have an idea of a dude's sexual orientation without asking him?  The option would allow me to portray that.

 That Won't ever happen.

[JediMB]

JironGhrad wrote...

The vast majority of straight players, who've expressed any opinion at all, simply want to avoid being hit on by the guys in the game.

I always wonder where statements like these come from, because personally I don't keep track of people's sexualities, or even their sexes/genders, on these forums.

Me? I'm a straight, white, male gamer, and... well, you can look at my signature to get an idea of my opinion on these things.

All the silly homophobia just makes me want to create a male Mage Hawke to romance Fenris with. Just because.

EDIT: Also, I almost always play female characters, and I've only ever been uncomfortable with being hit on by Carth from KotOR. That was all about his behavior, though, and not because he was male.

Modifié par JediMB, 25 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[Sharn01]

elimccl wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Your basing this theory on what though, the sexual habits of people in the modern day United States?  For all we know bisexuality may be a frequent occurence in Thedas, the average person, human, already has lots of other things to hate on, elves, mages, qunari, non andrastians, maybe bisexuality and even homosexuality just ducked under the hate radar with the citizenry having so many other things to hate.

Part of telling a story is understanding the perspectives of your audience. If you make things too alien, you achieve disconnect. There's a careful balance between introducing fantastic elements and outright denying conventional logic. I'm not saying they can't all be bisexual in their world, or even ours. Yet, if you do that, you're obviously going to have confused players, or players who simply can't take it seriously because, yes, that's how it works in reality. Generally, the more alien you make characters to real people, the greater the empathetic distance there is. Again, there are obviously bisexuals in reality, but they aren't exactly flying out of the woodwork. It seems obvious to me that it was a design decision, not a writing decision. That's the main problem.

So your unhappy that they didnt make Fenris and Merrill completely gay and add two more companions or more that where straight LI?   In seriousness I do understand where you are coming from, but its a really small cast, your choices would be no choice if they cut anyone.  I havent even had a game where Isabella for example hasnt left the party permanently yet, and I wouldnt romance her even if she did return.  I dont see any character defining qualities that show that Merrill or Fenris couldnt be gay or bi, and most of the argueing isnt about that they can be gay or bi, its seems a lot of people dont want to be exposed to it at all.

Modifié par Sharn01, 25 mars 2011 - 11:08 .

[moilami]

JediMB wrote...

JironGhrad wrote...

The vast majority of straight players, who've expressed any opinion at all, simply want to avoid being hit on by the guys in the game.

I always wonder where statements like these come from, because personally I don't keep track of people's sexualities, or even their sexes/genders, on these forums.

Me? I'm a straight, white, male gamer, and... well, you can look at my signature to get an idea of my opinion on these things.

All the silly homophobia just makes me want to create a male Mage Hawke to romance Fenris with. Just because.

EDIT: Also, I almost always play female characters, and I've only ever been uncomfortable with being hit on by Carth from KotOR. That was all about his behavior, though, and not because he was male.

You should not make excuses but just do it.

[moilami]

Sharn01 wrote...

elimccl wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Your basing this theory on what though, the sexual habits of people in the modern day United States?  For all we know bisexuality may be a frequent occurence in Thedas, the average person, human, already has lots of other things to hate on, elves, mages, qunari, non andrastians, maybe bisexuality and even homosexuality just ducked under the hate radar with the citizenry having so many other things to hate.

Part of telling a story is understanding the perspectives of your audience. If you make things too alien, you achieve disconnect. There's a careful balance between introducing fantastic elements and outright denying conventional logic. I'm not saying they can't all be bisexual in their world, or even ours. Yet, if you do that, you're obviously going to have confused players, or players who simply can't take it seriously because, yes, that's how it works in reality. Generally, the more alien you make characters to real people, the greater the empathetic distance there is. Again, there are obviously bisexuals in reality, but they aren't exactly flying out of the woodwork. It seems obvious to me that it was a design decision, not a writing decision. That's the main problem.

So your unhappy that they didnt make Fenris and Merrill completely gay and add two more companions or more that where straight LI?   In seriousness I do understand where you are coming from, but its a really small cast, your choices would be no choice if they cut anyone.  I havent even had a game where Isabella for example hasnt left the party permanently yet, and I wouldnt romance her even if she did return.  I dont see any character defining qualities that show that Merrill or Fenris couldnt be gay or bi, and most of the argueing isnt about that they can be gay or bi, its seems a lot of people dont want to be exposed to it at all.

For me it is all the same what they are but I would prefer they are it consistently. That is why I think the "no gayness" button should maybe not be implemented.

[elimccl]

Sharn01 wrote...

elimccl wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Your basing this theory on what though, the sexual habits of people in the modern day United States?  For all we know bisexuality may be a frequent occurence in Thedas, the average person, human, already has lots of other things to hate on, elves, mages, qunari, non andrastians, maybe bisexuality and even homosexuality just ducked under the hate radar with the citizenry having so many other things to hate.

Part of telling a story is understanding the perspectives of your audience. If you make things too alien, you achieve disconnect. There's a careful balance between introducing fantastic elements and outright denying conventional logic. I'm not saying they can't all be bisexual in their world, or even ours. Yet, if you do that, you're obviously going to have confused players, or players who simply can't take it seriously because, yes, that's how it works in reality. Generally, the more alien you make characters to real people, the greater the empathetic distance there is. Again, there are obviously bisexuals in reality, but they aren't exactly flying out of the woodwork. It seems obvious to me that it was a design decision, not a writing decision. That's the main problem.

So your unhappy that they didnt make Fenris and Merrill completely gay and add two more companions or more that where straight LI?   In seriousness I do understand where you are coming from, but its a really small cast, your choices would be no choice if they cut anyone.  I havent even had a game where Isabella for example hasnt left the party permanently yet, and I wouldnt romance her even if she did return.  I dont see any character defining qualities that show that Merrill or Fenris couldnt be gay or bi, and most of the argueing isnt about that they can be gay or bi, its seems a lot of people dont want to be exposed to it at all.

Be careful about lumping everyone that voices a complaint or concern about it as simply being homophobic.

Yes, having an option for everyone would not have been feasible given the small cast. Again, you don't need an option for everyone. If the characters you create are all hetereo, this is fine. If one is gay, and the rest are hetero, fine. If all are gay, you're getting into "wait, what?" territory, but so long as it fits within their characterization, it's fine.

Mentioning how you see nothing in their character defining their sexuality is also an important point. Their sexuality doesn't matter within the context of the story. The only reason it exists is because of the seemingly forced romance options. It feels very stapled on, rather than a natural progression of events. Again, it feels designed, not a result of the storytelling. Design should reinforce those elements, not necessitate them.

Also, I'm aware they "switch sexual preferences" rather than actually being bisexual. Although, that's not a distinction I take seriously. Sexuality isn't a switch you can flip on or off and have it not affect your entire character. It only serves to prove my point that the romance option and the characters' sexuality is completely artificial.

I'm not even mentioning this because I was disappointed with it. I didn't care about the romance subplot in DA2, at all. It felt very mechanical and hollow to me. The numerous bugs didn't help. I only mention this because the issue is raised, and many people seem to be having trouble articulating the response they felt while playing the game.

[joey_kangaroo]

v_ware wrote...

joey_kangaroo wrote...

Isn't Sebastian straight? I'm not sure if this is true, but I think he is straight.

Sebastian doesn't do sex. He's abstinent.

Oh right, thanks. Forgot about that.

[Sharn01]

@ Elimccl

Much of the content of DA2 is stapled on and not expanded upon or explained enough, even if Hawke knows what is going on the player very often does not. That should be a complaint about the games story and characters as a whole, not specific to the romances.

Modifié par Sharn01, 25 mars 2011 - 11:23 .

[moilami]

elimccl wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Your basing this theory on what though, the sexual habits of people in the modern day United States?  For all we know bisexuality may be a frequent occurence in Thedas, the average person, human, already has lots of other things to hate on, elves, mages, qunari, non andrastians, maybe bisexuality and even homosexuality just ducked under the hate radar with the citizenry having so many other things to hate.

Part of telling a story is understanding the perspectives of your audience. If you make things too alien, you achieve disconnect. There's a careful balance between introducing fantastic elements and outright denying conventional logic. I'm not saying they can't all be bisexual in their world, or even ours. Yet, if you do that, you're obviously going to have confused players, or players who simply can't take it seriously because, yes, that's how it works in reality. Generally, the more alien you make characters to real people, the greater the empathetic distance there is. Again, there are obviously bisexuals in reality, but they aren't exactly flying out of the woodwork. It seems obvious to me that it was a design decision, not a writing decision. That's the main problem.

I am surprised I find people who can think like RPGer in BW forums. You, Bob, I think, and Sylvanys the Mad are the only ones I recall being able to do so.

[elimccl]

Sharn01 wrote...

@ Elimccl

Much of the content of DA2 is stapled on and not expanded upon or explained enough, even if Hawke knows what is going on the player very often does not. That should be a complaint about the games story and characters as a whole, not specific to the romances.

It's all related, yes. Point being, either way you go, you need to commit to it so that the response you want is the response you achieve, in all things. That was one DA2's most basic problems - failing to achieve its intent.

As for the people who want a "no gay ppl hittin' on me" button, I'll just say I'm glad there was a "no homophobe" button included that was hidden and seemingly always checked. It's a shame there wasn't a "no magephobe" button.

[Sharn01]

elimccl wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

@ Elimccl

Much of the content of DA2 is stapled on and not expanded upon or explained enough, even if Hawke knows what is going on the player very often does not. That should be a complaint about the games story and characters as a whole, not specific to the romances.

It's all related, yes. Point being, either way you go, you need to commit to it so that the response you want is the response you achieve, in all things. That was one DA2's most basic problems - failing to achieve its intent.

As for the people who want a "no gay ppl hittin' on me" button, I'll just say I'm glad there was a "no homophobe" button included that was hidden and seemingly always checked. It's a shame there wasn't a "no magephobe" button.

A no mage phobe button for Hawke's personality would have been great, no argument there, would have liked one for religion as well since the game rarely gave us a chance to make statements of our opinion on either and didnt remember them from one conversation to the next.

[sebiscuit]

moilami wrote...

AODMG wrote...

Do I need to point out the hypocrisy in this thread? MOST of the heterosexual people in this thread are merely uncomfortable with the homosexual presence in game, and the original article is very misleading.

I can pull you up at least five articles where David said they would NEVER make all or most of the love interests bisexual, as he said part of their personality is their sexuality. Personally that point still ticks me off, but that is off topic.

Point is, this is quite a bit of unjustified rage. If you are a homosexual and the only options are hetero, you would be slightly uncomfortable/un-happy... hell some people were demanding certain characters types. So is it converse that something that by and large is hardwired into people as uncomfortable/unnatural makes them feel... uncomfortable?

*Sigh* you can find plenty of studies to either facet of a biological argument. The middle line is simple though. Similar to other birth defects (because from an evolutionary standpoint it is, it ends a gene line (sadly in some cases, many gays I know would make, or make better parents)) homosexuality is apparent in animal species apart from humans. The more overpopulated, healthy, and "wealthy" (wealth defined as abundance of resources, not monetary) the more statistically likely homosexuality appears to be. It could be random, or a genetically built in population cap. Singularly at humanity's doorstep is the apparent increase in the chance of occurrence in a highly sexualized environment.

In honest answers yes, for many, many, MANY people ******-sexuality is NOT a choice. Then there are the hedonists who just go around and screw over everyone (pardon the pun) in this debate with their practices.

People, breathe. Hetero-buddies... Gays are not going to kidnap and indoctrinate you, or put an end to our society. Gays.... it is okay, you now have nearly have equal rights in most major countries, with progression toward full equality, and a few idiots and or squeamish people "don't hurt no-body" (Rage bad, playing ******-phobic card incessantly bad, mmk?).

Edit Paragraph: ***One problem here is an attitude from some of the homosexual posters. They are telling heterosexuals that straights cannot understand that it is not a choice, because they aren't gay, as well as several things that go along with that. On the opposite hand however, many are acting like they know what it is to be straight. By your own token, you have never been heterosexual, and thus have no idea how WE feel or think. You may want to think about that position. Either experience and environment can teach you what it means to be straight, and vice versa, or neither. Trying to call it one way is both prejudice and elitism.***

(For all biblical arguments, read the bible. Yes it says homosexuality is a sin. It also says to treat another man unkindly, or judge him, or to show him anything but kindness is a sin. It in fact says everyone sins. So... yes. (Bible referenced as most frequently called upon religion is Christianity. Islam preaches the same thing. Hinduism, Buddhism, and most other religions don't truly care. Judasim on the other hand... Okay, point conceded)


Have a very nice day all!

(Edit: Made post less offensive (or I think it is now). Also needed to add ***'ed paragraph)

Ah, now I got it why gays don't like if someone say gayness is a choise. They don't like it because then someone could say to them stop being a gay.

to any that read this article please understand that we live in a mostly free world, the above referenced individual explains beyond any doubt how rediculous this debate is the game simply offers a choice you choose whether or not to take it is on you. I would about garantee that the same individuals who are aguing the point are also guilty of tryingto get isabela and zevran into the threeway on origins. grow up guys we no longer huddle in caves and are amazed by fire we all have choices and we can choose the sexual preferences on the game. also the game comes under a mature rating so excercise that maturity and move past this trivial debate

[JediMB]

moilami wrote...

You should not make excuses but just do it.

I have higher priorities.

And I'm waiting for Dragon Age II to get that much-needed patch.

[AkiKishi]

Sharn01 wrote...
A no mage phobe button for Hawke's personality would have been great, no argument there, would have liked one for religion as well since the game rarely gave us a chance to make statements of our opinion on either and didnt remember them from one conversation to the next.

Well a lot of it comes down to you playing a pre-gen character. Hawke has it's own views you just choose the tone of the response.

I lost track of the number of times I tried to investigate and somehow ended up with sarcastic response, I have some sympathy for anyone who suffered Anders because of similar wheel issues.

[Heather Cline]

This argument about bisexuals/lesbians/gays is annoying, stupid and offending. I believe that in video games like DA and ME that romance-able characters should be not affected by straight/gay lines. They should be flexible and be open to all genders and sexual orientations.

Enough said.

[moilami]

sebiscuit wrote...

moilami wrote...

AODMG wrote...

Do I need to point out the hypocrisy in this thread? MOST of the heterosexual people in this thread are merely uncomfortable with the homosexual presence in game, and the original article is very misleading.

I can pull you up at least five articles where David said they would NEVER make all or most of the love interests bisexual, as he said part of their personality is their sexuality. Personally that point still ticks me off, but that is off topic.

Point is, this is quite a bit of unjustified rage. If you are a homosexual and the only options are hetero, you would be slightly uncomfortable/un-happy... hell some people were demanding certain characters types. So is it converse that something that by and large is hardwired into people as uncomfortable/unnatural makes them feel... uncomfortable?

*Sigh* you can find plenty of studies to either facet of a biological argument. The middle line is simple though. Similar to other birth defects (because from an evolutionary standpoint it is, it ends a gene line (sadly in some cases, many gays I know would make, or make better parents)) homosexuality is apparent in animal species apart from humans. The more overpopulated, healthy, and "wealthy" (wealth defined as abundance of resources, not monetary) the more statistically likely homosexuality appears to be. It could be random, or a genetically built in population cap. Singularly at humanity's doorstep is the apparent increase in the chance of occurrence in a highly sexualized environment.

In honest answers yes, for many, many, MANY people ******-sexuality is NOT a choice. Then there are the hedonists who just go around and screw over everyone (pardon the pun) in this debate with their practices.

People, breathe. Hetero-buddies... Gays are not going to kidnap and indoctrinate you, or put an end to our society. Gays.... it is okay, you now have nearly have equal rights in most major countries, with progression toward full equality, and a few idiots and or squeamish people "don't hurt no-body" (Rage bad, playing ******-phobic card incessantly bad, mmk?).

Edit Paragraph: ***One problem here is an attitude from some of the homosexual posters. They are telling heterosexuals that straights cannot understand that it is not a choice, because they aren't gay, as well as several things that go along with that. On the opposite hand however, many are acting like they know what it is to be straight. By your own token, you have never been heterosexual, and thus have no idea how WE feel or think. You may want to think about that position. Either experience and environment can teach you what it means to be straight, and vice versa, or neither. Trying to call it one way is both prejudice and elitism.***

(For all biblical arguments, read the bible. Yes it says homosexuality is a sin. It also says to treat another man unkindly, or judge him, or to show him anything but kindness is a sin. It in fact says everyone sins. So... yes. (Bible referenced as most frequently called upon religion is Christianity. Islam preaches the same thing. Hinduism, Buddhism, and most other religions don't truly care. Judasim on the other hand... Okay, point conceded)


Have a very nice day all!

(Edit: Made post less offensive (or I think it is now). Also needed to add ***'ed paragraph)

Ah, now I got it why gays don't like if someone say gayness is a choise. They don't like it because then someone could say to them stop being a gay.

to any that read this article please understand that we live in a mostly free world, the above referenced individual explains beyond any doubt how rediculous this debate is the game simply offers a choice you choose whether or not to take it is on you. I would about garantee that the same individuals who are aguing the point are also guilty of tryingto get isabela and zevran into the threeway on origins. grow up guys we no longer huddle in caves and are amazed by fire we all have choices and we can choose the sexual preferences on the game. also the game comes under a mature rating so excercise that maturity and move past this trivial debate

I haven't done in any playthroughs threesome in DA. I have heard it exists but I have absolutely no reason to do it.

[moilami]

Heather Cline wrote...

This argument about bisexuals/lesbians/gays is annoying, stupid and offending. I believe that in video games like DA and ME that romance-able characters should be not affected by straight/gay lines. They should be flexible and be open to all genders and sexual orientations.

Enough said.

You maybe don't understand that DA2 pretends to be an RPG. So it is not stupid. I take it you don't understand what role NPCs and especially your companions play in RPG.

I wonder why people don't play The Sims if all they want is to dating and sex. I haven't ever played it though but I have heard it Delivers those.

[Russalka]

I think invoking the Sims and and simulations for arguments should be called a law and a fallacy. It always ends up in the discussion in here.

[moilami]

Russalka wrote...

I think invoking the Sims and and simulations for arguments should be called a law and a fallacy. It always ends up in the discussion in here.

Sup how many romances you can have in The Sims?