Seifz wrote...
moilami wrote...
the_one_54321 wrote...
Whether or not homosexuality is natural is thoroughly unimportant in the face of the much larger and much easier to answer question of whether or not homosexuals are people.
Are homosexuals people? Do they deserve the same rights and treatment as people?
Simple as that.
They have almost the same rights. They should be able to marry, for whatever it is worth. I have refused to marry myself.
Not really. In most states in the US, it's still legal to deny someone a job or a home based on sexual orientation. Without the right to marry, or even enter into a common law marriage, they don't have the right to share income for tax purposes, to make important medical decisions for each other, etc. Frequently, gay couples are denied adoptions for no reason other than that they're gay and this is still legal.
Even if they had the same legal rights, we'll need to work on ensuring that they're equal in society. We're still a long ways off from that.
However if the church arranges marriages then in theory church could say they don't arrange homosexual marriage. But in the proper system church could then be maybe sued of discriminating homosexuals.
No, I don't think so. If a church wants to deny homosexuality, so be it. Who wants to get married in a church full of bigots anyway? I guess they might be in legal trouble if they're enjoying a tax exempt status and they're caught discriminating, but more likely than not any official marriage equality bill would provide exemptions for that anyway. Oh, well.
Marriage needs to divorce from religion. If it's going to provide legal benefits, then it needs to be a legal arrangement. You're free to have your fancy religious ceremonies to celebrate.
Oh, in Finland homosexuals can marry, but not in a church. They do it in one state department. Those who do not belong to church do it in the same department. Both groups then get benefits of marriage like they would had been married by church.
Not long time ago one magazine hired a new chief journalist, who happened to be homosexual, and then fired her because of that (never though admitted homosexuality was the reason). She sued and won and got tons of money.
Adaptation etc. is a little bit complicated thing since it affects third party, so to say. A child. A child can be bullied a lot by other kids if he have homosexual parents. However kids can be bullied by other kids for whatever reason or no reason at all, so it hardly counts.
Sorry to say this, and even more so because this is no sarcasm, but your country sucks.
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