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[Lord Sullivan]

Arik7 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

It's quite ironic that while time as move forward and that heterosexuals have generaly changed their stance(leaving exeptions aside) towards homosexuality and showing basic human mutual respect to gays, now gays want more then just respect, they want heterosexuals to open up to homosuaexuality? or else you're negative towards gays?

Delusional much? or admiting that homosexuality is a choice since gay seem to believe heterosexuals can open up to homosexuality?

Are you trying to suggest that homosexuals are trying to recruit heterosexuals to join them or something?

That's... I don't even... Holy ****.

No, what I'm saying is that homosexuals do not seem to get the fact the homosexuality does not compute for heterosexuals but yet, they try to sell the idea that it should. The only way for it to compute, is to be homosexual OR Bi-sexual, other wise it will never and that is what gays are unwiling to understand/accept.

Your argument would make sense if gay romance was mandatory in the game, which it isn't. 

Well that is another argument as to how it has been handled in the game, I'm arguying the rampant negative labeling of heterosexuals who dare have an opposit oppinion.

Negative labeling?   Do you need a hug or something? 

Oh poor you, they I hurt your feelings? I'm refering the the hyperbole gay invented word "Homophobia"

[AngelicMachinery]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

No, what I'm saying is that homosexuals do not seem to get the fact the homosexuality does not compute for heterosexuals but yet, they try to sell the idea that it should. The only way for it to compute, is to be homosexual OR Bi-sexual, other wise it will never and that is what gays are unwiling to understand/accept.

Could you generalise any more than that? What one or a group of gay people might say does not count for the whole. And it still sounds like you're saying homosexuals want to make heterosexuals gay or bi in order to broker some understanding. Personally, I think there's no harm in asking for some understanding or empathy. 

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

The homosexual conspiracy is gonna getcha. 

[Centauri2002]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

No, what I'm saying is that homosexuals do not seem to get the fact the homosexuality does not compute for heterosexuals but yet, they try to sell the idea that it should. The only way for it to compute, is to be homosexual OR Bi-sexual, other wise it will never and that is what gays are unwiling to understand/accept.

Could you generalise any more than that? What one or a group of gay people might say does not count for the whole. And it still sounds like you're saying homosexuals want to make heterosexuals gay or bi in order to broker some understanding. Personally, I think there's no harm in asking for some understanding or empathy. 

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

Oh dear, you're generalising again. There are plenty of heterosexuals that have no problem with this. So what makes you different? Perhaps you need to have a think about this. 

I, for one, am not going to ostracise you for not wanting to accept my preferences in-game. You can have your opinion and you can voice them as well. But don't tar us all with the same brush. We're not victimising you.

[Lord Sullivan]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

No, what I'm saying is that homosexuals do not seem to get the fact the homosexuality does not compute for heterosexuals but yet, they try to sell the idea that it should. The only way for it to compute, is to be homosexual OR Bi-sexual, other wise it will never and that is what gays are unwiling to understand/accept.

Could you generalise any more than that? What one or a group of gay people might say does not count for the whole. And it still sounds like you're saying homosexuals want to make heterosexuals gay or bi in order to broker some understanding. Personally, I think there's no harm in asking for some understanding or empathy. 

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

The homosexual conspiracy is gonna getcha. 

lol, is that all you've got?

[Stinkface27]

moilami wrote...

Stinkface27 wrote...

Wait, am I the only person who doesn't play my protagonist as an extension of myself? You realize that just because you are a straight male gamer doesn't mean you have to be a straight male Hawke, right?

I'm pretty sure nobody's ever had sex with an alien but that didn't stop people from romancing Liara, Garrus or Tali.

Live a little!

I romanced Ashley and got a great Christian woman and spouse (Christian women are the best women) with whom we lived happily, went to Church on Sunday, and raised many kids.

Hah, so did I!

In one of about ten play throughs.

[Cadaveth]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

No offense, but could you rephrase that? I have no idea what you're saying.

[Lord Sullivan]

centauri2002 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

No, what I'm saying is that homosexuals do not seem to get the fact the homosexuality does not compute for heterosexuals but yet, they try to sell the idea that it should. The only way for it to compute, is to be homosexual OR Bi-sexual, other wise it will never and that is what gays are unwiling to understand/accept.

Could you generalise any more than that? What one or a group of gay people might say does not count for the whole. And it still sounds like you're saying homosexuals want to make heterosexuals gay or bi in order to broker some understanding. Personally, I think there's no harm in asking for some understanding or empathy. 

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

Oh dear, you're generalising again. There are plenty of heterosexuals that have no problem with this. So what makes you different? Perhaps you need to have a think about this. 

I, for one, am not going to ostracise you for not wanting to accept my preferences in-game. You can have your opinion and you can voice them as well. But don't tar us all with the same brush. We're not victimising you.

I'm not claiming to be victimized at all, I'm only expressing what I have analized in the matter of gays vs straights

[AngelicMachinery]

Lord Sullivan wrote...


lol, is that all you've got?

If I tell you  more, you might not fall to the Ultimate Pride Parade.  

Truthfully though,  you just seem difficult to take seriously.  Some of the stuff you say is weird and wild.  I say I almost doubt that it's really your oppinion.

[Riv2.0]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

No, what I'm saying is that homosexuals do not seem to get the fact the homosexuality does not compute for heterosexuals but yet, they try to sell the idea that it should. The only way for it to compute, is to be homosexual OR Bi-sexual, other wise it will never and that is what gays are unwiling to understand/accept.

Could you generalise any more than that? What one or a group of gay people might say does not count for the whole. And it still sounds like you're saying homosexuals want to make heterosexuals gay or bi in order to broker some understanding. Personally, I think there's no harm in asking for some understanding or empathy. 

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

What do you do if a man hits on you in a bar? I genuinely want to know how you react.

[Centauri2002]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

I'm not claiming to be victimized at all, I'm only expressing what I have analized in the matter of gays vs straights

See, this right here is the problem. It's not an us vs. you scenario. We're all the same, we just prefer different things. The sooner people realise this, the better. 

[Seifz]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

No, what I'm saying is that homosexuals do not seem to get the fact the homosexuality does not compute for heterosexuals but yet, they try to sell the idea that it should. The only way for it to compute, is to be homosexual OR Bi-sexual, other wise it will never and that is what gays are unwiling to understand/accept.

Could you generalise any more than that? What one or a group of gay people might say does not count for the whole. And it still sounds like you're saying homosexuals want to make heterosexuals gay or bi in order to broker some understanding. Personally, I think there's no harm in asking for some understanding or empathy. 

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

Really?  I think I'd be flattered if a gay man approached me.  I'd have to turn him down, of course, but I don't see why I would be offended just because he was attracted to me.  Why should I be?

Is your manhood insulted because someone else thought you were gay?  Is that it?

Anyway, "homophobia" is not some propoganda word that gays invented to make you look like an ass.  The term is used to describe discrimination against homosexuals and bisexuals.  I realize that this differs from some other phobias, which speak only to a fear of something, but language is ever evolving and this word has evolved to include more than just fear.  Think of it like "racism" or "sexism".

There is actually a "-ism" word here, heterosexism.

"Heterosexism is a system of attitudes, bias, and discrimination in favor of opposite-sex sexuality and relationships.[1] It can include the presumption that everyone is heterosexual or that opposite-sex attractions and relationships are the only norm[2] and therefore superior."  (Yes, Wikipedia again.  It's convenient, dammit!)

Modifié par Seifz, 27 mars 2011 - 06:39 .

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

centauri2002 wrote...

I, for one, am not going to ostracise you for not wanting to accept my preferences in-game. You can have your opinion and you can voice them as well. But don't tar us all with the same brush. We're not victimising you.

Hey, good.  Someone's close to connecting to my feelings on the matter.  Some of us heteros would rather not explore the currents and eddies of non-traditional sexual relationships in the games we pay to play.  Doesn't mean we drive by gay bars on the weekends in our pickup trucks with two-by-fours or anything. 

If my circle of acquaintance is any indication, we don't necessarily see ourselves as victims--we're just a little put off by wading through this new wave of inclusivity.  Life's too short to "put up" with things that sour a game experience for you.  One friend of mine put the game down about the time the "Everyone's Hawkesexual" stuff popped up.  (In fairness, he wasn't really impressed prior to that.)  I'm disinclined to buy the game, in some part because of the clunky way they implemented the romance options.

No protests, no cries of oppression.  But no money, either.

[Lord Sullivan]

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

No offense, but could you rephrase that? I have no idea what you're saying.

What that means is that, heterosexuals in general have a thicker skin then what homosexuals may think. Heterosexuals generaly accept gays as equals on a humanitary level and won't dismisse you because you're
gay or Bi-sexual.

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

[Cadaveth]

Seifz wrote...

Really?  I think I'd be flattered if a gay man approached me.  I'd have to turn him down, of course, but I don't see why I would be offended just because he was attracted to me.  Why should I be?

Is your manhood insulted because someone else thought you were gay?  Is that it?

I can only speak for myself, but most of my friends are heterosexual men and they're not offended by that stuff at all. One of them is especially hot and I've actually said it to him and he didn't mind at all. Usually if gay men like some straight man it means that women tend to be attracted to him too. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that.

[Seifz]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I, for one, am not going to ostracise you for not wanting to accept my preferences in-game. You can have your opinion and you can voice them as well. But don't tar us all with the same brush. We're not victimising you.

Some of us heteros would rather not explore the currents and eddies of non-traditional sexual relationships in the games we pay to play.

I still don't understand how this is any different from saying that you don't want to explore the currents and eddies of non-white companionship in the games you play.

If we have a gay toggle, then we need to have a skin-color toggle, too!  Right?!

Besides, your assertion that homosexuality is "non-traditional" is precisely what's wrong, here.  Homosexuality amongst humans has existed for as long as humans have existed.

Modifié par Seifz, 27 mars 2011 - 06:48 .

[Centauri2002]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I, for one, am not going to ostracise you for not wanting to accept my preferences in-game. You can have your opinion and you can voice them as well. But don't tar us all with the same brush. We're not victimising you.

Hey, good.  Someone's close to connecting to my feelings on the matter.  Some of us heteros would rather not explore the currents and eddies of non-traditional sexual relationships in the games we pay to play.  Doesn't mean we drive by gay bars on the weekends in our pickup trucks with two-by-fours or anything. 

If my circle of acquaintance is any indication, we don't necessarily see ourselves as victims--we're just a little put off by wading through this new wave of inclusivity.  Life's too short to "put up" with things that sour a game experience for you.  One friend of mine put the game down about the time the "Everyone's Hawkesexual" stuff popped up.  (In fairness, he wasn't really impressed prior to that.)  I'm disinclined to buy the game, in some part because of the clunky way they implemented the romance options.

No protests, no cries of oppression.  But no money, either.

This is an opinion I can truly respect. You state your point well and aren't inflammatory in the slightest.

There's probably no better way to protest content than to not hand your money over for the product. I do the same; if I'm not happy with what I see in a game, I return it. Life's too short to get worked up over every little thing that irks me. 

[Cadaveth]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

No, but people don't have "I'M GAY!!!" or "I'M STRAIGHT!!!" signs on them. I wouldn't raise hell if woman was attracted to me. I'd turn her off sure, but I don't see anything offending about that. And as I said, I don't know anyone who would be offended by gay man hitting on him.

[Centauri2002]

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

Well, if gays are asking to be respected as the humans that they are, to not be dismissed for in the social arena or business arena that is all good and well, but for gays to not accept heterosexuals to take offence by a gay approach is asking the impossible therefore buccking heads with heterosexuals.

No offense, but could you rephrase that? I have no idea what you're saying.

What that means is that, heterosexuals in general have a thicker skin then what homosexuals may think. Heterosexuals generaly accept gays as equals on a humanitary level and won't dismisse you because you're
gay or Bi-sexual.

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

I get hit on by straight men quite often. Are you saying I should have a problem with this?

[AngelicMachinery]

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

No, but people don't have "I'M GAY!!!" or "I'M STRAIGHT!!!" signs on them. I wouldn't raise hell if woman was attracted to me. I'd turn her off sure, but I don't see anything offending about that. And as I said, I don't know anyone who would be offended by gay man hitting on him.

Life would be so much easier if people did carry around those signs.

[Seifz]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

No, but people don't have "I'M GAY!!!" or "I'M STRAIGHT!!!" signs on them. I wouldn't raise hell if woman was attracted to me. I'd turn her off sure, but I don't see anything offending about that. And as I said, I don't know anyone who would be offended by gay man hitting on him.

Life would be so much easier if people did carry around those signs.

It'd be even better if they carried "I'm taken!" and "I'm single!" signs...

[Cadaveth]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

No, but people don't have "I'M GAY!!!" or "I'M STRAIGHT!!!" signs on them. I wouldn't raise hell if woman was attracted to me. I'd turn her off sure, but I don't see anything offending about that. And as I said, I don't know anyone who would be offended by gay man hitting on him.

Life would be so much easier if people did carry around those signs.

I know. Or maybe if there would be a device called Gaydar. That would be cool.

[AngelicMachinery]

Seifz wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

No, but people don't have "I'M GAY!!!" or "I'M STRAIGHT!!!" signs on them. I wouldn't raise hell if woman was attracted to me. I'd turn her off sure, but I don't see anything offending about that. And as I said, I don't know anyone who would be offended by gay man hitting on him.

Life would be so much easier if people did carry around those signs.

It'd be even better if they carried "I'm taken!" and "I'm single!" signs...

Some do!  Cladda Rings,  promise rings, engagment rings.  You just have to look at peoples hands,  I make a habbit of it.

[Centauri2002]

Cadaveth wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

No, but people don't have "I'M GAY!!!" or "I'M STRAIGHT!!!" signs on them. I wouldn't raise hell if woman was attracted to me. I'd turn her off sure, but I don't see anything offending about that. And as I said, I don't know anyone who would be offended by gay man hitting on him.

Life would be so much easier if people did carry around those signs.

I know. Or maybe if there would be a device called Gaydar. That would be cool.

Mine works just fine. People should get theirs serviced more often. 

[Lord Sullivan]

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

No, but people don't have "I'M GAY!!!" or "I'M STRAIGHT!!!" signs on them. I wouldn't raise hell if woman was attracted to me. I'd turn her off sure, but I don't see anything offending about that. And as I said, I don't know anyone who would be offended by gay man hitting on him.

Well I'm offended when that happens, not that it happens at an incredible rate, however it doesn't mean I go all Conan the Barbarian on their arses either.

But that's me, I know plenty of people that are respectful of gays/Bi and take offense at the assuption. We may not have lables attached, but very few I have not realised were gay and thought they were hetero.

[AngelicMachinery]

Cadaveth wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cadaveth wrote...

Lord Sullivan wrote...

What gays are bucking heads about is wanting heterosexuals to have no problem with being "hit on" by homosexuals... that is something that just doesn't make sense(logic). As to how heterosexuals react to it can be different from person to person, but one cannot expect it to be all pink roses.

No, but people don't have "I'M GAY!!!" or "I'M STRAIGHT!!!" signs on them. I wouldn't raise hell if woman was attracted to me. I'd turn her off sure, but I don't see anything offending about that. And as I said, I don't know anyone who would be offended by gay man hitting on him.

Life would be so much easier if people did carry around those signs.

I know. Or maybe if there would be a device called Gaydar. That would be cool.

My "Gaydar" doesn't work to well...