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[Darth Krytie]

Don't feel too bad...there's not a normal man to romance either. Fenris with his many issues and Anders....oh, my beautiful, screwed up Anders...(of course, I romanced Fenris on my second mage playthrough and Anders for my Templar playthrough because I like my life extra difficult) Or, apparently, you can do a whole chaste thing with Sebastien...O.o. Anyhow, there's no normal romance options at all for anyone. But, on the other hand, Hawke's life is far too crazy for someone sane.

[Sarah1281]

fluorine7 wrote...
I don't think Aveline is normal. She's raised like a boy, take a career that normally suited for man. Married young but lost husband to a tragedy, become gaurd captain of a major city, get involved in all kinds of crazy adventure with Hawk, married again with her employee.... 

Compare to that, I'd say a pirate **** who sleeps around is a lot more normal. 

Marrying young does not make one abnormal. Losing a husband in battle (or because of wounds/infections related to that) is also not abnormal. In fact, those are really really normal things.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'raised like a boy.' And in Ferelden if not the rest of Thedas (and since Aveline was raised in Ferelden that's what counts), women soldiers are nothing unusual even though there are more male soldiers than female soldiers.

Becoming the guard captain of a major city is unusual only in that it can logically happen to a very small percentage of people but I still wouldn't call it abnormal.

[Gamer Ftw]

Normal people are boring I want sexy people with angsty broody rebel issues.

[Vhalkyrie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

fluorine7 wrote...
I don't think Aveline is normal. She's raised like a boy, take a career that normally suited for man. Married young but lost husband to a tragedy, become gaurd captain of a major city, get involved in all kinds of crazy adventure with Hawk, married again with her employee.... 

Compare to that, I'd say a pirate **** who sleeps around is a lot more normal. 

Marrying young does not make one abnormal. Losing a husband in battle (or because of wounds/infections related to that) is also not abnormal. In fact, those are really really normal things.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'raised like a boy.' And in Ferelden if not the rest of Thedas (and since Aveline was raised in Ferelden that's what counts), women soldiers are nothing unusual even though there are more male soldiers than female soldiers.

Becoming the guard captain of a major city is unusual only in that it can logically happen to a very small percentage of people but I still wouldn't call it abnormal.

In DAO, if you play a female human Cousland, your brother's Orlesian wife makes a comment to that affect.  "Orlesian women wear silk and perfume, not play boy games with swords."  Before the Howe's attack, your mother makes a comment about needing to put down the armor and start looking for a husband because that's what she did.  When the Howe's attack, your mother gets in her armor and bow, and wallops soldiers with you. 

Fereldan ladies are tough warrior maidens!  I agree, Aveline is very "Fereldan".

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 24 mars 2011 - 09:06 .

[Wulfram]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

In DAO, if you play a female human Cousland, your brother's Orlesian wife makes a comment to that affect.  "Orlesian women wear silk and perfume, not play boy games with swords." 

Fergus Cousland's wife is Antivan, not Orlesian.  The Orlesians have at least some tradition of female warriors, since the original Aveline

[Wolfspite]

What seems to have been missed here is that there is one very 'normal' woman in the game of Hawke's age, his sister Bethany. She is attractive, sane and down to earth, how about that for a whole new concept for Bioware to deal with, a bit of incest for people to consider!!

[Kawamura]

Jarumda wrote...

Was disappointed that Aveline isn't romanceable, imo she'd be the obvious choice for my Hawke.
I totally understand that Isabela lives her life like she sees fit, and thats all fair and good, but I wouldn't date a woman with such a casual view on intimacy in real life, and since I model my RPG charecters after my real self, I won't date her in the game either.
Merril... sure, she's adorable... and incrediably immature, annoying and self-rightous... the good just doesn't outweigh the bad imo.

I actually got the feeling that Merril had quite some maturity going on.

She -- It's under the adorableness. But she has a few lines about a lack of certainity and her relationship with spirits that I thought were rather mature.

[Vhalkyrie]

Wulfram wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

In DAO, if you play a female human Cousland, your brother's Orlesian wife makes a comment to that affect.  "Orlesian women wear silk and perfume, not play boy games with swords." 

Fergus Cousland's wife is Antivan, not Orlesian.  The Orlesians have at least some tradition of female warriors, since the original Aveline

Sorry, you're right.  I'll have to check later whether she makes the comment about Orlesian or Antivan women, but whatever the case, she makes a disapproving comment to fem Cousland about being a warrior/rogue.

The story about Orlesian female warriors is uncommon.  The story of Aveline's namesake was the unusual rise of a female Orlesian warrior, not too unlike a Thedas Joan of Arc.  It is not common. According to Leliana, Orlesian women are more likely to be assassins and bards.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 24 mars 2011 - 09:15 .

[Sarah1281]

And the Antivans have female Crows.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

None of them are normal.

You have a terrorist, a blood mage, a selfish pirate, a chaste priest, and a angry ex-slave.

Varric and Aveline were the only normal ones.

[Forst1999]

Hardly any female Bioware romance is "normal". As was said here already Morrigan is a shape shifting, manipulative witch, Leliana a former secret agent/then nun/then half-prophet/now nun secret agent. Mass Effect gave us Jack, whom i don't need to comment, Miranda, a complex load genetic prodigy, Liara, who seems normal, except when she unleashes her darker side a threathens to pull people's skin of with her mind and Tali, who is rather normal, except for being an alien with rather strange biology. Ashley is pretty normal though. I'm no expert in older Bioware games, but at least Bastilla of Kotor doesn't seem "normal" to me.
That said: Who wants normal?

[Sarielle]

You have the same issues with the male romances. Varric was the only stable male in the game. He had his issues, true, but you didn't have to play therapist.

/pines

[_Aine_]

Sarielle wrote...

You have the same issues with the male romances. Varric was the only stable male in the game. He had his issues, true, but you didn't have to play therapist.

/pines

lol QFT
I'd have figured creative ways around the height difference for Varric for that, though I would never have guessed it, until I played the game!       A bit prone to falsehoods and exaggeration... but really, a fine, sane choice. 

Modifié par shantisands, 24 mars 2011 - 09:30 .

[Vhalkyrie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And the Antivans have female Crows.

FWIW, I loaded the DAO scene as female Cousland. The conversation goes like:

Warden: I wish I could go to battle with you.
Oriana: In Antiva, a woman in battle would be... unthinkable.
Fergus: Really?  I heard Antivan women were quite dangerous.
Oriana: Only with kindness and poison, my husband.
Ferfus: This from the woman who serves me my tea!

You get the point, though.  Women warriors are more common in Fereldan.  And perhaps Kirkwall.

[fluorine7]

Sarah1281 wrote...

fluorine7 wrote...
I don't think Aveline is normal. She's raised like a boy, take a career that normally suited for man. Married young but lost husband to a tragedy, become gaurd captain of a major city, get involved in all kinds of crazy adventure with Hawk, married again with her employee.... 

Compare to that, I'd say a pirate **** who sleeps around is a lot more normal. 

Marrying young does not make one abnormal. Losing a husband in battle (or because of wounds/infections related to that) is also not abnormal. In fact, those are really really normal things.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'raised like a boy.' And in Ferelden if not the rest of Thedas (and since Aveline was raised in Ferelden that's what counts), women soldiers are nothing unusual even though there are more male soldiers than female soldiers.

Becoming the guard captain of a major city is unusual only in that it can logically happen to a very small percentage of people but I still wouldn't call it abnormal.

I'm not trying to say Aveline is abnormal, she's a character with personality, and some unsual personal experiences. What I'm trying to counter is comments on Avaline being a normal woman, while Isabella and Mirrell are not. Both of them has very special life experiences, and they all have personality you don't see everyday. 

I think people consider Isabella not normal because of her liberal view on sex and personal relationship, while Mirrell is just a nerd girl who, for many people, don't know what she's doing most of the time. While Avaline, being an upstanding citizen, with a government job and a stable family, always taking the moral high ground, is easier to relay to compare to Isabella and Mirrell. 

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

I wish anyone would say "marriage" in this game at least once, and twas be not Hawke's mother. Maybe then I would't be so alienated by the way romances evaluate in Dragon Age world.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 24 mars 2011 - 09:42 .

[Sarielle]

shantisands wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

You have the same issues with the male romances. Varric was the only stable male in the game. He had his issues, true, but you didn't have to play therapist.

/pines

lol QFT
I'd have figured creative ways around the height difference for Varric for that, though I would never have guessed it, until I played the game!       A bit prone to falsehoods and exaggeration... but really, a fine, sane choice. 

I know. I didn't imagine I'd be so taken with him till I played the game, either. I mean, I valued our bromance a ton (even though I played a chick....details details), but damn. He was intelligent, non-judgemental, funny, knew how to have fun, and while he had his issues HE dealt with them himself wihtout angsty angry episodes or blowing **** up. And frankly, he was not that hard on the eyes, either.

Jubilee would have felt kneeling to kiss him an acceptable compromise, I'm sure.

[hoorayforicecream]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

I wish anyone would say "marriage" in this game at least once, and twas be not Hawke's mother. Maybe then I would't be so alienated by the way romances evaluate in Dragon Age world.

Aveline married Donnic.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Aveline married Donnic.

Is there a codex entry or a cutscene?

P.S. Aveline in white dress with a bouqet of white lilies fanart request, right here.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 24 mars 2011 - 10:02 .

[The Minority]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

Aveline married Donnic.

Is there a codex entry or a cutscene?

Aveline talks about it.

And define "normal".

[Taura-Tierno]

When have we ever seen a "normal" romance in a game? What is "normal", for that matter?

The exotic, sexy witch from the swamps, who is a shapeshifting apostate? The innocent-looking bard who's really a tough spy with a dark past, and who also has crazy dreams about the Maker? The promiscuous assassin who'll sleep with everything that moves? The troubled bastard child of a king who's joined some Order dedicated to fighting Evil?

The elven druid/fighter who lost her husband to torturous experiments, and is old enough to be your mother? The wicked drow priestess? The religious fighter noble with a depressing past that catches up with him and has to be dealt with? The Jedi with a secret bond to a Dark Lord?

Those were all more or less interesting romances, depending on taste. Dating the average farm girl with no particularly interesting past or attributes that sets her apart wouldn't be all that fun in a game.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Aveline talks about it.

Hm, seems missed it. I did't really talked with her after "office giggle" scene much.

Sad she is not romancible, then.

[Vhalkyrie]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

I wish anyone would say "marriage" in this game at least once, and twas be not Hawke's mother. Maybe then I would't be so alienated by the way romances evaluate in Dragon Age world.

Well, when I romanced Anders and ran off as fugitives with him, during the final battle he declared that our children and our children's children would be free to love each other without a templar tearing them apart.  That's about as close to a proposal I've seen.  My Warden proposed marriage to Alistair in DAO, but she totally sprung it on him during the Council - lol.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 24 mars 2011 - 10:07 .

[Taura-Tierno]

Aveline, for that matter, is the tough tomboy who becomes a strong, scary fighter, with no social skills whatsoever when it comes to romances. Reminds me of Brianne from A Song of Ice and Fire, for that matter.

Interesting and unique? Definitely. "Normal"? No.

[Vhalkyrie]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Aveline, for that matter, is the tough tomboy who becomes a strong, scary fighter, with no social skills whatsoever when it comes to romances. Reminds me of Brianne from A Song of Ice and Fire, for that matter.

Interesting and unique? Definitely. "Normal"? No.

OMG!  I totally thought of Brianne during the first scene when you meet Avaline!