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[City6]

Dr. Stephen J. Krune III wrote...

This thread is making me angry. I think in Dragon Age III, homosexual relationships should be MANDATORY. Let's give the homophobes something to really complain about!

I think it would be better for Bioware just to flag the accounts of certain posters here and make DA3 begin, just for them, with a graphic Anders teabagging cutscene.

That'll learn 'em.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

v_ware wrote...
Now you are making it sound like you want a "No sex" button in this game. Make up your mind.

As forced and awkward as most "romances" are in these games, that's a topic worthy of discussion.

[Galad22]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Hmm.  I can remember when this debate was simply about gay players being able to play the game according to their preferences.  Now it's about aversion therapy for straights who aren't tolerant enough?

I know isn't it awesome. This is how the world should work!

Anyway little tolerance really wouldn't hurt anyone from some people.

Modifié par Galad22, 24 mars 2011 - 09:23 .

[Sharn01]

Schurge wrote...

I agree with the OP, everyone shouldn't be bi-sexual, and I have to admit that the fact that they were pissed me off.

Sometimes bi-sexual makes sense, like in the cases of Zevran and Isabella (both sex addicts)... but Anders? Really? Bioware needs to man up and make straight, and homosexual characters with the occassional bi-sexual when it makes sense. I don't care if you call me homophobic, or intolerant, or ignorant, its just something that has been bothering me that I didn't feel I needed to make my own thread about.

Having everyone be bisexual is both unrealistic and selling out. It cheapens all of the characters and their romances to boot. In Dragon Age 3 I don't want everyone to be bi-sexual.

How is it unrealistic that the 4 romancable characters where all bisexual? 

Why is it that only sex addicts who have trouble commiting to a monogamous relationship are the best example of bi characters?

Some of it is because of limitations with the game, yes its somewhat unrealistic for everyone to be bi that is romancable, but that was the only way to include more then one romance option for a player without expanding the cast substantially.  I wanted to play a gay lady Hawke, I had no interest in Isabella as she was a walking std, Merrill however was perfect for my Lady Hawke apostate.  Maybe if there was 3or 4 more romance options you could have gotten what you wanted. 

[JironGhrad]

Galad22 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
You asked for this content to start with and then you pretend to be outraged when people don't like the effects.
"I want this and if you disagree your a homophobe / bigot / bad person / something."

I did not in fact ask for this content, but neither I am in anyway bothered by it. I am not part of the developer team either I am sorry to say.

I just can't figure how you are able to deal with gay people in real life, if you are this bothered by some harmless flirting in a video game.

Believe it or not, some people (depending on where you live and the places you choose to visit) will never meet an openly gay person in real life; or they may simply manage to avoid the discomfort of unwanted sexual advances of either gender.

Frankly, I'd just prefer the option to kick Ander's ass when he hits on me. It's not a reflection on gender preference; I've beat down guys for hitting on my girlfriends too after she told them to ****** off.

[demodar]

Andres is a creep who would hit you probably just to get to his goal . I didn't like him from first sec i saw him .
I don't want to offend the game in any mean but this is not romance its just few talks about what adults do in bed and there is a hint that you did the same .
What makes you think a woman who gets sexual comments by person she is not attracted to or doesn't even know do ? Go call the cops to to lock him in jail?You have the option to ignore yes sometimes fat guys that you don't like will make comments but you can just ignore

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Galad22 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Hmm.  I can remember when this debate was simply about gay players being able to play the game according to their preferences.  Now it's about aversion therapy for straights who aren't tolerant enough?

I know isn't it awesome. This is how the world should work!

Anyway little tolerance really wouldn't hurt anyone from some people.

I just think that some of us are disinclined to pay for the depiction of homosexuality in our entertainment.  I didn't buy a ticket to Brokeback Mountain, either, but I didn't try to prevent anyone from entering the theater when it was playing.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Geez, so many threads and so much whining about one small OPTIONAL part of the game. So many people complained that they couldn't romance the character they wanted in Origins. Now, they go ahead and make all characters available for everyone and people still complain about options they DON'T have to choose, that's right it's optional - if you don't want it, then don't do it and let those who do.
If I were lead-writer at Bioware I'd just go ahead and say 'screw you, you don't get any romances at all for the next game.'

[Galad22]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

I just think that some of us are disinclined to pay for the depiction of homosexuality in our entertainment.  I didn't buy a ticket to Brokeback Mountain, either, but I didn't try to prevent anyone from entering the theater when it was playing.

Yes well, it was just a joke. Anyway he hits you once, you shot him down. You really can't call that depiction, can you?

[Artoz96]

I really dont get it, why u make people eat gay content if they don't want it than he is bad/evil/etc.

Do you understand that it is theirs right, like it your right to demand to include gay content.

Some people (and I) just want a button to switch off gay content for their game. Ok, I understand that nobody will do it, cause a lot of people will start to cry about intolerance. Just dont script npc to propose gay sex. I dont want it at all. And it is my right.

[aliasbatman]

next time do less  , love, ******, bi-sexual options romance and more map zones, environments and quest! thx!

Modifié par aliasbatman, 24 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

v_ware wrote...
Since when is "Jew" a race then? It doesn't matter: Black: skincolour, Gay: Sexuality, Jew: Religion. If you're different you get ignorance and hate. That's always the same.

Now you are making it sound like you want a "No sex" button in this game. Make up your mind.

Judaism is indeed a religion but the Jewish people are their own race. Frankly talking about "ignorance" and "hate" means nothing. The fact of the matter is that some gay players wanted gay LIs. They got it and it was taken a step further in DA2 by making all of the LIs bisexual which makes the party feel poorly defined. It is perfectly acceptable for a small minority of players to demand gay romance options (which do indeed consume resources) yet it is unacceptable for me to argue against it? Somebody else suggested the idea of a "no homosexual" option at the start of the game and I fail to see anything wrong with this.

[Sharn01]

simfamSP wrote...

David Gaider has gained much respect from me from this response. Unlike some of the other devs, he expresses his opinions clearly and politely without sugar coating them. If he thinks it's wrong, by God he does say it's wrong!

I have always had a measure of respect for him, even when I have disagreed with him, but I have to admit this post increased it a notch.

[The Angry One]

Yes, because romance options interfere with level design.
God, some people..

[The Angry One]

Reconteam, you fail to see anything wrong with it because you are self-entitled, self-entitled people refuse to understand that there are things in life that exist despite your objections.

[yuncas]

Sharn01 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

David Gaider has gained much respect from me from this response. Unlike some of the other devs, he expresses his opinions clearly and politely without sugar coating them. If he thinks it's wrong, by God he does say it's wrong!

I have always had a measure of respect for him, even when I have disagreed with him, but I have to admit this post increased it a notch.

Agreed.

[Sharn01]

scyphozoa wrote...

Regardless of sexuality, romances should not be a staple of every Bioware game made, like it has been since BG2.

Like it or not though, they are a staple of bioware games since BG2, its one of the traits all BW games are known for.  Sometimes they have done them fairly well, sometimes rather poorly, but they have always been in the games. 

[City6]

Artoz96 wrote...

I really dont get it, why u make people eat gay content if they don't want it than he is bad/evil/etc.

Do you understand that it is theirs right, like it your right to demand to include gay content.

Some people (and I) just want a button to switch off gay content for their game. Ok, I understand that nobody will do it, cause a lot of people will start to cry about intolerance. Just dont script npc to propose gay sex. I dont want it at all. And it is my right.

Luckily Bioware has decided that people with the inability to accept that gay people exist in the world are frankly few and demographically unimportant.

So they aren't going to be making games to tailor to you.

As is their right. Find another games maker.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
Yes, because romance options interfere with level design.
God, some people..

Doing all of this involves time and effort that in many cases could be better used elsewhere. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. Those resources shouldn't have to be used to pander to a small percentage of players just because they now feel they are entitled to such content. Meanwhile the whole "Hawke-sexual" business makes the characters less defined and less interesting.

[The Angry One]

yuncas wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

David Gaider has gained much respect from me from this response. Unlike some of the other devs, he expresses his opinions clearly and politely without sugar coating them. If he thinks it's wrong, by God he does say it's wrong!

I have always had a measure of respect for him, even when I have disagreed with him, but I have to admit this post increased it a notch.

Agreed.

Thirded.

[Artoz96]

The Angry One wrote...

Reconteam, you fail to see anything wrong with it because you are self-entitled, self-entitled people refuse to understand that there are things in life that exist despite your objections.

Lol, and if you are better after such statements? Who are you, a judge? How can you say that person is self-entitled or not? So all persons that dont agree with your statement are self-entitled?

Sigh...  <_<

[John Epler]

I will point out that expecting us to change how we make our games because certain optional aspects of them make people uncomfortable is likely destined for disappointment. Characters are written or designed based on what the writers feel is best for those characters, and that's not going to change.

And let's also keep in mind that 'rivalry' is not a punishment. I'd wager that the majority of people on this planet have either been disappointed or disappointed someone else because advances were rejected. The character in question will quickly get over it, and you can still have them as a friendship.

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Yes, because romance options interfere with level design.
God, some people..

Doing all of this involves time and effort that in many cases could be better used elsewhere. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. Those resources shouldn't have to be used to pander to a small percentage of players just because they now feel they are entitled to such content. Meanwhile the whole "Hawke-sexual" business makes the characters less defined and less interesting.

Players like it, so it's worth it.
Just because YOU don't doesn't make it superfluous.

Using your logic - I don't play as males when given the option. Therefore, having a male protagonist option is a waste of time and effort. BioWare doesn't have unlimited resources, and there are plenty of games where you play as males. Hence, remove the male option to concentrate on levels and characters.

Modifié par The Angry One, 24 mars 2011 - 09:35 .