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[Rykoth]

Lesbians are homosexuals.

Forgive me Bioware, for I have sinned.

You are an idiot, troll.

[NotFrom4chan]

Rykoth wrote...

Lesbians are homosexuals.

Forgive me Bioware, for I have sinned.

You are an idiot, troll.

Right, I'll ask again then. Why should people react exactly the same way to female homosexuals as they do to male homosexuals?

[Rykoth]

Because its hypocritcal. They are both homosexuals. They are both equal.

If you don't like Anders hitting on you, TURN HIM DOWN. Like you know... you would in real life if someone you didn't have any interest in started hitting on you.

But to suggest that, "hey its okay for this group, but not okay for that group" is hypocritcal.

[Curlain]

Tirigon wrote...

You pervs should read this:
http://www.cracked.c...r-genitals.html

www.cracked.com/article_18957_the-8-most-awkward-sexual-moments-in-comic-book-history.html 

Thanks to that link I found this, the Batman/Superman story is hilarious I can't believe it was an actual offical comic  (admittedly it's nothing to do with the topic but nvm )

[Tirigon]

NotFrom4chan wrote...


Why should people react exactly the same way to lesbians as they do to homosexuals?

Erm.... because lesbian = female homosexual, maybe?


And YOU wonder why I calll you a troll? Good joke, man.....

[NotFrom4chan]

Rykoth wrote...

Because its hypocritcal. They are both homosexuals. They are both equal.

If you don't like Anders hitting on you, TURN HIM DOWN. Like you know... you would in real life if someone you didn't have any interest in started hitting on you.

But to suggest that, "hey its okay for this group, but not okay for that group" is hypocritcal.

Yes they are both homosexual but their difference is extremely important. Men and women are not at all equal in terms of how we relate to each.

""hey its okay for this group, but not okay for that group" is hypocritcal." That's fine, but that doesn't invalidate people's reactions to Anders. You're basically telling people it is wrong to feel a certain way. What gives you the right to dictate people's values?

[Centauri2002]

NotFrom4chan wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Lesbians are homosexuals.

Forgive me Bioware, for I have sinned.

You are an idiot, troll.

Right, I'll ask again then. Why should people react exactly the same way to female homosexuals as they do to male homosexuals?

Because we're real people too and don't merely exist to satisfy straight male fantasies, perhaps? It should be that people react the same to lesbians as they do to gay males, bisexuals, and heterosexuals. Sadly, that's not true.

[Rykoth]

Is it wrong for people to be uncomfortable that Anders hits on them?

No. Not at all. Just like it's not wrong for me to be offended if some random dude came up and hit on me.

That's not the issue. The issue is the way people are reacting to this.

Instead of saying "blah blah blah Bioware caters to the non straight gamer" what they should do instead... take that dislike of being hit on, and remember. IT'S ONLY A FREAKING GAME. And it's telling a story. And in that story, you have the choice of turning Anders down. If you can look past it, and be friends with that fine. If it feels like you want your character to now be hostile to him, do it. But don't come onto these forums and whine because a bunch of polygons shaped like a male told you that you looked rugged.

Anders hit on me. I turned him down. Guess what? He's now my Mage's best friend despite that. It's called tolerance, kid.

Modifié par Rykoth, 27 mars 2011 - 12:16 .

[valle1]

I didnt research properly before i started playing and i acidently pressed a heart while talking to Anders thinking it would give me friendship, but when i saw the flirting i had a laugh... I had to reload though since i wouldnt have any gay action, so that might make me a bit homophobic lol.

Still take it as fun and cencentrate on Isabela because she is pretty hot for a fictional woman and sure got my heart rate a bit up in the "love making" scene ;o).

My only addition to this whole debate is that a game like this shouldnt get political with every minority group covered, just keep it simple and focus on the plots... After all, isnt the D&D gaming sessions with the pals what we fondly remember when we play games like this?

[Centauri2002]

valle1 wrote...

I didnt research properly before i started playing and i acidently pressed a heart while talking to Anders thinking it would give me friendship, but when i saw the flirting i had a laugh... I had to reload though since i wouldnt have any gay action, so that might make me a bit homophobic lol.

Still take it as fun and cencentrate on Isabela because she is pretty hot for a fictional woman and sure got my heart rate a bit up in the "love making" scene ;o).

My only addition to this whole debate is that a game like this shouldnt get political with every minority group covered, just keep it simple and focus on the plots... After all, isnt the D&D gaming sessions with the pals what we fondly remember when we play games like this?

Absolutely. At least then we could play characters the way we wished without it being a political statement. >.>

[Rykoth]

valle1 wrote...

My only addition to this whole debate is that a game like this shouldnt get political with every minority group covered, just keep it simple and focus on the plots... After all, isnt the D&D gaming sessions with the pals what we fondly remember when we play games like this?

Dunno about that. In D&D my Half Orc was too busy slaughtering goblin children to worry about the politics of a city

[NotFrom4chan]

Rykoth wrote...

It's called tolerance, kid.

Right, tolerance for everyone except the people who don't toe the party line, those people can go f*ck themselves.

[NotFrom4chan]

centauri2002 wrote...

Absolutely. At least then we could play characters the way we wished without it being a political statement. >.>

That's largely my problem with this. The game itself and Bioware's PR on this issue has made it feel like this was a deliberate political act. I don't really want to have modern progressive politics shoved down my throat when I'm playing a fantasy rpg. I have reddit for that.

[Rykoth]

Right... party lines... right. Whatever that's supposed to mean.

When I say, tolerance, I mean for everyone. That also means Bioware should be able to put a game out without some homophobic adolescent raging that there's a gay guy in the game. It's called respecting your fellow human being. YOU might be straight. Fine. Go romance Isabela or Merrill. If none of the LIs interest you, don't get an LI. If a toolset is released, make your own. But how dare you try and say how Bioware should cut down the options for people with different tastes then your own.

This wasn't a political act until some little weasel came in whining that a character hit on him that he didn't have any interest in.

Modifié par Rykoth, 27 mars 2011 - 12:27 .

[Centauri2002]

NotFrom4chan wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Absolutely. At least then we could play characters the way we wished without it being a political statement. >.>

That's largely my problem with this. The game itself and Bioware's PR on this issue has made it feel like this was a deliberate political act. I don't really want to have modern progressive politics shoved down my throat when I'm playing a fantasy rpg. I have reddit for that.

I agree that no decision to include features in a game should be based on politics. That's just silly. However, due to the nature of the content, in this case, I don't think it could be avoided. They could have slipped it into the game without so much as a word about it but, because people are complaining about it, it's become political. I look forward to the day when a fuss will not be made over this. >.>

[Rykoth]

centauri2002 wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Absolutely. At least then we could play characters the way we wished without it being a political statement. >.>

That's largely my problem with this. The game itself and Bioware's PR on this issue has made it feel like this was a deliberate political act. I don't really want to have modern progressive politics shoved down my throat when I'm playing a fantasy rpg. I have reddit for that.

I agree that no decision to include features in a game should be based on politics. That's just silly. However, due to the nature of the content, in this case, I don't think it could be avoided. They could have slipped it into the game without so much as a word about it but, because people are complaining about it, it's become political. I look forward to the day when a fuss will not be made over this. >.>

Careful, he'll twist your words.

[Cpt.Thomas]

I just don't get this anymore,...i don't mean to sound rude or offensive.
But just please hear me out.
I'm just an average dude, i have a girlfriend. I love her.
I work hard and you could call me homophobic. I don't know, i was born like this....
I like to chill after work,...but nowawdays i'm confronted with gay people everywhere...even in
MY PC GAMES!!!!
what's happening???

[NotFrom4chan]

Rykoth wrote...

Careful, he'll twist your words.

Yes I am a crafty one.

[Centauri2002]

Cpt.Thomas wrote...

I just don't get this anymore,...i don't mean to sound rude or offensive.
But just please hear me out.
I'm just an average dude, i have a girlfriend. I love her.
I work hard and you could call me homophobic. I don't know, i was born like this....
I like to chill after work,...but nowawdays i'm confronted with gay people everywhere...even in
MY PC GAMES!!!!
what's happening???

Yes, we're multiplying and coming to get you! Forget reapers, forget darkspawn - the big, gay storm is approaching! >:3

[Cpt.Thomas]

Thats actually funny....(for a gay)
But seriously, Am I the only one having a problem with this?

I'm sorry i just really don't like the idea of gaying up cool games....

[Acephalorrchac]

valle1 wrote...

I didnt research properly before i started playing and i acidently pressed a heart while talking to Anders thinking it would give me friendship, but when i saw the flirting i had a laugh... I had to reload though since i wouldnt have any gay action, so that might make me a bit homophobic lol.

Still take it as fun and cencentrate on Isabela because she is pretty hot for a fictional woman and sure got my heart rate a bit up in the "love making" scene ;o).

My only addition to this whole debate is that a game like this shouldnt get political with every minority group covered, just keep it simple and focus on the plots... After all, isnt the D&D gaming sessions with the pals what we fondly remember when we play games like this?

Giving minorities options is not political, it's just fair.
What people like to call "minority groups" is just the reality of their life for other people, nothing political.
So if I play a game, I don't think "Oh, ok, they wanted to keep politics out of this, so I as a minority am left out", I just think "Hey, I can't do what I want in this game. That sucks."
That said, I don't know if Bioware had political reasons for their decisions (and neither do you), but a lot of people out there can now enjoy the game even more. I would think that's a good thing.

[NotFrom4chan]

Cpt.Thomas wrote...

I just don't get this anymore,...i don't mean to sound rude or offensive.
But just please hear me out.
I'm just an average dude, i have a girlfriend. I love her.
I work hard and you could call me homophobic. I don't know, i was born like this....
I like to chill after work,...but nowawdays i'm confronted with gay people everywhere...even in
MY PC GAMES!!!!
what's happening???

Western societies are now tolerant of *certain* aspects of sexuality (I'm not going to go into a debate about the difference between orientation and fetish), namely homosexuality in general. As this moves more towards the norm (it's not all the way there yet obviously), it will begin to be more prevalent in our cultural mediums. This is an example of that. Soon Hollywood will risk an openly gay leading man. Cartoon characters will be openly gay. That's the whole point of something being normal - it's supposed to be a part of everyday life.

Either that or Bioware were aiming for a cheap grab at controversy to boost awareness of the game.

[Centauri2002]

Cpt.Thomas wrote...

Thats actually funny....(for a gay)
But seriously, Am I the only one having a problem with this?

I'm sorry i just really don't like the idea of gaying up cool games....

I know, the fact that I'm a lesbian seriously limits my humour. I do what I can though. 

But, no, you are not alone. Many people who are accustomed to seeing only the heteronormative are shocked by being exposed to 'the gay'. This I can understand, I can even sympathise with it to a degree. It's not your fault that society has evolved the way it has, after all. But perpetuating intolerance is another matter. 

Let me put it this way, I'm exposed to straight imagery and media every single day. I'm, perhaps, a little fed up with being left on the outside and made to feel abnormal. I would like to find entertainment that caters to my needs. That said, I can still find enjoyment in a game that only depicts heterosexual romance or none at all. If the story's good, it doesn't bother me too much. It doesn't mean I should be excluded though.

There's still a huge plethora of games out there that aren't 'gayed up' so I think you're safe for now. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 27 mars 2011 - 12:45 .

[Systera]

Sorry, but this discussion is ridiculous. It's a game in a fantasy world, where everything is possible. If you don't like the characters' behaviour, attitude a.s.o, then don't play it. Nobody forces you to play this game.

[Rykoth]

Or, it's real simple:




If you get hit on, say no. But just because the option is there to cater to someone else, don't be an idiot and rage about it.