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[Purgatious]

Tirigon wrote...

Purgatious wrote...

Since I'm gay I really doubt that, and I didn't say the world, just having all party members being romancible isn't realistic.

Being able to fight as well as Hawke isn´t realistic either, from now on you get an automated party wipe whenever engaging 6 or more foes, with mage equalling 3 normal foes.

For the sake of realism.

Oh and, scratch mages. people throwing fire from their hands isn´t realistic either.

In thedas this is realistic for the world, but as many here said, in thedas not everyone is bi/gay, so why are all my randomly met party members willing and able to have relations with me. Its like a porn-moive, where everyone you see will end up getting in on the action.

[Sharn01]

They are willing to have a relationship with you after they have known you for three years and not all at the same time, granted it sure didnt feel like you knew them for that long and I think the length of the time skips where unecessary but, there you go.

If anything Hawke is horrible at attracting peoples interest sexually, takes him/her three years to get the chosen LI into bed, I dont think its ever taken me more then three weeks.

Modifié par Sharn01, 26 mars 2011 - 03:17 .

[Tirigon]

Purgatious wrote...

In thedas this is realistic for the world, but as many here said, in thedas not everyone is bi/gay,

Maybe they are.
You just wouldn´t know.
The Chantry and the society in general do allow homosexuality, HOWEVER, they do not want it to be public since Thedas lives on the "sex should stay behind closed doors" principle (as stated in some codex in DAO) so it makes sense that you hardly see any openly gay people. Your friends, however, would confess, especially if one of you hits on the other.
As a man you can´t really hit on another without thereby admitting to be gay or bi.......

[Purgatious]

Tirigon wrote...

Purgatious wrote...

In thedas this is realistic for the world, but as many here said, in thedas not everyone is bi/gay,

Maybe they are.
You just wouldn´t know.
The Chantry and the society in general do allow homosexuality, HOWEVER, they do not want it to be public since Thedas lives on the "sex should stay behind closed doors" principle (as stated in some codex in DAO) so it makes sense that you hardly see any openly gay people. Your friends, however, would confess, especially if one of you hits on the other.
As a man you can´t really hit on another without thereby admitting to be gay or bi.......

The point is, how likely is it that you meet a gay mage, gay ex-slave-weapon elf, straight dalish elf and and straight pirate. Or reverse for female characters.

[Monsteroids]

Except everyone doesn't and can't get in on the action. It's quite a bit more monogamous than DA:O's threesomes.
Each character's social behavior, quests, and outlook is fixed, only their sexual behavior and opinion of Hawke can be affected by Hawke, depending on Hawke's CHOICES in interaction.

I think it sacrifices very little in terms of characterization and satisfying the player. Since, when is a fantasy story going for realism anyways?

Being someone who likes to do romances on characters with both genders, this totally works for me though.

Modifié par Monsteroids, 26 mars 2011 - 03:24 .

[Purgatious]

It just reaks of "apease everyone" by putting in shallow relationships with everyone but the dwarf.

[Tirigon]

Purgatious wrote...

The point is, how likely is it that you meet a gay mage, gay ex-slave-weapon elf, straight dalish elf and and straight pirate. Or reverse for female characters.

Very likely, if we assume that most people in Thedas are bi (which we should, imo).


Also:
Very likely, if you´re Hawke.

Hell, I would totally turn gay for a guy that´s even half as awesome as Hawke is supposed to be...
(imo Hawke sucks ass, but that´s a different matter. he´s surely supposed to be a god among mortals, if we watch the trailer.....)

[Tirigon]

Purgatious wrote...

It just reaks of "apease everyone" by putting in shallow relationships with everyone but the dwarf.

Contradiction. To appease everyone, dwarf romances should be in.

Anyways, a game is SUPPOSED to entertain you as good as possible, and if it does so for as many people as possible that is a good thing, imo.

I wish they´d take the appease everyone aproach to creating games a bit more serious, and a bit further.

[Purgatious]

Tirigon wrote...

Purgatious wrote...

It just reaks of "apease everyone" by putting in shallow relationships with everyone but the dwarf.

Contradiction. To appease everyone, dwarf romances should be in.

Anyways, a game is SUPPOSED to entertain you as good as possible, and if it does so for as many people as possible that is a good thing, imo.

I wish they´d take the appease everyone aproach to creating games a bit more serious, and a bit further.

Just 'cause it reaks of it, doesn't mean they did it well.

[Tirigon]

Purgatious wrote...

Just 'cause it reaks of it, doesn't mean they did it well.

Still, why is it bad they tried, at least?
Seriously, for me, the approach to romances is the only good thing in DA2.

[Purgatious]

Tirigon wrote...

Purgatious wrote...

Just 'cause it reaks of it, doesn't mean they did it well.

Still, why is it bad they tried, at least?
Seriously, for me, the approach to romances is the only good thing in DA2.

This is bioware, they should be successful at what ever they try. They have the talent and money, or should have at least but who knows where the goods when at bioware, my guess to their mmo and ME3.

[Tirigon]

Purgatious wrote...


This is bioware, they should be successful at what ever they try. They have the talent and money, or should have at least but who knows where the goods when at bioware, my guess to their mmo and ME3.

So you are not opposed to appeasing everyone but you are sad that they failed at it?

if i interprete your post correctly, then I fully agree:)

[Altima Darkspells]

Have we even seen a gay person in Thedas?  Most we have are bisexuals.

I guess the player character could be gay.

Maybe Heron and Wade?  I'unno.

Even in DA2, while the four party members are bi, any other person we see in any sort of relationship is straight.  That is a rather overwhelming majority.

Tirigon wrote...


Contradiction. To appease everyone, dwarf women should be in.

Fix'd.

[Tirigon]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Have we even seen a gay person in Thedas?  Most we have are bisexuals.

I guess the player character could be gay.

Maybe Heron and Wade?  I'unno.

Even in DA2, while the four party members are bi, any other person we see in any sort of relationship is straight.  That is a rather overwhelming majority.

Please, read my post above somewhere in this mess. i explained that while homosexuality is accepted it is not something you are open with to anyone but friends as it is expected to stay in private.

Tirigon wrote...

Contradiction. To appease everyone, dwarf women should be in.

Fix'd.

Welll, yes.

[Sharn01]

That reminds me, does anyone recall seeing a darf female at all in DA2?

[Purgatious]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Have we even seen a gay person in Thedas?  Most we have are bisexuals.

I guess the player character could be gay.

Maybe Heron and Wade?  I'unno.

Even in DA2, while the four party members are bi, any other person we see in any sort of relationship is straight.  That is a rather overwhelming majority.

Tirigon wrote...

Also all other characters like your mother and uncle talk about hitting up with women if you're a man, and vice versa. If thedas was so liberal, they'd mention man or women regardless of gender. They don't. Infact the only bi/gay relantionships found elsewhere are in the ****houses.

[Sharn01]

Your a noble when all that is taking place, they are speaking of continueing the family line, nobles dont marry for love but for wealth and family, and often keep the people they truly love close to them.

[Tirigon]

Purgatious wrote...

Also all other characters like your mother and uncle talk about hitting up with women if you're a man, and vice versa. If thedas was so liberal, they'd mention man or women regardless of gender. They don't. Infact the only bi/gay relantionships found elsewhere are in the ****houses.

Homosexuality is in private only, and your mother probably expects a hetero relationship because she wants grand-children one day.....

Third time now. I won´t repeat again, do you even TRY to read my posts or are you just trying to annoy me?!

[Tommy6860]

v_ware wrote...

joey_kangaroo wrote...

Isn't Sebastian straight? I'm not sure if this is true, but I think he is straight.

Sebastian doesn't do sex. He's abstinent.

No, he's "obstinate"

[ji.Ruichi]

Sharn01 wrote...

That reminds me, does anyone recall seeing a darf female at all in DA2?

None for dwarves and qunari... Sad.

[Purgatious]

Tirigon wrote...

Purgatious wrote...

Also all other characters like your mother and uncle talk about hitting up with women if you're a man, and vice versa. If thedas was so liberal, they'd mention man or women regardless of gender. They don't. Infact the only bi/gay relantionships found elsewhere are in the ****houses.

Homosexuality is in private only, and your mother probably expects a hetero relationship because she wants grand-children one day.....

Third time now. I won´t repeat again, do you even TRY to read my posts or are you just trying to annoy me?!

You made no points. The "Well it may..." doesn't stack up against the "is" of all romancible non-sence.

Origins had it right, women couldn't romance morrigan, Men couldn't romance alistair. It made them seem more real.

[Aris_Khandr]

Purgatious wrote...

Origins had it right, women couldn't romance morrigan, Men couldn't romance alistair. It made them seem more real.

And which character in DA2 would you say felt "off" in their sexuality?  Isabela was rather open about sleeping with anyone.  Merrill was an outcast from her entire clan for most of her life, so it is easy to see why she'd fall for just about anyone who was kind to her.  Anders was both a mage and a Grey Warden of Ferelden (you might recall that the Grey Wardens weren't so popular in Ferelden for a lot of DA1), so, again, seems the sort to take companionship where he can find it.  The only one I didn't talk to was the other elf, so I can't say anything about him.  But the other three seem to be characters that quite believably would "go both ways".

[Rasanaa]

c3701 wrote...

Rasanaa wrote...

About the complaints of companions hitting on same-sex players....really? You can't be that insecure, right? Its a game. Get over it. And to go through your entire life without being flirted with (even lightly) by a same sex person that you just met or have known for a bit? Really? Its going to happen unless you live in a cave. Just take it as a compliment and move on. Same thing in the game. They are interested in you. Smile and move on.

It's funny how because this doesn't mean anything to you, it is insignificant and I must be "insecure" (something one should not be).  Yet something like a, most likely easily implemented, option, which I find insignificant, gets the majority of people in this thread "up-in-arms" over.  How does that work?
Option = bigot, homophobe, gay hater. 
No option = get over it, it's just a game you insecure wuss.

I didn't address any of that towards you, it was a general comment taken out of context to the general public and Bioware, but yet you took it, expanded upon it, put words in my own mouth, and made it out to be that I did address it to you in particular.

You even went down the road of "name-calling".

So yes, you seem to be very insecure.  *shrugs*   

Modifié par Rasanaa, 26 mars 2011 - 04:57 .

[-leadintea-]

The way I see it, the people who are fine with the sexuality of the characters the way they are like more breadth and those that like the Origins system like more depth. The system in DA2 is significantly less realistic than that in Origins, but it offers a lot of options to the player, which is why some will like it. Contrarily, Origins offers more realism in the way LI's are handled and that also appeals to others. I'm reminded of a poster several pages ago who was pissed that Tali wasn't available to their FemShepard in ME and was glad that Merill was available to Lady Hawke. To me, this situation was what I found enjoyable in DA:O (replacing Tali with Alistair) since it reflects so much on gay culture and my personal life.

In DA:O, although I liked Alistair's character much more than Zevran, I found that after working hard in his romance, Zevran wasn't nearly as bad as I thought he was when I first met him. Compare this to many gay people's lives and you'll find that we get attracted to many straight people that we can never hope to be in a relationship with even though we may click with them more so than other potential homosexuals, so we make do with what we have. This isn't even exclusive to gay people as heterosexuals also have to deal with things such as race, social standing, class, etc. which also influences who they can get and who they really find themselves attracted to.

At the end of the day, there are people who don't like the way life is and want to play a game for fun. They don't particularly care for how realistic something is and just want to play as someone that isn't 100% like them or even remind them of their lives. Then there are people like me who like seeing their lives and situations being paralled in a game world and respect what they see in their characters lives that is similar to theirs. Either way is fine, but I really hope that we get to see more realism in this series than just mere fantasy because it makes me more attached to the characters in the world since I can at least suspend my disbelief and be more intimate with them than with overly fantastical characters.

[c3701]

Hopefire wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

c3701 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

You can. Say no to Anders. Ignore Fenris. Hook up with Isabela or Merril.

Oddly, you can't always tell a person's sexual orientation by looking at them. Otherwise, the Republican Party would have an easier time preventing gay sex scandals. 
I want an option such that I do not have to explicately tell him.  Don't you have an idea of a dude's sexual orientation without asking him?  The option would allow me to portray that.

 That Won't ever happen.

Um, at least take credit for the changes if you're going to modify the comment.