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[Pwener2313]

Sys_Ben wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Roses are red, the sky is blue, OP is a troll and that theory sucks.

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That Poem Sucks ass

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[Angmir]

Stoko981 wrote...

You know, I was all ready to fire off some sarcastic post about how ridiculous this idea is. But then one thought occured to me; Saren made it out. I mean, it's been literally ages since I've played ME1, I could be misremembering, but how does that scene actually end? I remember him flying around, Shepard taking cover, they exchanged dialogue... I want to say he flew away before Shep actually left the planet, but then, he was only standing on a flying platform, surely that thing couldn't make orbit?

I don't know, I'm probably grasping at straws, and don't get me wrong, I don't really want this theory to be true. It'd be cheesy, unbelievable, and frankly I didn't care a thing about either of the possible Virmire survivors, so I DEFINITELY don't care about the one I nuked. But if Saren escaped, which obviously he did, then it's theoretically possible the other VS did too? Captured by Geth, delivered to Sovereign.... It's not impossible. It'd be ridiculously shoddy writing, and even if it wasn't, they still wouldn't do it because the PS3 guys wouldn't really have a clue who the character was when the big dramatic reveal happened. But it's not impossible.

These were more or less my thoughts on the matter.
I palyed ME1 loong time ago and I am unsure if I remember corectly just how exacly Nuke went of. Did we see Kaidan\\Ashley just a second beorfe explosion ?? I suppose not and there is just a very small amout of time for saren to grab VDecesed body nad take of the planet seconds before it blows. HE might even be dead and then  rebuild with some Reaper technology making him  sencient and inteligent Husk, avatar or whatever.

I dont get is why so many peaple are negative towards that idea - to long time on the forum i guess.
I do realise that this theory is a bit strained, still half of the game is. I confes I didnt analised this thouroughtly by replaying Virmire cutscenes endlesly, and I migh be wrong simply becouse i remember events poorly, still that was my theory and I think it isnt bad.

It figures the comunity is getting more grumpy and fussy, ever since DA2 realese.

[Silmane]

I don't even play DAO or DA2 and I think this idea is way out there. It's further out there than the Reapers. You are attached to the person who died on Virmire and want them back, simple as that.

There is a scene of them sitting by the nuke, shooting at Geth, just before it explodes. They were also holding their side in pain. They weren't going very far.

[Angmir]

I alvays picked to rescue teammate by the nuke thats how I developed that theory that VD isnt neceserly dead. We didnt see him in that AA tower and  there was hell a lot of time for Saren to pick him up from there. We have no clue of Kaidan\\Ashley's last moments, so enything may happen




It gets trickier with second option as we rescue Squadmember in the AA tower - as there is a scene showing the other fightling almost till the nuke blows off. I admit today is the first time  I saw this cutscene. Maybe if I had seen this before i wouldnt develop this idea, still this doesnt compleatly exclude the posibility of  it beeing true.



You have to note that this cutscene isnt all realtime - it skips a lot of time when normandy flyies off, so there is at least couple extra seconds between explosion and last time we see Kaidan\\Ashley firing at Geth. Imosible is nothing.

And again - I do not belive this theory of mine would come true, I am not a fan of that idea eighter, I just wanted to point that there is a possibility for developers to exploit this tiny plot hole into astonishing plot twist.

I thought this would be amusing subject to some fun speculations no need to go hard on it.

CYA

[JayhartRIC]

By "astonishing" you mean "terrible," right?

[Bluko]

*Takes a deep breath*

"They're dead Jim."

"Well what about Saren, maybe he'll come back as the villain then?"



"No Jim... just no."

Modifié par Bluko, 25 mars 2011 - 01:25 .

[thatguy212]

If for some idiotic reason they were to bring back the person that died on virmire then it they should be husked or something and when you fight them they will blame you for their death during the fight, also zero chance of saving them

[Captain_Obvious_au]

I actually like the idea, I've been thinking the Virmire 'deceased' would make a great nemesis for Shepard - be all bitter and twisted about being left behind etc.

[Coach]

Honestly? I've always felt like there was a good chance they would be back, as well. Ever since my first play through. No body? Then it's possible.

It opens up for the possibility of a new nemesis, as well. One with a personal connection to the PC. One whom the PC is partially responsible for abandoning. Some of the great villains of our time are often created by their heroic enemies.

I'm always skeptical when media doesn't let us actually "see" someone die. Look to science fiction (or any other genre for that matter)... and you'll see what I mean. Without a death scene, there is no real finality. And with a good writer, there is always a rational method to escape an impossible situation. During the time in which it took to "save" the VS... you could have a squad member taken captive.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who recognizes this as a possibility.

[Coach]

mrsph wrote...

There is no body because they were killed by a huge ass explosion. With literally no escape. I mean, Ashley was right on top of that damn bomb. Did she just magic it all away? 

See, but to me, that just makes it even more perfect the setting. It explains why Shepard saw no reason to go back.

The point is, it's still a possibility. I don't believe in the premise of "literally no escape" so I can't comment to that. Characters have come back from the grave (so to speak) in television shows, films, novels, etc after being thought to be dead (in some cases with even more substatial evidence than ME provided). There's always a way. A good writer can come up with a reasonable explanation for just about any situation so long as it doesn't contradict what is established as factual (and again, we saw no actual scene with our own eyes to prove one way or the other as to what happened). But I'll leave that to their field of expertise. I'm not saying Bioware will necessarily go this route... but I think it's fair to suggest it is a possibility.

All I know for sure is... when the next trailer comes out if there is some mysterious bad guy in a suit of armor wearing a helmet? Well... yeah.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Roses are red, the sky is blue, OP is a troll and that theory sucks.

I made poetry!

Hate to break it to ya... but

if it doesn't rhyme... it sucks. No exceptions.

[Quole]

Return of the VD? Thats only slightly worse than a return of the VS.

[jlb524]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Roses are red, the sky is blue, OP is a troll and that theory sucks.

I made poetry!

Hate to break it to ya... but

if it doesn't rhyme... it sucks. No exceptions.

Oh, buuuurn.

[JamieCOTC]

Ash will come back as the Right Hand of the Divine and Kaidan will come back as a sexaholic elf.

[adneate]

The character you got nuked comes back in the end as the bad guy?

What a twist!

I bet we'll also find out the The Illusive Man was just broccoli the whole time!

[Coach]

mrsph wrote...

A good writer doesn't bring dead characters back willy nilly in the first place. It ruins the point of the death, and makes you wonder why in the hell they just don't bring back every character that dies.

Death should never be cheap.

I don't really think the suggestion would cheapen anything nor bring back people "willy nilly," as you say. I guess we're just viewing it from very different eyes, which is fine of course. I get what you're saying, even if I don't agree with you.

I've seen fiction do this type of thing with very fine results in the past, and anytime you don't "see" a death on camera (so to speak) the possibility is always out there and sometimes fun to think about. I do agree, however, that if it's done poorly it would be an epic fail of tremendous proportions.

But if something like that were done and done right? It would be amazing to see unfold (in my opinion, obviously).

We can just agree to disagree about it since it's all speculation right now anyway. Only time will tell, right?

[Coach]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Kaidan will come back as a sexaholic elf.

I think I kinda like that suggestion.

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Ash will come back as the Right Hand of the Divine and Kaidan will come back as a sexaholic elf.

There could be worse fates....though Kaidan gets the better deal there, IMO.

[Labrev]

Stoko981 wrote...

You know, I was all ready to fire off some sarcastic post about how ridiculous this idea is. But then one thought occured to me; Saren made it out. I mean, it's been literally ages since I've played ME1, I could be misremembering, but how does that scene actually end? I remember him flying around, Shepard taking cover, they exchanged dialogue... I want to say he flew away before Shep actually left the planet, but then, he was only standing on a flying platform, surely that thing couldn't make orbit?

I don't know, I'm probably grasping at straws, and don't get me wrong, I don't really want this theory to be true. It'd be cheesy, unbelievable, and frankly I didn't care a thing about either of the possible Virmire survivors, so I DEFINITELY don't care about the one I nuked. But if Saren escaped, which obviously he did, then it's theoretically possible the other VS did too? Captured by Geth, delivered to Sovereign.... It's not impossible. It'd be ridiculously shoddy writing, and even if it wasn't, they still wouldn't do it because the PS3 guys wouldn't really have a clue who the character was when the big dramatic reveal happened. But it's not impossible.

The platform got him back on to Soverign, and they got the hell out.

[Liec]

Some characters came back from the dead in DA2, just sayin'

[Arcturus Shepard]

 

[TheMonsterMash]

Yeah, that could happen.

Or maybe they're DEAD FROM BEING NUKED?

Seems more plausible.