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[Everwarden]

Lithuasil wrote...
Do I really have to explain this again? Really?

Ah. This must be the argument you think I was trying to avoid. Nope, just failed to keep up with the thread. I'll address your post, since you seem so very hurt that I didn't. 

If you honestly hate on DA2, because it was a railroad, as opposed to Origins (or for that matter any bioware game ever) you are either flatout trolling, or your mind is clouded by layers of nostalgia and denial so thick, nothing, no hard fact and not even my considerable eloquency will be able to penetrate them.

There is a difference between the railroading in DA2 and DAO. In DAO you get to the same climax every time (dead Archdemon), but everything surrounding that is left nebulous. The armies at your back, the one who kills the Archdemon, whether the person who killed the archdemon lives, this is all left up to you. You learn the fate of the various groups you interacted with throughout the game, and the entire experience feels complete, polished, and custom to the choices made by your specific Warden.

Let's compare that to DA2. What can you change? Well, you can kill a couple of your followers. That's about it. Everything else is set in stone. You kill both bosses, you end up with a hazy "..I'unno where Hawke went. Oh, and the Circles rebelled." ending, and you see Leliana. The End. Credits rolls. 

If you hate on DA2, because you honestly believe that the relationships to your companions were steps backwards from "here have a present, now go wuv me", then, and believe me I hate saying something like this, please turn off your pc, stay away from sharp objects and get help.

Gifts were a poorly implemented idea. The characters are still far better and the relationships with them are still far more fleshed out than in DA2. 

For someone who is so personally offended by me calling someone a troll, you sure like flinging insults.

DA2 is by no means perfect - I've been saying this several times. But any discussion I could have with you, is completely pointless until you are again within the scope of reason and human communication.

...u mad?

[Lithuasil]

ziloe wrote...

These are two entirely different threads. One is about gaming standards and the other is about alternate endings and railroading plots.

Except for that both threads are about you hating on a game for virtually no reason other then that it didn't turn out what you wanted it to be, and jumping to the throats of everyone in disagreement in a more or less civilized manner.

Games not turning out the way you imagined them sucks. I know that, I know it well. But "Your expectations" ™ is NOT a universally accepted measurement scale for games. So either stop projecting and judge the game on the basis of what it actually is, or keep hating it, but do it quiet.
Deal?

[lx_theo]

ziloe wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

ziloe wrote...
LOL! Or you're just overthinking. That topic had just inspired what I had been thinking for some time and thus to express that example, I used it in the thread title.

So what inspired the exact same thread you made like two days ago? And how does expressing it in a second thread make your points anymore valid? 

These are two entirely different threads. One is about gaming standards and the other is about alternate endings and railroading plots.

So basically your just whining? Okay, that would make sense.

[nicodeemus327]

Lithuasil wrote...

But "Your expectations" ™ is NOT a universally accepted measurement scale for games.

Well said.

[ziloe]

Lithuasil wrote...

ziloe wrote...

These are two entirely different threads. One is about gaming standards and the other is about alternate endings and railroading plots.

Except for that both threads are about you hating on a game for virtually no reason other then that it didn't turn out what you wanted it to be, and jumping to the throats of everyone in disagreement in a more or less civilized manner.

LOL! I love how you say I'm jumping down peoples throats, and yet I'm being more or less civilized.

Games not turning out the way you imagined them sucks. I know that, I know it well. But "Your expectations" ™ is NOT a universally accepted measurement scale for games. So either stop projecting and judge the game on the basis of what it actually is, or keep hating it, but do it quiet.
Deal?

You still don't get it. Watch their interviews, watch their two, one hour long live feeds - and then tell me it was just being full of hype, and not because I and many others were mislead into believing something the game is not. 

[Knal1991]

ziloe wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

ziloe wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Obvious hate attack on another person who disagrees. Reported.

It's a hate thread now? Because I gave an opposite opinion? Lol, wow....

No, because you made a whole thread to attack a person about having a different opinion than you.

No I didn't. It was just the perfect example to express how many people think this game is fantastic, despite all of its flaws.

Shouldn't even bother to post in this thread but whtver,  Despite scores being ridicously high (but also ridicously low at some) ....

I did and still am enjoying this game tremendously, I usually don't bother to play a game if it isn't interesting or good enough, Considering I am now nearing end game I can safely say that this is indeed a good game, it might not be the best out there but it's certainly good enough for me...

This is my opinion, You say in this very thread that you claim to be just giving your opinion and for that it should not be reported, yet however the  sole thing about your first post in this thread, is attacking a single person person becuase he has a different opinion then you...

Hope you can grasp the definition of an opinion...

EDIT: I do agree that many things promised to us were not delivered, that however is ones own doing... blindly trusting people is never good...

Modifié par Knal1991, 24 mars 2011 - 08:52 .

[Everwarden]

Lithuasil wrote...
Games not turning out the way you imagined them sucks. I know that, I know it well. But "Your expectations" ™ is NOT a universally accepted measurement scale for games.

But Bioware set certain expectations before the game launched, and didn't live up to them. It isn't about his personal gripes, it's about Bioware misrepresenting a product. 

So either stop projecting and judge the game on the basis of what it actually is, or keep hating it, but do it quiet.
Deal?

This reminds me a bit of Cartman on his trike with a police hat on. Sorry, no one is going to respect your authoritah. 

[ziloe]

Knal1991 wrote...

ziloe wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

ziloe wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Obvious hate attack on another person who disagrees. Reported.

It's a hate thread now? Because I gave an opposite opinion? Lol, wow....

No, because you made a whole thread to attack a person about having a different opinion than you.

No I didn't. It was just the perfect example to express how many people think this game is fantastic, despite all of its flaws.

Shouldn't even bother to post in this thread but whtver,  Despite scores being ridicously high (but also ridicously low at some) ....

I did and still am enjoying this game tremendously, I usually don't bother to play a game if it isn't interesting or good enough, Considering I am now nearing end game I can safely say that this is indeed a good game, it might not be the best out there but it's certainly good enough for me...

This is my opinion, You say in this very thread that you claim to be just giving your opinion and for that it should not be reported, yet however the  sole thing about your first post in this thread, is attacking a single person person becuase he has a different opinion then you...

Hope you can grasp the definition of an opinion...

Gawd, I'm not even attacking that person! Their name isn't even in the title. It's a thread name that comments on what some believe to be an understated masterpiece. There are plenty of people who have complained about this game, the difference is that there are also those who attack us for having a difference of opinion and try to prove us wrong. 

It has been stated very clearly in an interview that EA wanted this game out fast, because they wanted to monopolize on the franchise. People are saying this game is great, when it could be better. The problem isn't any individual, it's the low standards that people are keeping in their mentality that is telling EA and the Dev team that what they did was perfectly okay!

[Lithuasil]

ziloe wrote...
You still don't get it. Watch their interviews, watch their two, one hour long live feeds - and then tell me it was just being full of hype, and not because I and many others were mislead into believing something the game is not. 

They could have told you that Dragon Age 2 gives blowjobs and lays golden eggs. Go write the marketing department hatemail if you must. It has *no* influence on the quality of your game. 
Seriously, if the quality of a game was measured by hype vs reality, playing a Fable game would be slightly less enjoyable then being cremated alive. With a lighter. If (what I doubt, but cannot judge) they indeed promised that much, blame them, talk to them. What you're doing here, is telling us we only thought we enjoyed the excellent game that they delivered because you bought into the hype and thought it'd be even better.

[ziloe]

Lithuasil wrote...

ziloe wrote...
You still don't get it. Watch their interviews, watch their two, one hour long live feeds - and then tell me it was just being full of hype, and not because I and many others were mislead into believing something the game is not. 

They could have told you that Dragon Age 2 gives blowjobs and lays golden eggs. Go write the marketing department hatemail if you must. It has *no* influence on the quality of your game. 
Seriously, if the quality of a game was measured by hype vs reality, playing a Fable game would be slightly less enjoyable then being cremated alive. With a lighter. If (what I doubt, but cannot judge) they indeed promised that much, blame them, talk to them. What you're doing here, is telling us we only thought we enjoyed the excellent game that they delivered because you bought into the hype and thought it'd be even better.

Read my above statement.

[ziloe]

Everwarden wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
Games not turning out the way you imagined them sucks. I know that, I know it well. But "Your expectations" ™ is NOT a universally accepted measurement scale for games.

But Bioware set certain expectations before the game launched, and didn't live up to them. It isn't about his personal gripes, it's about Bioware misrepresenting a product. 

So either stop projecting and judge the game on the basis of what it actually is, or keep hating it, but do it quiet.
Deal?

This reminds me a bit of Cartman on his trike with a police hat on. Sorry, no one is going to respect your authoritah. 

Thank you. I'm glad someone understands. 

[Lithuasil]

ziloe wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

ziloe wrote...
You still don't get it. Watch their interviews, watch their two, one hour long live feeds - and then tell me it was just being full of hype, and not because I and many others were mislead into believing something the game is not. 

They could have told you that Dragon Age 2 gives blowjobs and lays golden eggs. Go write the marketing department hatemail if you must. It has *no* influence on the quality of your game. 
Seriously, if the quality of a game was measured by hype vs reality, playing a Fable game would be slightly less enjoyable then being cremated alive. With a lighter. If (what I doubt, but cannot judge) they indeed promised that much, blame them, talk to them. What you're doing here, is telling us we only thought we enjoyed the excellent game that they delivered because you bought into the hype and thought it'd be even better.

Read my above statement.

I fail to see how that changes anything. *We* are telling the devteam the simple truth, that they made their best game to date, and how they can improve their work further. You're telling them they should all jump off a bridge. Which attitude do you think will heed better results - constructive criticism or overreactive unadulterated rage?

[lx_theo]

Here are your two options.

one

You're either attacking a single person because such a small group on here says that its anything near a masterpiece that the comments would have to be attacking the individual or that small group.

Or two

Your attacking people who thought positively of the game. Which is a much, much larger group than the last one, an has to do with opinion, which is there's to make, not yours to tell them they are wrong for having.

[Everwarden]

Lithuasil wrote...
 *We* are telling the devteam the simple truth, that they made their best game to date, and how they can improve their work further.

Ever seen Howard the Duck? I think that's a movie you'd love if your cinematic standards are as high as your game standards. 

[Bathead]

Everwarden wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
 *We* are telling the devteam the simple truth, that they made their best game to date, and how they can improve their work further.

Ever seen Howard the Duck? I think that's a movie you'd love if your cinematic standards are as high as your game standards. 

Where do you get off declaring your standards are superior to someone elses? That is the height of arrogance and hubris.

[ziloe]

Lithuasil wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

ziloe wrote...
You still don't get it. Watch their interviews, watch their two, one hour long live feeds - and then tell me it was just being full of hype, and not because I and many others were mislead into believing something the game is not. 

They could have told you that Dragon Age 2 gives blowjobs and lays golden eggs. Go write the marketing department hatemail if you must. It has *no* influence on the quality of your game. 
Seriously, if the quality of a game was measured by hype vs reality, playing a Fable game would be slightly less enjoyable then being cremated alive. With a lighter. If (what I doubt, but cannot judge) they indeed promised that much, blame them, talk to them. What you're doing here, is telling us we only thought we enjoyed the excellent game that they delivered because you bought into the hype and thought it'd be even better.

Read my above statement.

I fail to see how that changes anything. *We* are telling the devteam the simple truth, that they made their best game to date, and how they can improve their work further. You're telling them they should all jump off a bridge. Which attitude do you think will heed better results - constructive criticism or overreactive unadulterated rage?

Oh yes, because I've totally been flinging out unadulterated rage. Gawd, stop throwing around big words to sound like a suedo intellectual. I've put my stuff out there, risking even my EA account. It's even been reported in another article that someone else complained about this game and was banned, thus being unable to access the game they bought. So, don't tell me I'm not allowed to be upset because I preordered the special edition, for a game I was looking forward to, and not because of the hype, but because I was looking forward to seeing a revolution of storylines and gameplay like the Devs had been boasting for months.

[nicodeemus327]

Everwarden wrote...

Ever seen Howard the Duck? I think that's a movie you'd love if your cinematic standards are as high as your game standards.

Have you read the Howard the Duck comics? They are a pretty solid social satire.

This example seem to be on par with your posting history. You take a few small details and generalize to an asinine degree. You assume your limited experience with something is the same experience everyone else had.

EDIT: Fixed quotes.

Modifié par nicodeemus327, 24 mars 2011 - 09:12 .

[Everwarden]

Bathead wrote...
Where do you get off declaring your standards are superior to someone elses? That is the height of arrogance and hubris.

Entirely true. Twilight is equal to Romeo and Juliet, because it's all subjective and declaring that your standards are superior is the height of arrogance. 

Though snarky reply aside, I meant that mostly tongue-in-cheek. 

[ziloe]

lx_theo wrote...

Here are your two options.

one

You're either attacking a single person because such a small group on here says that its anything near a masterpiece that the comments would have to be attacking the individual or that small group.

Or two

Your attacking people who thought positively of the game. Which is a much, much larger group than the last one, an has to do with opinion, which is there's to make, not yours to tell them they are wrong for having.

Or three, I just don't want to see the same mistakes made in the third installment and all because people were perfectly satisfied with a lackluster design. It's hard enough finding games these days that are actually good. And finding RPGs that I actually want to play.

Western games are many of the time, too easy. And mostly because the developers don't think Americans are smart enough to handle anything more complicated than your typical God of War, hack and slash storyline.

Modifié par ziloe, 24 mars 2011 - 09:13 .

[Lithuasil]

ziloe wrote...
Oh yes, because I've totally been flinging out unadulterated rage. Gawd, stop throwing around big words to sound like a suedo intellectual. I've put my stuff out there, risking even my EA account. It's even been reported in another article that someone else complained about this game and was banned, thus being unable to access the game they bought. So, don't tell me I'm not allowed to be upset because I preordered the special edition, for a game I was looking forward to, and not because of the hype, but because I was looking forward to seeing a revolution of storylines and gameplay like the Devs had been boasting for months.

You know, as far as AAA titles go, DA2 *is* a positive revolution :|
(and technically, insulting someones intellect or education without knowing them, is a pretty good way to appear a fool, at least to said person. What it hardly ever does is helping your argument along, especially when in doing so, you commit the very sin you're accused of)

[ziloe]

Lithuasil wrote...

ziloe wrote...
Oh yes, because I've totally been flinging out unadulterated rage. Gawd, stop throwing around big words to sound like a suedo intellectual. I've put my stuff out there, risking even my EA account. It's even been reported in another article that someone else complained about this game and was banned, thus being unable to access the game they bought. So, don't tell me I'm not allowed to be upset because I preordered the special edition, for a game I was looking forward to, and not because of the hype, but because I was looking forward to seeing a revolution of storylines and gameplay like the Devs had been boasting for months.

You know, as far as AAA titles go, DA2 *is* a positive revolution :|
(and technically, insulting someones intellect or education without knowing them, is a pretty good way to appear a fool, at least to said person. What it hardly ever does is helping your argument along, especially when in doing so, you commit the very sin you're accused of)

You know what, just get back to me after you watch the interviews. That way we can at least see each other eye to eye and you can see where I'm coming from.

[vekkth]

this thread is a classic example of how you can go from a taste discussion into a personal attacks.
bravo, author, your social standards are, indeed, spectacular.

[ziloe]

vekkth wrote...

this thread is a classic example of how you can go from a taste discussion into a personal attacks.
bravo, author, your social standards are, indeed, spectacular.

It could have been perfectly fine, had a few people not misinterpreted the intentions.

[Lithuasil]

ziloe wrote...

You know what, just get back to me after you watch the interviews. That way we can at least see each other eye to eye and you can see where I'm coming from.

Believe me, it'd take years to bring us to an eye to eye level in an intellectual discussion.
That being said - did the quality of Dead Space 2 change because "your mom won't like it?". You can argue that the marketing, or even the interviews with the actual dev team were overblown, or outright lies. For all I know (and care) you might even be right. That. has. no. whatsoever. impact. on the games actual objective quality, as in the quality of the product that you can buy from the shelf. Your criticism, if it is indeed what you claim it to be, is entirely misdirected, and reaching the entirely wrong audience.

[Knal1991]

It's your responsibility as the one who made the thread to make your intent clear, not for those who read it to guess your intent... >_>