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[The Angry One]

Artoz96 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Reconteam, you fail to see anything wrong with it because you are self-entitled, self-entitled people refuse to understand that there are things in life that exist despite your objections.

Lol, and if you are better after such statements? Who are you, a judge? How can you say that person is self-entitled or not? So all persons that dont agree with your statement are self-entitled?

Sigh...  <_<

You can disagree all you like. Just don't expect to have the game give you an option to ignore everything you don't like.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
Reconteam, you fail to see anything wrong with it because you are self-entitled, self-entitled people refuse to understand that there are things in life that exist despite your objections.

You shouldn't be speaking of entitlement. You expect Bioware to provide such content and if they don't you see it is some sort of offense and start shouting about bigotry, homophobia, and similar nonsense. Meanwhile you have the nerve to insult and attack players who don't want to deal with any of this.

Of course there is stuff in the world I don't like. Clearly you don't like everything in the world either. Yet I have every right to my own opinions and am not required to cave into everyone's demands. The same applies to yourself.

[v_ware]

ReconTeam wrote...

v_ware wrote...
Since when is "Jew" a race then? It doesn't matter: Black: skincolour, Gay: Sexuality, Jew: Religion. If you're different you get ignorance and hate. That's always the same.

Now you are making it sound like you want a "No sex" button in this game. Make up your mind.

Judaism is indeed a religion but the Jewish people are their own race. Frankly talking about "ignorance" and "hate" means nothing. The fact of the matter is that some gay players wanted gay LIs. They got it and it was taken a step further in DA2 by making all of the LIs bisexual which makes the party feel poorly defined. It is perfectly acceptable for a small minority of players to demand gay romance options (which do indeed consume resources) yet it is unacceptable for me to argue against it? Somebody else suggested the idea of a "no homosexual" option at the start of the game and I fail to see anything wrong with this.

WRONG:Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common
ancestry.  

And if you are hating something don't come back later on saying: 'Oh I wasn't hating because it's "illdefined" and "means nothing."

And once again...

One...
More...
Time...

A "No homosexual" button is incredibly offensive. It's like I proposed: I want a "No blacks" option in every video game I have. I don't want to be confronted by somebody black coming up to me and talking to me.

If you don't get this incredibly simple analogy you are trully lost.

Modifié par v_ware, 24 mars 2011 - 09:37 .

[Mooh Bear]

Artoz96 wrote...

I really dont get it, why u make people eat gay content if they don't want it than he is bad/evil/etc.

Do you understand that it is theirs right, like it your right to demand to include gay content.

Some people (and I) just want a button to switch off gay content for their game. Ok, I understand that nobody will do it, cause a lot of people will start to cry about intolerance. Just dont script npc to propose gay sex. I dont want it at all. And it is my right.

You mean, like you think it is your right to not have to deal with black, poor or disabled people because they make you uncomfortable/inconvenience you? Because that's exactly what you're saying. Unless, for some reasons, homosexuals are special?

Modifié par Mooh Bear, 24 mars 2011 - 09:37 .

[City6]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Yes, because romance options interfere with level design.
God, some people..

Doing all of this involves time and effort that in many cases could be better used elsewhere. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. Those resources shouldn't have to be used to pander to a small percentage of players just because they now feel they are entitled to such content. Meanwhile the whole "Hawke-sexual" business makes the characters less defined and less interesting.

The way you've tried to make a post about heterosexist privilege about gay people feeling "entitled" is some of the most ridiculously intellectually barren nonsense I've read on here today.

And I've read the thread about sales figures.


You haven't grasped the concept of "privilege". I recommend you stop posting, sti down and think about it properly, then start posting again. You're not grasping the basic arguements being discussed here.

Modifié par City6, 24 mars 2011 - 09:37 .

[Captain Jazz]

Personally, I think we should have a button to turn off the option for rogues to use bows because I use daggers and find bows offensive. Clearly the only way to avoid having bows forced on me is to remove the option. It's the only way!

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

And let's also keep in mind that 'rivalry' is not a punishment.

It's red. And it's numbers.

[yuncas]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Yes, because romance options interfere with level design.
God, some people..

Doing all of this involves time and effort that in many cases could be better used elsewhere. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. Those resources shouldn't have to be used to pander to a small percentage of players just because they now feel they are entitled to such content. Meanwhile the whole "Hawke-sexual" business makes the characters less defined and less interesting.

 
To  you they are less interesting. I got along crazy good with Fenris and we didn't bump uglys or even, tee-hee, kiss. Crazy how you have the choice to not do that sorta thing if you don't want to.

[Icinix]

You know...apart from the issue with Anders not having a let down easy option ...I couldn't care less..

The only romance difference I wished theyd had was Merrils personality with Isabelas body....man...that would be so awesome.

[Artoz96]

Luckily Bioware has decided that people with the inability to accept that gay people exist in the world are frankly few and demographically unimportant.

So they aren't going to be making games to tailor to you.

As is their right. Find another games maker.

[/quote]

You gave me a very good advice, and I turn it to you. If you want gay content go some other game. And if you dont like what I am saying... go some other forum :innocent:

[Mr.House]

The Angry One wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Yes, because romance options interfere with level design.
God, some people..

Doing all of this involves time and effort that in many cases could be better used elsewhere. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. Those resources shouldn't have to be used to pander to a small percentage of players just because they now feel they are entitled to such content. Meanwhile the whole "Hawke-sexual" business makes the characters less defined and less interesting.

Players like it, so it's worth it.
Just because YOU don't doesn't make it superfluous.

Using your logic - I don't play as males when given the option. Therefore, having a male protagonist option is a waste of time and effort. BioWare doesn't have unlimited resources, and there are plenty of games where you play as males. Hence, remove the male option to concentrate on levels and characters.

This!

Good to have you back Angry one.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Angry One wrote...
Using your logic - I don't play as males when given the option. Therefore, having a male protagonist option is a waste of time and effort. BioWare doesn't have unlimited resources, and there are plenty of games where you play as males. Hence, remove the male option to concentrate on levels and characters.

Well then go ahead and argue you don't want that. Of course considering a majority of players play as a Male Hawke there isn't much of an argument there.

[Galad22]

ReconTeam wrote...

Doing all of this involves time and effort that in many cases could be better used elsewhere. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. Those resources shouldn't have to be used to pander to a small percentage of players just because they now feel they are entitled to such content. Meanwhile the whole "Hawke-sexual" business makes the characters less defined and less interesting.

You seem to assume only gay and bi people want these on bioware games. You would be wrong. Most people just aren't bothered with this anymore.

I mean it's year 2011, not 1970.

[Sharn01]

ReconTeam wrote...

v_ware wrote...
Since when is "Jew" a race then? It doesn't matter: Black: skincolour, Gay: Sexuality, Jew: Religion. If you're different you get ignorance and hate. That's always the same.

Now you are making it sound like you want a "No sex" button in this game. Make up your mind.

Judaism is indeed a religion but the Jewish people are their own race. Frankly talking about "ignorance" and "hate" means nothing. The fact of the matter is that some gay players wanted gay LIs. They got it and it was taken a step further in DA2 by making all of the LIs bisexual which makes the party feel poorly defined. It is perfectly acceptable for a small minority of players to demand gay romance options (which do indeed consume resources) yet it is unacceptable for me to argue against it? Somebody else suggested the idea of a "no homosexual" option at the start of the game and I fail to see anything wrong with this.

There is no jewish race, you are mistaken, any jew may become a citizen of Izrael, its not a question of birth but of faith.

How does the party become poorly defined when the very few available love interests are bi, the game never says that everyone is bi, and being bi can be just as defining of their character as being straight?

David Gaider has specifically said that adding bisexual romanced cost next to nothing, the voice actor is already paid for, the scenes are already created, it takes next to no effort to add them to the game.  The only thing that has stopped it in the past is the fear of upsetting people like you. 

I am still wondering where this constantly being hit on thing comes from also, I think I recall Anders hitting on me once, if he did so again I must not of caught it, I just chose not to select the big giant heart icon when talking to Anders, Isabelle or Fenris.

[City6]

Artoz96 wrote...


Luckily Bioware has decided that people with the inability to accept that gay people exist in the world are frankly few and demographically unimportant.

So they aren't going to be making games to tailor to you.

As is their right. Find another games maker.


You gave me a very good advice, and I turn it to you. If you want gay content go some other game. And if you dont like what I am saying... go some other forum :innocent:

That makes no sense, as it's been established that Bioware *does* cater to all tastes. I'm fine with what they've done.


You're the one who doesn't want the facts to interfere with your gameplay.

[Monsteroids]

I propose a 'WASP' mode. Omits gays, jews, catholics, poor people, swearing, and anyone who fails the paper bag test.

I kid, but if there is ever another South Park game I'll make a serious proposal for that.

Modifié par Monsteroids, 24 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[The Angry One]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Reconteam, you fail to see anything wrong with it because you are self-entitled, self-entitled people refuse to understand that there are things in life that exist despite your objections.

You shouldn't be speaking of entitlement. You expect Bioware to provide such content and if they don't you see it is some sort of offense and start shouting about bigotry, homophobia, and similar nonsense. Meanwhile you have the nerve to insult and attack players who don't want to deal with any of this.

Of course there is stuff in the world I don't like. Clearly you don't like everything in the world either. Yet I have every right to my own opinions and am not required to cave into everyone's demands. The same applies to yourself.

I have not insulted you, I have stated what you appear to be because you refuse to even tolerate the idea of homosexuality.
You have a right to your opinions, and you have the right to totally bypass any homosexual relationship.
I ask yet again. Why is this not enough for you?

[Inquisitor Recon]

City6 wrote...
You haven't grasped the concept of "privilege". I recommend you stop posting, sti down and think about it properly, then start posting again. You're not grasping the basic arguements being discussed here.

No you need to sit back, look around in the culture you've grown up in, and then get back to me about "privilege". You think Bioware owes you such content when the real world doesn't work that way. Nobody owes you, or owes me anything.

[Mr.House]

I don't see why it bugs people that much. Oh noes Anders flirted with my male Hawke *cries*

[City6]

Galad22 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Doing all of this involves time and effort that in many cases could be better used elsewhere. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. Those resources shouldn't have to be used to pander to a small percentage of players just because they now feel they are entitled to such content. Meanwhile the whole "Hawke-sexual" business makes the characters less defined and less interesting.

You seem to assume only gay and bi people want these on bioware games. You would be wrong. Most people just aren't bothered with this anymore.

I mean it's year 2011, not 1970.

Exactly. I'm straight as straight can be, but I loved the same-sex romances.


In real life I'm also not - SHOCK HORROR - a wizard.

[Mooh Bear]

Monsteroids wrote...

I propose a 'WASP' mode. Omits gays, jews, catholics, poor people, swearing, and anyone who fails the paper bag test.

I'm gonna regret this, what is the paper bag test?

[City6]

ReconTeam wrote...

City6 wrote...
You haven't grasped the concept of "privilege". I recommend you stop posting, sti down and think about it properly, then start posting again. You're not grasping the basic arguements being discussed here.

No you need to sit back, look around in the culture you've grown up in, and then get back to me about "privilege". You think Bioware owes you such content when the real world doesn't work that way. Nobody owes you, or owes me anything.

I'm not being mean, I'm being honest. The concept of "heterosexist privilege" is a complicated one, and has been written about in universities for a good 30 years. And you're not getting it.

[demodar]

Lets say that probably the only reason Fenris is interested in romance is because you kind of saved his life few times and he have special feelings for you
Isabela is sexual addict as we all agree on i think.
Andres is total creep he would sleep with a goat to blow up the chantry coz he is on fade drugs provided by his dealer Justice

[Monsteroids]

Mooh Bear wrote...

Monsteroids wrote...

I propose a 'WASP' mode. Omits gays, jews, catholics, poor people, swearing, and anyone who fails the paper bag test.

I'm gonna regret this, what is the paper bag test?

Wiki:
Paper bag parties were 20th-century African-American social
events at which only individuals with complexions at least as light as
the color of a brown paper bag were admitted. The term also refers to larger issues of class and caste within the African-American population.

Modifié par Monsteroids, 24 mars 2011 - 09:44 .

[Captain Jazz]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Using your logic - I don't play as males when given the option. Therefore, having a male protagonist option is a waste of time and effort. BioWare doesn't have unlimited resources, and there are plenty of games where you play as males. Hence, remove the male option to concentrate on levels and characters.

Well then go ahead and argue you don't want that. Of course considering a majority of players play as a Male Hawke there isn't much of an argument there.

A majority of players play as a male Hawke? Are you absolutely certain about that? What are the numbers? What are your sources? Did you study this yourself? What is your sample size? Are you including those who play as both genders in this or only those who play exclusively male characters?