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[Rasanaa]

I don't submit much to forums .....because of obvious reasons.

It still amazes me to this day that forums like these contain people, who will for 59 pages and counting, argue amongst themselves and never resolve anything. It will be a group of maybe 6 to 10 people, who are hard headed, opinionated, and self-centered, who will argue for the sake of argument and never come to any common ground because they all believe they are the ones in the right and the world should revolve around themselves.

Hmmm.....I think I just summed up the US House and Senate.

The world would be a better place if people would.....listen.

[c3701]

Rasanaa wrote...

c3701 wrote...

Rasanaa wrote...

About the complaints of companions hitting on same-sex players....really? You can't be that insecure, right? Its a game. Get over it. And to go through your entire life without being flirted with (even lightly) by a same sex person that you just met or have known for a bit? Really? Its going to happen unless you live in a cave. Just take it as a compliment and move on. Same thing in the game. They are interested in you. Smile and move on.

It's funny how because this doesn't mean anything to you, it is insignificant and I must be "insecure" (something one should not be).  Yet something like a, most likely easily implemented, option, which I find insignificant, gets the majority of people in this thread "up-in-arms" over.  How does that work?
Option = bigot, homophobe, gay hater. 
No option = get over it, it's just a game you insecure wuss.

I didn't address any of that towards you, it was a general comment taken out of context to the general public and Bioware, but yet you took it, expanded upon it, put words in my own mouth, and made it out to be that I did address it to you in particular.

You even went down the road of "name-calling".

So yes, you seem to be very insecure.  *shrugs*   

What are you talking about?  I was quoting you because I was commenting on something you said which was a common theme within the thread.  I was not saying that you said those things, but that they were said in the thread.  The response was not directed at you, but the thread in general.

Edit: And I'm sure not the only one evidently.  A freaking option that would change absolutely nothing about the game for the person that would want to keep it exactly as is.  No, Anders is going to romance you and you are going to like it.

Modifié par c3701, 26 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[Rasanaa]

Your post, c3701, despite you saying to the contrary, seemed to be very much directed at me.

Otherwise there was no need to quote me. My original post quoted no one and purposefully did not as I simply wanted to give a general opinion.

When quoting others, you are directing attention to them, so I try to avoid that unless I wish to directly address a person.

In any case, you could of made a point (or talking in circles as this thread has done for 60 pages of people banging their opinionated heads together) by just stating your opinion and making a general argument.

I'll leave it at a mistake, netiquette and all that, and leave it at my previous post of how this thread amazes me of 60 pages of half a dozen to a dozen people arguing amongst themselves over how they are right and everyone else is wrong while reaching no conclusion whatsoever.

[Montana]

I'm a straight male gamer (main demographic according to that guy) and I agree completely with Gaider, why shouldn't all romances be for everyone?

The guy is basicalllt complaining about options in the game, and options in a game is very seldom a bad idea.

[Emeraq]

I have to agree that having every character romancable is lazy character development. It's not a gay/bi-sexual issue, it's simply pure lack of character depth and development, period.

Your character has the ability to steer clear of bi-sexual or gay activity when an NPC hints at interest, but the NPC doesn't have the same ability when you hint that you are interested, really? Why? Because as the player you should ALWAYS get what you want? It's this me-centric mentality that drives me crazy, trying to cater to everyone's whims so that you don't 'discriminate' or are not viewed as discriminating, always protecting yourself so you don't have to defend what you think, believe, or the product you've created is just assinine. Giving everyone the EXACT same opportunity is not even feasible.

I don't care how great of a guy Anders is, I'm not interested in him. And it should apply to NPC's as well, if I'm just not Isabella's type, because she prefers the ladies, then I should have no shot with her.

That's my .02.

[c3701]

Rasanaa wrote...

Your post, c3701, despite you saying to the contrary, seemed to be very much directed at me.

Otherwise there was no need to quote me. My original post quoted no one and purposefully did not as I simply wanted to give a general opinion.

When quoting others, you are directing attention to them, so I try to avoid that unless I wish to directly address a person.

In any case, you could of made a point (or talking in circles as this thread has done for 60 pages of people banging their opinionated heads together) by just stating your opinion and making a general argument.

I'll leave it at a mistake, netiquette and all that, and leave it at my previous post of how this thread amazes me of 60 pages of half a dozen to a dozen people arguing amongst themselves over how they are right and everyone else is wrong while reaching no conclusion whatsoever.

Haha, then quote my response!  Sorry if I'm using them wrong.  I don't use the boards very often either.

[nicethugbert]

Emeraq wrote...

I have to agree that having every character romancable is lazy character development. It's not a gay/bi-sexual issue, it's simply pure lack of character depth and development, period.

Your character has the ability to steer clear of bi-sexual or gay activity when an NPC hints at interest, but the NPC doesn't have the same ability when you hint that you are interested, really? Why? Because as the player you should ALWAYS get what you want? It's this me-centric mentality that drives me crazy, trying to cater to everyone's whims so that you don't 'discriminate' or are not viewed as discriminating, always protecting yourself so you don't have to defend what you think, believe, or the product you've created is just assinine. Giving everyone the EXACT same opportunity is not even feasible.

I don't care how great of a guy Anders is, I'm not interested in him. And it should apply to NPC's as well, if I'm just not Isabella's type, because she prefers the ladies, then I should have no shot with her.

That's my .02.

Your post is a perfect example of stupidity masquerading as intelligence thanks to the rules of grammar.  Making characters romanceable involves more work so it can't be lazy to do so.  The NPC is totally scripted.  I'll let you figure out what that means.

[nicethugbert]

Purgatious wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Purgatious wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Purgatious wrote...

They went overboard on the gay/bi/lesbian non-sence. Make one gay and one bi, it makes it realistic. Its not hawke overpowers all with his personaility, shepard can't even make everyone romancible, and hes shepard.

If you are saying that Hawke can romance everybody then you are a goddamn shameless liar.

Oh yeah you can't romance varic, or your family (duh)

Oh and that dlc guy.

You can't Romance the Viscount, his son, the Senechal, the Arishok, Meeran, ........................

But it only take 4 people to make a world gay and god did wipe out New Orleans because of the ****s.  Sounds like you would feel comfortable at the Westboro Baptist Church.

Since I'm gay I really doubt that, and I didn't say the world, just having all party members being romancible isn't realistic.

Then you will be happy to know that in DA2 not all party members are romanceable.  But, yes it is realistic to have all party members romancable.  It is much more realistic than shooting fire out of your hands.

[yuncas]

I'm shocked this thread hasn't been locked yet.


Both impressive and very sad.

[nicethugbert]

Purgatious wrote...
In thedas this is realistic for the world, but as many here said, in thedas not everyone is bi/gay, so why are all my randomly met party members willing and able to have relations with me. Its like a porn-moive, where everyone you see will end up getting in on the action.

You are telling lies here.  Not all your party members are  willing and able to have relations with with your PC.

[ransompendragon]

I just wanted a toggle for the dialogue wheel where I could choose what Hawke was actually going to say.

[PlumPaul93]

ransompendragon wrote...

I just wanted a toggle for the dialogue wheel where I could choose what Hawke was actually going to say.

Yeah that's my issue as well forced options=issues like this, should've given more options other than being gay or be a jerk to anders.

[AlanC9]

ransompendragon wrote...

I just wanted a toggle for the dialogue wheel where I could choose what Hawke was actually going to say.

Would the whole line fit?

[Admiral Awsome]

JohnEpler wrote...

Yes, this is referred to as 'exercising your right as a consumer'. Something I always support - vote with your dollar, and don't buy things you don't enjoy.

How can I make an accurate "vote with my dollar" when it requires playing the game to find content that I could potentially not like and to see if I'll enjoy it or not? Game reviews don't paint the whole pict

Modifié par Admiral Awsome, 26 mars 2011 - 10:43 .

[ransompendragon]

AlanC9 wrote...

ransompendragon wrote...

I just wanted a toggle for the dialogue wheel where I could choose what Hawke was actually going to say.

Would the whole line fit?

If it was like in the cartoon a few pages back, yes.

Actually, what the cartoon seemed to highlight for me is the experience that Hawke is a character whose story I am interacting in versus a character I am role playing.

To be a little more on topic I think the title of this thread and The Escapist "article" are over the top but I thought Gaider's response was pretty well written.

Oh and the highlight of the evening was my man-Hawke finally getting "romance" with Fenris.

[moilami]

Purgatious wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Purgatious wrote...

Also all other characters like your mother and uncle talk about hitting up with women if you're a man, and vice versa. If thedas was so liberal, they'd mention man or women regardless of gender. They don't. Infact the only bi/gay relantionships found elsewhere are in the ****houses.

Homosexuality is in private only, and your mother probably expects a hetero relationship because she wants grand-children one day.....

Third time now. I won´t repeat again, do you even TRY to read my posts or are you just trying to annoy me?!

You made no points. The "Well it may..." doesn't stack up against the "is" of all romancible non-sence.

Origins had it right, women couldn't romance morrigan, Men couldn't romance alistair. It made them seem more real.

Is this true that Morri was a hetero?

[moilami]

DA2 is Awsum wrote...

in sims i have liek 12 gfs and 40 kids itz cool. Maybe da3 can be liek that.

yo 

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[moilami]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

oh god...REALLY? this again?

how hard is it for people to understand that the companions are only homosexuals if you make it that way, say if you play as a male and romanced a male companion? And don't even bring up Anders, so what if the character hit on your character? if you're going get "offended" or become "uncomfortable" when an animated character made of pixels hits on a representation of "you", I suggest you drop that keyboard and mouse/controller and head outside. Bioware had said all romanciable characters have no specific orientations BEFORE the game was released, so an warning as already given. If you didn't see it, that's not Bioware's problem.

How when playing as a male you come to the point after you help Anders in his first mission you are given three options two will net you negative points and then of course there is the one where you agree and

In my opinion Anders is not to blame in that. He would be unable to do that to my Hawke, but if he is able to do that to some other Hawkes I can only say GJ good ninja lol.

Pay attention by the way how innocent Anders look in the bed lol. Pro ninja I'd say.

[nicethugbert]

ransompendragon wrote...

I just wanted a toggle for the dialogue wheel where I could choose what Hawke was actually going to say.

I think it would have been better if people could type in their response exactly how they want it and assign an icon to it.  Then do the same for the NPC.  Then choose friendship or rivalry.  That way they can write their own story just the way they like it and role play just as they like and complain that BW is too lazy to write a story and that the game is just a stupid homework assignment.  But, they'll never complain about their own total lack of skill, creativity, and sanity.

[moilami]

Rasanaa wrote...

I don't submit much to forums .....because of obvious reasons.

It still amazes me to this day that forums like these contain people, who will for 59 pages and counting, argue amongst themselves and never resolve anything. It will be a group of maybe 6 to 10 people, who are hard headed, opinionated, and self-centered, who will argue for the sake of argument and never come to any common ground because they all believe they are the ones in the right and the world should revolve around themselves.

Hmmm.....I think I just summed up the US House and Senate.

The world would be a better place if people would.....listen.

The thing is that this is not mathematics. So there is plenty of room for different opinions.

The only thing where some people are wrong is that "discrinimation" clause. If in a game, or book, or movie there is no gay romances or gay people it is not discrinimation. Even a child could understand that, maybe. What is discrinimation would be if the some book, movie, or game would not be sold to gays.

Other things like requesting NPCs to be variables depending on your gender is an opinion like requesting them to be characters by themselves and not romance puppets is an opinion.

I would say that requesting NPCs to be variable puppet romance feeders goes in-line with requesting "no gays" button.

[nicethugbert]

moilami wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

oh god...REALLY? this again?

how hard is it for people to understand that the companions are only homosexuals if you make it that way, say if you play as a male and romanced a male companion? And don't even bring up Anders, so what if the character hit on your character? if you're going get "offended" or become "uncomfortable" when an animated character made of pixels hits on a representation of "you", I suggest you drop that keyboard and mouse/controller and head outside. Bioware had said all romanciable characters have no specific orientations BEFORE the game was released, so an warning as already given. If you didn't see it, that's not Bioware's problem.

How when playing as a male you come to the point after you help Anders in his first mission you are given three options two will net you negative points and then of course there is the one where you agree and

In my opinion Anders is not to blame in that. He would be unable to do that to my Hawke, but if he is able to do that to some other Hawkes I can only say GJ good ninja lol.

Pay attention by the way how innocent Anders look in the bed lol. Pro ninja I'd say.

Yeah, because when someone says "I like your genitals"  replying with "Hello" is exactly how you chase them away because hello is the battle cry of the criminally insane.

[DaBreadBoi]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

I think some insight into sexuality and culture in this world is necessary. My issue isn't homophobia, it's just having every romancable character being bisexual is just lazy, especially when we see 99% of the NPCs in male/female relationships and we don't see homosexuality in everyday life in this world.  Is homosexuality accepted in this culture, tolerated but frowned upon, and how does this relate across cultures?  Do dwarves have the same views on sexuality as humans or elves?  What is the chantry views on sexuality?  Does a religious person have a different view of homosexuality in this world?

Throughout history views towards sexuality has changed.  In Ancient Greece for example, it was ok for two men to have sex, but it was frowned upon if one male was seen as submissive in the relationship (they both had to be aggressive manly men for the relationship to be ok).  If BioWare is going to keep putting homosexuality in this world we need some kind of reference of what it means to be homosexual in this world.  You don't just put it in the game to get points for being "progressive", you should put it in to say something about your world.  

QFT. The last sentence pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. Why squander an opportunity to develop a major part of the lore in Thedas? How is sexuality treated in each race? It will certainly say a lot about their respective cultures and add more immersion & depth in the game. Don't get lazy now Bioware; use this!

[moilami]

DaBreadBoi wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...

I think some insight into sexuality and culture in this world is necessary. My issue isn't homophobia, it's just having every romancable character being bisexual is just lazy, especially when we see 99% of the NPCs in male/female relationships and we don't see homosexuality in everyday life in this world.  Is homosexuality accepted in this culture, tolerated but frowned upon, and how does this relate across cultures?  Do dwarves have the same views on sexuality as humans or elves?  What is the chantry views on sexuality?  Does a religious person have a different view of homosexuality in this world?

Throughout history views towards sexuality has changed.  In Ancient Greece for example, it was ok for two men to have sex, but it was frowned upon if one male was seen as submissive in the relationship (they both had to be aggressive manly men for the relationship to be ok).  If BioWare is going to keep putting homosexuality in this world we need some kind of reference of what it means to be homosexual in this world.  You don't just put it in the game to get points for being "progressive", you should put it in to say something about your world.  

QFT. The last sentence pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. Why squander an opportunity to develop a major part of the lore in Thedas? How is sexuality treated in each race? It will certainly say a lot about their respective cultures and add more immersion & depth in the game. Don't get lazy now Bioware; use this!

What I have read from history was that in ancient greece young adult men had to be butt sex suppliers for old men for a period of time.

If it was so, then luckily culture has evolved.

[v_ware]

moilami wrote...

DaBreadBoi wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...

I think some insight into sexuality and culture in this world is necessary. My issue isn't homophobia, it's just having every romancable character being bisexual is just lazy, especially when we see 99% of the NPCs in male/female relationships and we don't see homosexuality in everyday life in this world.  Is homosexuality accepted in this culture, tolerated but frowned upon, and how does this relate across cultures?  Do dwarves have the same views on sexuality as humans or elves?  What is the chantry views on sexuality?  Does a religious person have a different view of homosexuality in this world?

Throughout history views towards sexuality has changed.  In Ancient Greece for example, it was ok for two men to have sex, but it was frowned upon if one male was seen as submissive in the relationship (they both had to be aggressive manly men for the relationship to be ok).  If BioWare is going to keep putting homosexuality in this world we need some kind of reference of what it means to be homosexual in this world.  You don't just put it in the game to get points for being "progressive", you should put it in to say something about your world.  

QFT. The last sentence pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. Why squander an opportunity to develop a major part of the lore in Thedas? How is sexuality treated in each race? It will certainly say a lot about their respective cultures and add more immersion & depth in the game. Don't get lazy now Bioware; use this!

What I have read from history was that in ancient greece young adult men had to be butt sex suppliers for old men for a period of time.

If it was so, then luckily culture has evolved.

And what. Nowadays teenage girls are suppliers of sex on demand for old men. Prostitution has always existed. Don't generalize. It's a stupid thing to say.

[nicethugbert]

DaBreadBoi wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...

I think some insight into sexuality and culture in this world is necessary. My issue isn't homophobia, it's just having every romancable character being bisexual is just lazy, especially when we see 99% of the NPCs in male/female relationships and we don't see homosexuality in everyday life in this world.  Is homosexuality accepted in this culture, tolerated but frowned upon, and how does this relate across cultures?  Do dwarves have the same views on sexuality as humans or elves?  What is the chantry views on sexuality?  Does a religious person have a different view of homosexuality in this world?

Throughout history views towards sexuality has changed.  In Ancient Greece for example, it was ok for two men to have sex, but it was frowned upon if one male was seen as submissive in the relationship (they both had to be aggressive manly men for the relationship to be ok).  If BioWare is going to keep putting homosexuality in this world we need some kind of reference of what it means to be homosexual in this world.  You don't just put it in the game to get points for being "progressive", you should put it in to say something about your world.  

QFT. The last sentence pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. Why squander an opportunity to develop a major part of the lore in Thedas? How is sexuality treated in each race? It will certainly say a lot about their respective cultures and add more immersion & depth in the game. Don't get lazy now Bioware; use this!

Or not.  It's just a computer game.  It's perfectly fine for the "romances" to be there for people to enjoy if they want and ignore if they don't enjoy.  It's not anymore complicated then that.  They are not there for people to obsess over.  There is no need to turn the game into a socialogical study about sex or sir pouncealot or mid afternoon snacks or hair styles or ........

Don't you people have some corrupt spiders to kill?